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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 15:48:20 GMT
Sure as yer not comparing vile hatred of people based on 'race', with legitimate resistance to foreign occupation and oppression, are you? No, I'm comparing religious/sectarian bigotry to racism. On entirely reasonable grounds. I hear ya... Tell the England fans who will be singing anti-Catholic, anti-Irish, anti-IRA songs and chants later today ☹️
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Post by Zos on Mar 22, 2019 16:02:52 GMT
Why not read Carl's link rather than going for the usual support the racist stance. An FA spokesperson said: "The case against Sophie Jones was heard by an Independent Regulatory Commission comprising two independent lawyers and a former football player and manager. "The written reasons in the case will be published in due course, which will provide a detailed account of the evidence given and the findings of the Commission." How can it be a stance of support the racist when we don't know all the facts? My guess with this type of panel it will be a case of 'he said she said' and they will just take the word of one over the other. The group of people involved in the decision will in my opinion be heavily swayed by the FA who will want the brand protected and not want to be seen as throwing a black person under the bus thus being seem publicly as siding or being complicit in racism. They made up their minds before they even heard what the two players gave their side of things. It's a support the racist stance because you ignore the fact that it was correctly held with independent lawyers etc. You say they have made their mind up already purely because you are supporting the racist and don't like the outcome. Do you deny the result of every single Court case because "they've made their minds up already"? Of course not. A quick glance at your history shows a bit of a hobbyhorse about issues of race so maybe you are letting your emotions and prejudices take precedence over what was a drawn out properly staged complaints procedure overseen by legal professionals versus your "feeling" that they had already made up their mind based on what exactly?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 16:06:19 GMT
I hear ya... Tell the England fans who will be singing anti-Catholic, anti-Irish, anti-IRA songs and chants later today ☹️ I'd tell them if they were posting here. To be clear, I don't approve of them either, but they're not posting on this board. You are. I read your drama queen thread re: the Politics board a few days ago, btw. I didn't feel like putting the boot in then, as I also endeavour to be a decent human being, and you were clearly upset. But now I feel obliged to say that you really ought to look at the similarities between the bile posted by loony far right Yanks and Israelis on that board and your own postings on this board, and reflect on them. You see now, you call it a drama queen thread... I thought it was a genuine non-drama queen thread... That is a tad demeaning don't you think? I hear what you are saying... However, I strongly resent you likening me to far right US and Israeli racists. This is the prejudice Catholics actually face in England... This happens every year where my daughter lived since age 11. They burn crosses and hate on Catholics in the name of England FFS.
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Post by Zos on Mar 22, 2019 16:17:18 GMT
I hear ya... Tell the England fans who will be singing anti-Catholic, anti-Irish, anti-IRA songs and chants later today ☹️ I'd tell them if they were posting here. To be clear, I don't approve of them either, but they're not posting on this board. You are. I read your drama queen thread re: the Politics board a few days ago, btw. I didn't feel like putting the boot in then, as I also endeavour to be a decent human being, and you were clearly upset. But now I feel obliged to say that you really ought to look at the similarities between the bile posted by loony far right Yanks and Israelis on that board and your own postings on this board, and reflect on them. Probably shouldn't stick my oar in here, but what the hell. Isn't it all down to "one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist"? I loathe the IRA (the use of the word "army" is offensive as well as they are too cowardly to wear a uniform and would rather bomb and kill innocent targets) but as with any conflict like the "troubles" (the worst ever name to depict brutal murder, surely) there will be strong opinions on both sides and expecting people to have sensibly thought out opinions, especially if brought up in hotbeds of bias and resentment is perhaps illogical. We all, to one degree or another let ourselves be swayed by political leaning or upbringing when deciding what becomes our own stance on violent conflict and we no doubt all display illogical and unbalanced opinions if at times our better selves are overtaken by what is often ingrained indoctrination over many years. Anyway, had enough of all that bollocks back in the 70's.
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Post by bluerisk on Mar 22, 2019 17:10:09 GMT
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 22, 2019 18:01:50 GMT
I posted this on the Politics board. It was instigated by two rapper turds on Youtube.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 18:08:59 GMT
I posted this on the Politics board. It was instigated by two rapper turds on Youtube. What of it? I can see that in any town or city on a Friday or Saturday. Please tell me you are not trying to make a racist point Carl 🤨 They are thugged up, wearing the same 'uniforms' as white thugs, Stone Island, etc.
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Post by staggerstag on Mar 22, 2019 18:12:47 GMT
LaFong, what sort of thing is happening here? YouTube comments all in German and his link is too. I can't find your thread, even on your profile. Do you have a link because I don't know what is happening in the video. Carl LaFong
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 22, 2019 18:15:48 GMT
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Post by staggerstag on Mar 22, 2019 18:26:54 GMT
Thanks. I thought it might be a bit more significant than that. So all that because of 2 rivals on YouTube? Name of god, I thought 'hits' or 'likes' or some other sh*t system determined who was more popular on the site. Now it's about having a mass punch-up in a public square?
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Mar 23, 2019 1:39:13 GMT
How can it be a stance of support the racist when we don't know all the facts? My guess with this type of panel it will be a case of 'he said she said' and they will just take the word of one over the other. The group of people involved in the decision will in my opinion be heavily swayed by the FA who will want the brand protected and not want to be seen as throwing a black person under the bus thus being seem publicly as siding or being complicit in racism. They made up their minds before they even heard what the two players gave their side of things. It's a support the racist stance because you ignore the fact that it was correctly held with independent lawyers etc. You say they have made their mind up already purely because you are supporting the racist and don't like the outcome. Do you deny the result of every single Court case because "they've made their minds up already"? Of course not. A quick glance at your history shows a bit of a hobbyhorse about issues of race so maybe you are letting your emotions and prejudices take precedence over what was a drawn out properly staged complaints procedure overseen by legal professionals versus your "feeling" that they had already made up their mind based on what exactly? Correctly held? I don't know about that seeing as none of us know anything really. I still don't see how I'm supporting a racist as again we still don't know anything. I will wait and see what the evidence was that convicted the accused. I'm still betting it's going to be nothing more than believing one person over another and no real hard evidence. That is the problem with these kangaroo courts is that no real evidence is needed to convict and basically in this instance my guess it's guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. I'll stand by the verdict if evidence is shown of these alleged monkey noises actually happened and the motivation behind it all was racism. Can I be more fair than that?
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