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Post by movieliker on Mar 28, 2019 15:27:46 GMT
A half hour !! I think you are exaggerating a little there, do you think ??
Most sports fans don't mind a good or great game going on longer. If it means getting a fair result. If a booth review takes 5 minutes max --- so what ?? Is your life so jam packed with important things to do, you cannot spend 5 more minutes watching a good football game ?? Don't be ridiculous. There is no point in playing any sport if the referees are going to cheat. Most fans want game action, not the Bud Knight or Denis Leary selling trucks for another 15 minutes as the broadcast comes back and we watch the refs watching the same replay we've already seen 150 times. If you think the refs cheated, what's going to stop the replay ref from cheating? I just think they f-cked up. The commercial time is decided before the game starts by contract. The NFL purposely jams as many commercials into the first half of every game so they don't have to play as many commercials in the second half. A challenge in the last 2 minutes of a football game won't be filled with commercials. It will be filled with replays, commentary and analysis. Field refs talk with New York during booth reviews and replay challenges. New York called Sean Payton immediately following the conference championship and admitted the call was wrong. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Mar 28, 2019 15:27:55 GMT
I don't disagree, I just hate over-legislation of the game. This rule is too nebulous and is going to lead to more controversy than it seeks to avoid. Look at the 'definition of a catch' and how much of a debacle that was. Now the booth is going to automatically review pass plays in the final two minutes of the game? That won't lead to any conspiracy theories the first time it benefits the Patriots. There's no question the Saints probably win that game if the right call is made. But regardless they still had every opportunity to win and blew it. If they stop the Rams or score a TD in OT, we aren't having this conversation right now. Instead, the rest of the league is paying the price. ..And I don't entirely disagree, but I just think the absolute of 'they lost so they deserved to lose' isn't always accurate. They essentially won in one scenario, and then lost when a different one was presented. Instead of saying the Rams were the better team that day you could just as accurately say that the Saints were the better team until the bad call. As far as the actual rule issue, I don't entirely know how to feel. I always thought that everything should be reviewable, provided the coaches still only get a reasonable number of challenges and the standard of proof is still 'conclusive visual evidence.' This way coaches would only challenge if it was a painfully infraction that was crucial to the play. Something like a run of the mill PI or holding call would basically never challenged, and since nobody knows what the fuck roughing the passer is anymore, that would also likely never be challenged. I also always felt that coaches should keep getting challenges as long as they keep winning them. Since it's pretty rare that a coach is ever awarded a 3rd challenge it would hardly make a difference... but that's kind of a different issue. I think the biggest problems come from the automatic review. Whether in the last 2 mins or on 'special plays' like scoring plays and turnovers. Either automatically review all egregious bad calls from a replay official at a distance, or leave it all to the coaches and let them have a little bit more leeway. Maybe that would fix the annoyance of this a bit.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 28, 2019 15:34:50 GMT
I don't disagree, I just hate over-legislation of the game. This rule is too nebulous and is going to lead to more controversy than it seeks to avoid. Look at the 'definition of a catch' and how much of a debacle that was. Now the booth is going to automatically review pass plays in the final two minutes of the game? That won't lead to any conspiracy theories the first time it benefits the Patriots. There's no question the Saints probably win that game if the right call is made. But regardless they still had every opportunity to win and blew it. If they stop the Rams or score a TD in OT, we aren't having this conversation right now. Instead, the rest of the league is paying the price. ..And I don't entirely disagree, but I just think the absolute of 'they lost so they deserved to lose' isn't always accurate. They essentially won in one scenario, and then lost when a different one was presented. Instead of saying the Rams were the better team that day you could just as accurately say that the Saints were the better team until the bad call. As far as the actual rule issue, I don't entirely know how to feel. I always thought that everything should be reviewable, provided the coaches still only get a reasonable number of challenges and the standard of proof is still 'conclusive visual evidence.' This way coaches would only challenge if it was a painfully infraction that was crucial to the play. Something like a run of the mill PI or holding call would basically never challenged, and since nobody knows what the fuck roughing the passer is anymore, that would also likely never be challenged. I also always felt that coaches should keep getting challenges as long as they keep winning them. Since it's pretty rare that a coach is ever awarded a 3rd challenge it would hardly make a difference... but that's kind of a different issue. I think the biggest problems come from the automatic review. Whether in the last 2 mins or on 'special plays' like scoring plays and turnovers. Either automatically review all egregious bad calls from a replay official at a distance, or leave it all to the coaches and let them have a little bit more leeway. Maybe that would fix the annoyance of this a bit. I'm fine with a coach being able to use a challenge on it, I hate the booth review concept because there's so much potential to drag the game out and still get the call wrong. The call in question was obvious, not all of them will be.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 28, 2019 15:36:07 GMT
Most fans want game action, not the Bud Knight or Denis Leary selling trucks for another 15 minutes as the broadcast comes back and we watch the refs watching the same replay we've already seen 150 times. If you think the refs cheated, what's going to stop the replay ref from cheating? I just think they f-cked up. The commercial time is decided before the game starts by contract. The NFL purposely jams as many commercials into the first half of every game so they don't have to play as many commercials in the second half. A challenge in the last 2 minutes of a football game won't be filled with commercials. It will be filled with replays, commentary and analysis.Field refs talk with New York during booth reviews and replay challenges. New York called Sean Payton immediately following the conference championship and admitted the call was wrong. The 150 replays I already mentioned. Can't wait. That's what I tune in for every Sunday.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 28, 2019 15:39:23 GMT
The commercial time is decided before the game starts by contract. The NFL purposely jams as many commercials into the first half of every game so they don't have to play as many commercials in the second half. A challenge in the last 2 minutes of a football game won't be filled with commercials. It will be filled with replays, commentary and analysis.Field refs talk with New York during booth reviews and replay challenges. New York called Sean Payton immediately following the conference championship and admitted the call was wrong. The 150 replays I already mentioned. Can't wait. That's what I tune in for every Sunday. Small price to pay for trying to be fair. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 28, 2019 15:45:10 GMT
The 150 replays I already mentioned. Can't wait. That's what I tune in for every Sunday. Small price to pay for trying to be fair. Nothing suggests it'll be fair. If you honestly think the refs cheated your team, I don't know why you think the replay ref couldn't do the same thing. Maybe the field refs get it right and the replay ref gets it wrong. This call was clear as day but they aren't always going to be that way. Just wait for the first time the Saints get screwed by a bad automatic replay review under two minutes, you'll be here bitching about the refs cheating your team all over again.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 28, 2019 16:06:15 GMT
Small price to pay for trying to be fair. Nothing suggests it'll be fair. If you honestly think the refs cheated your team, I don't know why you think the replay ref couldn't do the same thing. Maybe the field refs get it right and the replay ref gets it wrong. This call was clear as day but they aren't always going to be that way. Just wait for the first time the Saints get screwed by a bad automatic replay review under two minutes, you'll be here bitching about the refs cheating your team all over again. New York immediately called Sean Payton after the championship and admitted it was a bad call. The refs consult with New York during replay reviews. Nothing guarantees fairness. But they have to try something. (By the way, we watched that game against the Panthers. We all said Kuechly tackled the Patriot tight end (Gronkowski?) in the end zone before the ball got there.) |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 28, 2019 16:16:58 GMT
Nothing suggests it'll be fair. If you honestly think the refs cheated your team, I don't know why you think the replay ref couldn't do the same thing. Maybe the field refs get it right and the replay ref gets it wrong. This call was clear as day but they aren't always going to be that way. Just wait for the first time the Saints get screwed by a bad automatic replay review under two minutes, you'll be here bitching about the refs cheating your team all over again. New York immediately called Sean Payton after the championship and admitted it was a bad call. The refs consult with New York during replay reviews. Nothing guarantees fairness. But they have to try something. (By the way, we watched that game against the Panthers. We all said Kuechly tackled the Patriot tight end (Gronkowski?) in the end zone before the ball got there.) At the end of the day I'm all for fairness and getting things right, I just worry that this opens a Pandora's box of new ways to screw up officiating. We'll just have to see how it goes this year.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 28, 2019 16:43:56 GMT
New York immediately called Sean Payton after the championship and admitted it was a bad call. The refs consult with New York during replay reviews. Nothing guarantees fairness. But they have to try something. (By the way, we watched that game against the Panthers. We all said Kuechly tackled the Patriot tight end (Gronkowski?) in the end zone before the ball got there.) At the end of the day I'm all for fairness and getting things right, I just worry that this opens a Pandora's box of new ways to screw up officiating. We'll just have to see how it goes this year. If it doesn't work, they will try something else. |
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