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Post by politicidal on Apr 5, 2017 23:36:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 1:01:42 GMT
 Oh, look, more whiners who think their online article will accomplish anything. |
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Post by brownstones on Apr 6, 2017 1:10:05 GMT
............................that.........is a p.o.s. list. (except for number 6)
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 6, 2017 2:51:47 GMT
and why they must die in 2017. I actually don't mind #2 and #3 that much. 3) Everyone survives Yeah I kind of want to keep seeing the characters, so I have no idea why people think somebody has to die every film. Or at all for that matter. |
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 6, 2017 23:05:15 GMT
I'm perfectly fine with #1-3. The heroes vs. heroes things is very new so I don't even know why it's on that list. It is also very realistic.
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Post by flasuss on Apr 7, 2017 0:55:06 GMT
#1 is a problem in the comics, sure, but not really in the movies, not yet, anyway.
#8 isn't really a superhero movie thing only.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 11:18:38 GMT
*cough*Batman v Superman*cough*
Fair point there, Star Trek: Into Darkness did it, the Terminator movies did it, The Twin Towers did it, TFA did it, blah blah blah.
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Post by Nightman on Apr 9, 2017 21:04:32 GMT
I like all of those trends. Worst list ever.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 9, 2017 22:59:54 GMT
*cough*Batman v Superman*cough* Fair point there, Star Trek: Into Darkness did it, the Terminator movies did it, The Twin Towers did it, TFA did it, blah blah blah. Hero vs hero wasn't the problem for BvS. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 23:55:17 GMT
Hero vs. Hero most certainly WAS the problem with BvS, because it's WAY too early for that in the DCEU!
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Post by azzajones on Apr 10, 2017 7:15:27 GMT
Nice Logan spoiler in that article.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 9:00:11 GMT
Hero vs. Hero most certainly WAS the problem with BvS, because it's WAY too early for that in the DCEU! At least MCU built up to civil war, and will build up to infinity war, where as DCEU just decided to release its big hitter as a 'sequel' to its opening film, and are releasing its second big hitter in November. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 17:17:40 GMT
Hero vs. Hero most certainly WAS the problem with BvS, because it's WAY too early for that in the DCEU! At least MCU built up to civil war, and will build up to infinity war, where as DCEU just decided to release its big hitter as a 'sequel' to its opening film, and are releasing its second big hitter in November. BvS could probably have worked if, IF, the Wonder Woman and Aquaman movies came out in 2014-15, and had been some decent mayhem resulting from that. That would at least give Bruce the excuse of seeing a pattern emerging. It's still faulty logic, but if BvS was at least the fourth movie in the franchise, Bruce would have at least been able to point to the destruction and loss of life resulting from multiple superhero vs. supervillain confrontations. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 10, 2017 18:03:37 GMT
Hero vs. Hero most certainly WAS the problem with BvS, because it's WAY too early for that in the DCEU! Not really. Because they don't know each other. A lot of the times they are investigating each other before they learn that they aren't the enemy. Enemies and Allies is pretty much the same story as BvS with nobody trusting Batman and Superman comes to take him in. Lex Luthor is being Lex and working with another government. The book actually worked. Then you have Justice League War (my go to recent movie). It was both BvS and Justice League in one movie. The Batman v Superman portion of that movie worked. BvS on the other hand tried to put in way more than was neccessary. BvS tried to be a sequel to Man of Steel, lead in to Justice League and introduction to a bunch of DC characters. BvS should have been 2 movies MoS2 and then BvS. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 20:11:49 GMT
Hero vs. Hero most certainly WAS the problem with BvS, because it's WAY too early for that in the DCEU! Not really. Because they don't know each other. A lot of the times they are investigating each other before they learn that they aren't the enemy. Enemies and Allies is pretty much the same story as BvS with nobody trusting Batman and Superman comes to take him in. Lex Luthor is being Lex and working with another government. The book actually worked. Then you have Justice League War (my go to recent movie). It was both BvS and Justice League in one movie. The Batman v Superman portion of that movie worked. BvS on the other hand tried to put in way more than was neccessary. BvS tried to be a sequel to Man of Steel, lead in to Justice League and introduction to a bunch of DC characters. BvS should have been 2 movies MoS2 and then BvS. Except Batman doesn't do any investigating. He just assumes the worst and tries to murder an innocent man in the most cruel way possible only to be stopped by the most banal thing ever put to screen. The film doesn't work, because just two films in is too early for Hero vs. Hero. Hell, Batman's not even a hero. He's just a psychotic murderer. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 10, 2017 21:04:46 GMT
Not really. Because they don't know each other. A lot of the times they are investigating each other before they learn that they aren't the enemy. Enemies and Allies is pretty much the same story as BvS with nobody trusting Batman and Superman comes to take him in. Lex Luthor is being Lex and working with another government. The book actually worked. Then you have Justice League War (my go to recent movie). It was both BvS and Justice League in one movie. The Batman v Superman portion of that movie worked. BvS on the other hand tried to put in way more than was neccessary. BvS tried to be a sequel to Man of Steel, lead in to Justice League and introduction to a bunch of DC characters. BvS should have been 2 movies MoS2 and then BvS. Except Batman doesn't do any investigating. He just assumes the worst and tries to murder an innocent man in the most cruel way possible only to be stopped by the most banal thing ever put to screen. The film doesn't work, because just two films in is too early for Hero vs. Hero. Hell, Batman's not even a hero. He's just a psychotic murderer. But again, it's not the hero vs hero. It's the story itself. Like I said, with other Superman meets Batman stories, where they start off against each other (most of them), they come out as good. This is suppose to be a first meeting story. I think what you're saying is more of a "1 hero turns and the other has to take him down" (like Civil War). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 22:43:36 GMT
Except Batman doesn't do any investigating. He just assumes the worst and tries to murder an innocent man in the most cruel way possible only to be stopped by the most banal thing ever put to screen. The film doesn't work, because just two films in is too early for Hero vs. Hero. Hell, Batman's not even a hero. He's just a psychotic murderer. But again, it's not the hero vs hero. It's the story itself. Like I said, with other Superman meets Batman stories, where they start off against each other (most of them), they come out as good. This is suppose to be a first meeting story. I think what you're saying is more of a "1 hero turns and the other has to take him down" (like Civil War). The story IS Hero vs. Hero, it's even in the title! A proper first meeting story would not have Batman torturing Superman with a Kryptnite spear right before trying to murder him. A proper first meeting story would have just kept it at initial distrust but eventually becoming friends. BvS took it way, way, way, WAY too far for this early in the franchise and you are not going to convince me otherwise. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 10, 2017 23:13:42 GMT
But again, it's not the hero vs hero. It's the story itself. Like I said, with other Superman meets Batman stories, where they start off against each other (most of them), they come out as good. This is suppose to be a first meeting story. I think what you're saying is more of a "1 hero turns and the other has to take him down" (like Civil War). The story IS Hero vs. Hero, it's even in the title! A proper first meeting story would not have Batman torturing Superman with a Kryptnite spear right before trying to murder him. A proper first meeting story would have just kept it at initial distrust but eventually becoming friends. BvS took it way, way, way, WAY too far for this early in the franchise and you are not going to convince me otherwise. Again you aren't getting what I'm saying. They could have gotten a better writer/director and the "story" could have been better. The story being hero vs hero wasn't what made it bad. It was the storytellers. The kryptonite spear is not something that has to be in a hero vs hero story so that has nothing to do with hero vs hero. But it has all to do with the storytellers. And them having an initial distrust still makes it a hero vs hero story. And yes the movie should have been reversed. They should have had them confront each other in a big fight near the beginning of the movie and then had the story have them slowly trust each other throughout. I'd rather watch the World's Finest episodes of Superman the animated series or the one from The Batman than this movie again. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 2:28:45 GMT
No, the Hero vs. Hero element WAS a part of what made it bad, because two movies in is too soon for that crap. It takes more than initial distrust for it to be Hero vs. Hero, and Hero vs. Hero should not have been the point of the movie. The title should have been Batman and Superman, not vs. The focus should have been them coming to be friends, and there should have been no actual fight between them.
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