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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 28, 2019 8:14:37 GMT
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 28, 2019 15:32:01 GMT
I am not quite sure that her majesty is a keen traveler.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Mar 28, 2019 16:48:13 GMT
I am not quite sure that her majesty is a keen traveler. This might change when the wine runs out in King's Landing…
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Post by Marendil on Apr 2, 2019 0:46:22 GMT
I am not quite sure that her majesty is a keen traveler. This might change when the wine runs out in King's Landing… Have you seen this map?
It's fun to play with; you can chart character's journeys throughout the books. Cersei as you can see has done all her traveling by the third episode or so in show terms. I saw you recently refer to the curious contention that Littlefinger had a teleporter (in the show) which was a common complaint on the old IMDB boards but now as like then I fail to see the validity of it. In the show he gets down to Storms End and then up to Harrenhall in the second season but neither are that far from King's Landing and he had a ship.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 2, 2019 7:34:40 GMT
This might change when the wine runs out in King's Landing… Have you seen this map?
It's fun to play with; you can chart character's journeys throughout the books. Cersei as you can see has done all her traveling by the third episode or so in show terms. I saw you recently refer to the curious contention that Littlefinger had a teleporter (in the show) which was a common complaint on the old IMDB boards but now as like then I fail to see the validity of it. In the show he gets down to Storms End and then up to Harrenhall in the second season but neither are that far from King's Landing and he had a ship.
Littlefinger teleported from Winterfell to King's Landing between S5E04 and S5E06, which is the supposedly short time between the arrest of Loras and the inquest, covering a much larger distance than Lady Olenna coming from Highgarden (yes, I know she stopped for the smell). The machine was stolen there and sold in Dorne, which explains why it took him until S6E04 to reappear in the Vale while Sand Snakes could blink in and out of Trystane's ship. There seems to have been a second one in the Vale, which was used to travel to Moles Town in S6E05 then back to wherever the Knights of the Vale had got in the meantime. No one quite knows what Varys used to travel between Meereen and Dorne. Maybe there are two of him? That would be a twist.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 2, 2019 7:51:52 GMT
Have you seen this map? It's fun to play with; you can chart character's journeys throughout the books. Cersei as you can see has done all her traveling by the third episode or so in show terms. I saw you recently refer to the curious contention that Littlefinger had a teleporter (in the show) which was a common complaint on the old IMDB boards but now as like then I fail to see the validity of it. In the show he gets down to Storms End and then up to Harrenhall in the second season but neither are that far from King's Landing and he had a ship.
Littlefinger teleported from Winterfell to King's Landing between S5E04 and S5E06, which is the supposedly short time between the arrest of Loras and the inquest, covering a much larger distance than Lady Olenna coming from Highgarden (yes, I know she stopped for the smell). The machine was stolen there and sold in Dorne, which explains why it took him until S6E04 to reappear in the Vale while Sand Snakes could blink in and out of Trystane's ship. There seems to have been a second one in the Vale, which was used to travel to Moles Town in S6E05 then back to wherever the Knight of the Vale had got in the meantime. No one quite knows what Varys used to travel between Meereen and Dorne. Maybe there are two of him? That would be a twist. It took only two episodes for the entirety of the King's party to get from Winterfell to King's Landing at the beginning of the series. The Sand Snakes could have gotten on a faster ship, so could have Varys for that matter. Landlubbers might not realize not only are ships faster than horses (even in those times) they are generally underway 24/7 when at sea. Trade in the Roman Empire was dominated by sea travel for this very reason.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 2, 2019 8:25:25 GMT
Littlefinger teleported from Winterfell to King's Landing between S5E04 and S5E06, which is the supposedly short time between the arrest of Loras and the inquest, covering a much larger distance than Lady Olenna coming from Highgarden (yes, I know she stopped for the smell). The machine was stolen there and sold in Dorne, which explains why it took him until S6E04 to reappear in the Vale while Sand Snakes could blink in and out of Trystane's ship. There seems to have been a second one in the Vale, which was used to travel to Moles Town in S6E05 then back to wherever the Knight of the Vale had got in the meantime. No one quite knows what Varys used to travel between Meereen and Dorne. Maybe there are two of him? That would be a twist. It took only two episodes for the entirety of the King's party to get from Winterfell to King's Landing at the beginning of the series. The Sand Snakes could have gotten on a faster ship, so could have Varys for that matter. Landlubbers might not realize not only are ships faster than horses (even in those times) they are generally underway 24/7 when at sea. Trade in the Roman Empire was dominated by sea travel for this very reason. You cannot conciliate the long travel times between Winterfell, King's Landing, Moles Town and back with the political calendar of King's Landing. Early episodes took care to imply the passing of time: the wolves were growing, Daenerys was learning the language and getting pregnant and only punctual events were happening in the capital. From S4 on, everything in King's Landing happens within a few weeks (the book timeline yields 4 weeks for the whole of S4) as events are direct, fast consequences of each other. The matching of the mere procedural chain of events there to the much broader pace of people travelling outside (including Daenerys to Vaes Dothrak and back with all the Dothraki, ending the war and setting sail) is pure convenience.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 2, 2019 8:46:43 GMT
It took only two episodes for the entirety of the King's party to get from Winterfell to King's Landing at the beginning of the series. The Sand Snakes could have gotten on a faster ship, so could have Varys for that matter. Landlubbers might not realize not only are ships faster than horses (even in those times) they are generally underway 24/7 when at sea. Trade in the Roman Empire was dominated by sea travel for this very reason. You cannot conciliate the long travel times between Winterfell, King's Landing, Moles Town and back with the political calendar of King's Landing. Early episodes took care to imply the passing of time: the wolves were growing, Daenerys was learning the language and getting pregnant and only punctual events were happening in the capital. From S4 on, everything in King's Landing happens within a few weeks (the book timeline yields 4 weeks for the whole of S4) as events are direct, fast consequences of each other. The matching of the mere procedural chain of events there to the much broader pace of people travelling outside (including Daenerys to Vaes Dothrak and back with all the Dothraki, ending the war and setting sail) is pure convenience. Fair point.
They kinda forgot just how far it is from Winterfell to the Wall in latter seasons and boy did Jaime's army cruise down the Rose Road (and for that matter the Ocean Road) in season seven!
That reminds me, you missed one great little comic moment by not watching S7: the expression on Randyl Tarly's face when Jaime temporized regarding his suggestion they flog stragglers. That was one great actor in all his scenes.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 2, 2019 9:43:22 GMT
That reminds me, you missed one great little comic moment by not watching S7: the expression on Randyl Tarly's face when Jaime temporized regarding his suggestion they flog stragglers. That was one great actor in all his scenes. I do not doubt the quality of the acting. The writing is in question. Earlier seasons made it worth worrying what was about to happen because logic was respected but now the authors just do whatever they want. It is still worth guessing at but nowhere near as rewarding an exercise because details no longer matter and characters have become caricatures. Randyl Tarly was one in S6. Daenerys and Arya have become that too.
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