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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 30, 2019 21:21:45 GMT
Could this explain why she does not have very strong characterization? Brie Larson did say that the movie was made for women and not anybody else.
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Post by hobowar on Mar 30, 2019 23:04:27 GMT
She has just as much personality and character as anyone else in the mcu in my opinion.
No she didn't, but even if she did, it would be completely irrelevant since she didn't make the movie.
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Post by merh on Mar 30, 2019 23:07:25 GMT
Could this explain why she does not have very strong characterization? Brie Larson did say that the movie was made for women and not anybody else. No. Go watch Robocop Another character we saw transformed against his will into an alleged blank slate warrior, yet managed to recover his memories.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 1, 2019 19:40:31 GMT
Could this explain why she does not have very strong characterization? Brie Larson did say that the movie was made for women and not anybody else. She never said that. Why are you telling lies?
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Post by blockbusted on May 28, 2019 1:52:55 GMT
No. Just no.
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Post by Vassaggo on May 28, 2019 3:04:43 GMT
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.
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Post by thenewnexus on May 28, 2019 3:34:14 GMT
B--- Larson's bad acting doesn't help capt marvel
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Post by Skaathar on May 28, 2019 4:23:57 GMT
I don't think Bela is a good comparison. Bella is a wish-fulfillment character in a sense that women (or teen girls to be precise) could imagine their selves in her shoes and imagine having all the best things in life magically happen to them.
Captain Marvel is created more like an avatar for female empowerment (same way Superman felt like an avatar for male power fulfilment). Not so much someone who's shoes women can imagine their selves in but rather an ideal that women could look up to.
At least that's my take on it.
A better comparison to Bella would be Anastasia Steele (50 Shades of Grey) whereas a closer comparison to Carol would be Rey or someone like Atomic Blonde.
If we were to translate them to their male counterparts, Bella would be someone like Sam Witwicky whereas Danvers would be like Superman (or majority of Dwayne Johnson's characters).
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 4:35:51 GMT
In defense of Martin Freeman's blank stare, his house had previously been demolished. Earth too.
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Post by politicidal on May 28, 2019 16:54:30 GMT
Could this explain why she does not have very strong characterization? Brie Larson did say that the movie was made for women and not anybody else. She never said that. Why are you telling lies? Cuz Dark Phoenix is gonna turn out to be a huge clusterfuck.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 29, 2019 0:36:55 GMT
Could this explain why she does not have very strong characterization? Brie Larson did say that the movie was made for women and not anybody else. No. Go watch Robocop Another character we saw transformed against his will into an alleged blank slate warrior, yet managed to recover his memories. Yes, also watch Robocop for a better version of such a premise with a better and more rounded lead.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 29, 2019 0:39:06 GMT
She has just as much personality and character as anyone else in the mcu in my opinion. No she didn't, but even if she did, it would be completely irrelevant since she didn't make the movie. Sorry but out of the entire Avengers roster, current and former, Captain Marvel is the least developed character and barely has an arc of her own in either film she appears in. Didn't make the movie, but is the face of it and is the one doing most of the promotion.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 29, 2019 0:49:20 GMT
Actually Spider-Man is more of an apt comparison for being an audience surrogate, but Captain Marvel definitely isn't far and away a distance from the label of 'Mary Sue', she barely has an arc to her own movie at all and she just shows up randomly in Endgame.
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Post by merh on May 29, 2019 1:14:24 GMT
No. Go watch Robocop Another character we saw transformed against his will into an alleged blank slate warrior, yet managed to recover his memories. Yes, also watch Robocop for a better version of such a premise with a better and more rounded lead. Robocop worked for the 1980s. The remake sucked. Captain Marvel worked just fine. Murphy wasn't Robocop very long. Carol has been Vers for 6 years.
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Post by hobowar on May 29, 2019 1:33:43 GMT
She has just as much personality and character as anyone else in the mcu in my opinion. No she didn't, but even if she did, it would be completely irrelevant since she didn't make the movie. Sorry but out of the entire Avengers roster, current and former, Captain Marvel is the least developed character and barely has an arc of her own in either film she appears in. Didn't make the movie, but is the face of it and is the one doing most of the promotion. Fair enough. For me she had the best "learning to not be a cµnt" arc out any of the mcu heroes so far. I also like her sense of humour the most.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 29, 2019 5:16:42 GMT
Yes, also watch Robocop for a better version of such a premise with a better and more rounded lead. Robocop worked for the 1980s. The remake sucked. Captain Marvel worked just fine. Murphy wasn't Robocop very long. Carol has been Vers for 6 years. Actually Robocbop still works, its just as effective today as it was back in the 1980s. The remake sucked because it did away with the original's social, political, and consumeristic satire, its biblical inspired metaphor, and take-no-prisoners approach to filmmaking - it so much more than your typical 80s sci-fi actioner, which is why after so many years its held in a high regard and why we're getting another one in the works which is meant to follow the original movie, Neil Blomkamp is directing and hoping for Peter Weller to come back as Murphy. Perhaps it worked fine, but it didn't work great, movie has a lot of storytelling problems that could've easily been worked out with another rewrite or two. And yet Murphy had a much more fleshed out backstory and an actual character arc that came full circle in the end without any hiccups or loose ends, cannot say the same with Carol Danvers in her own movie.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 29, 2019 5:19:35 GMT
Sorry but out of the entire Avengers roster, current and former, Captain Marvel is the least developed character and barely has an arc of her own in either film she appears in. Didn't make the movie, but is the face of it and is the one doing most of the promotion. Fair enough. For me she had the best "learning to not be a cµnt" arc out any of the mcu heroes so far. I also like her sense of humour the most. I agree with you on her sense of humor, it was that aspect that made me remember the Carol I used to read of and love before Kelly Sue Deconnick took over.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 29, 2019 12:40:58 GMT
I completely forgot they remade Robocop, and I was better for it. Damn you guys.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jun 2, 2019 20:53:16 GMT
Robocop worked for the 1980s. The remake sucked. Captain Marvel worked just fine. Murphy wasn't Robocop very long. Carol has been Vers for 6 years. Actually Robocbop still works, its just as effective today as it was back in the 1980s. The remake sucked because it did away with the original's social, political, and consumeristic satire, its biblical inspired metaphor, and take-no-prisoners approach to filmmaking - it so much more than your typical 80s sci-fi actioner, which is why after so many years its held in a high regard and why we're getting another one in the works which is meant to follow the original movie, Neil Blomkamp is directing and hoping for Peter Weller to come back as Murphy. Perhaps it worked fine, but it didn't work great, movie has a lot of storytelling problems that could've easily been worked out with another rewrite or two. And yet Murphy had a much more fleshed out backstory and an actual character arc that came full circle in the end without any hiccups or loose ends, cannot say the same with Carol Danvers in her own movie. She starts the movie not knowing where she's from, how she got her powers, who the good guys and had guys are, she ends it knowing all of those things. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 3, 2019 13:25:19 GMT
Actually Robocbop still works, its just as effective today as it was back in the 1980s. The remake sucked because it did away with the original's social, political, and consumeristic satire, its biblical inspired metaphor, and take-no-prisoners approach to filmmaking - it so much more than your typical 80s sci-fi actioner, which is why after so many years its held in a high regard and why we're getting another one in the works which is meant to follow the original movie, Neil Blomkamp is directing and hoping for Peter Weller to come back as Murphy. Perhaps it worked fine, but it didn't work great, movie has a lot of storytelling problems that could've easily been worked out with another rewrite or two. And yet Murphy had a much more fleshed out backstory and an actual character arc that came full circle in the end without any hiccups or loose ends, cannot say the same with Carol Danvers in her own movie. She starts the movie not knowing where she's from, how she got her powers, who the good guys and had guys are, she ends it knowing all of those things. But then you have the total opposite with Wolverine who everyone loved from the first movie.
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