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Post by Aj_June on Apr 1, 2019 20:24:21 GMT
It doesn't says anything what you believe it does. Fuckin Ada, yes it does, and I quote from what you yersen just posted... "Many Christians no longer believe in [the devil’s] existence, few exorcists are appointed and there are no more young priests willing to learn” Many doesn't mean majority.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 1, 2019 20:30:54 GMT
We just had a visiting exorcist priest come visit my parish, & do a talk, a few weeks ago. Let me guess, you're in America 🤔 It's extremely bigoted of you to put anything that you perceive bad among your fellow Catholics on Americans. I just quoted you the Vatican itself which operates from Europe and is promoting Exorcism. What is wrong is your behavior similar to that of a bully who wants to silence others based on what you claim is "majority" belief. Using that as a shaming device to silence others. Always been a bad form of argument and that is how religions become corrupt in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 20:33:18 GMT
Fuckin Ada, yes it does, and I quote from what you yersen just posted... "Many Christians no longer believe in [the devil’s] existence, few exorcists are appointed and there are no more young priests willing to learn” Many doesn't mean majority. Now you're splitting hairs mate.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 1, 2019 20:34:29 GMT
Many doesn't mean majority. Now you're splitting hairs mate. You are a shameless liar, mate. You have zero commitment to honesty and integrity. And this the last I have to say about the topic.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 1, 2019 20:47:04 GMT
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen. Why would God rebuke the devil? Sure as he Himself gave the devil licence to operate. The devil couldn't get involved amongst men and women until God himself gave him licence to. That is OT scripture. why would anyone think that just because God allows stuff that means they were hired to do stuff? Satan has as much free will as the rest of us. Next thing you know some goober is going to saying God is bad for giving us choices.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 20:49:11 GMT
Now you're splitting hairs mate. You are a shameless liar, mate. You have zero commitment to honesty and integrity. And this the last I have to say about the topic. Were your dosas overfermented the other night? You've got a right cob on you today.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 21:23:23 GMT
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen. No thank you. I don't need protection by or from bronze age fiction.
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2019 22:37:51 GMT
Why would God rebuke the devil? Sure as he Himself gave the devil licence to operate. The devil couldn't get involved amongst men and women until God himself gave him licence to. That is OT scripture. why would anyone think that just because God allows stuff that means they were hired to do stuff? Satan has as much free will as the rest of us. Next thing you know some goober is going to saying God is bad for giving us choices. Actually, Satan doesn't have free will. In the beginning, as Lucifer, he did, but when he rebelled, his will became set against God forever.
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2019 22:40:32 GMT
Why would God rebuke the devil? Sure as he Himself gave the devil licence to operate. The devil couldn't get involved amongst men and women until God himself gave him licence to. That is OT scripture. why would anyone think that just because God allows stuff that means they were hired to do stuff? Satan has as much free will as the rest of us. Next thing you know some goober is going to saying God is bad for giving us choices. That said, @nedkelly overlooks the passage in the New Testament (St. Jude, verse 9)
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 1, 2019 22:41:04 GMT
why would anyone think that just because God allows stuff that means they were hired to do stuff? Satan has as much free will as the rest of us. Next thing you know some goober is going to saying God is bad for giving us choices. Actually, Satan doesn't have free will. In the beginning, as Lucifer, he did, but when he rebelled, his will became set against God forever. his will being set against god is not the same thing as not having free will. Tons of people are against God and it seems silly to digest only people who want to worship God have free will.
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2019 22:41:32 GMT
Why would God rebuke the devil? Sure as he Himself gave the devil licence to operate. The devil couldn't get involved amongst men and women until God himself gave him licence to. That is OT scripture. why would anyone think that just because God allows stuff that means they were hired to do stuff? Satan has as much free will as the rest of us. Next thing you know some goober is going to saying God is bad for giving us choices. That said, @nedkelly overlooks the passage in the New Testament (St. Jude, verse 9) where it says "Michael said 'May God Rebuke you (the Devil).'"
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2019 22:43:18 GMT
Actually, Satan doesn't have free will. In the beginning, as Lucifer, he did, but when he rebelled, his will became set against God forever. his will being set against god is not the same thing as not having free will. Tons of people are against God and it seems silly to digest only people who want to worship God have free will. We only have free will in this life. At death, our wills will be set forever. That is why the suffering in Hell is eternal.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 1, 2019 22:45:25 GMT
his will being set against god is not the same thing as not having free will. Tons of people are against God and it seems silly to digest only people who want to worship God have free will. We only have free will in this life. At death, our wills will be set forever. That is why the suffering in Hell is eternal. I know you think those statements makes sense.
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2019 23:04:54 GMT
We only have free will in this life. At death, our wills will be set forever. That is why the suffering in Hell is eternal. I know you think those statements makes sense. Yes.
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Post by goz on Apr 1, 2019 23:29:55 GMT
I know you think those statements makes sense. Yes. You DO know that the concept of hell is only emotional blackmail to make you do what the Church wants you to do now, right? It is a kind of extortion. 'If you don't do what we say, something VERY bad will happen to you'! Mafia...esque!
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2019 23:32:13 GMT
You DO know that the concept of hell is only emotional blackmail to make you do what the Church wants you to do now, right? It is a kind of extortion. 'If you don't do what we say, something VERY bad will happen to you'! Mafia...esque! Same as being sent to jail.
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Post by goz on Apr 1, 2019 23:36:38 GMT
You DO know that the concept of hell is only emotional blackmail to make you do what the Church wants you to do now, right? It is a kind of extortion. 'If you don't do what we say, something VERY bad will happen to you'! Mafia...esque! Same as being sent to jail. So do Catholics equate Hell as being sent to jail for ever, or is this your own personal viewpoint? Ned Kelly doesn't believe in Hell, and claims 'modern' centrists Catholics shouldn't either! It is kinda hard for us regular atheists to keep up with exactly what we are missing out on!
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2019 23:40:01 GMT
Same as being sent to jail. So do Catholics equate Hell as being sent to jail for ever, or is this your own personal viewpoint? Ned Kelly doesn't believe in Hell, and claims 'modern' centrists Catholics shouldn't either! It is kinda hard for us regular atheists to keep up with exactly what we are missing out on! Yup.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 6:35:51 GMT
Same as being sent to jail. Ned Kelly doesn't believe in Hell, and claims 'modern' centrists Catholics shouldn't either! To be fair to myself, I don't claim anyone should or shouldn't believe one thing or another... I merely state how I understand my own faith. It's entirely up to everyone what they do or don't believe, how they interpret their own faith or not. And to clarify, I don't believe in hell as the Medieval concept. I believe hell is when a person has fallen so far from grace, that reaching resurrection through purgatory is impossible, and it results in complete separation from God.
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Post by geode on Apr 2, 2019 10:34:14 GMT
This reminds me of all the hubbub a year ago over an interview with Pope Francis. link
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