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Post by Marv on Apr 2, 2019 21:02:49 GMT
The Leader - Daenerys
The Magic - Qyburn
The Strategist - Tywin Lannister
The Fighter - Bronn
The Muscle - The Hound
Not sure who set these prices but...Daario a 4? Easy pass. Also kind of assuming Dany gets the dragons in tow. If not...i probably still choose her but its a lot closer.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 2, 2019 23:28:45 GMT
The Leader - Daenerys The Magic - Qyburn The Strategist - Tywin Lannister The Fighter - Bronn The Muscle - The Hound Not sure who set these prices but...Daario a 4? Easy pass. Also kind of assuming Dany gets the dragons in tow. If not...i probably still choose her but its a lot closer. Daario was a veteran gladiator in the arenas of Slavers Bay long enough to make his owner rich enough he freed him when he died. That suggests a decade or more of regular life and death struggles against the best a gladiator culture had to offer. No one else listed can compete with that resume.
The Leader: High Sparrow--also a cunning strategist who started with literally nothing--not even a name--but outmaneuvered everyone until Cersei cheated and nuked him.
The Magic: Qyburn--I'd rather have Melisandre but need to save money
The Strategist: Robb Stark--I'd put a chastity belt on him first though
The Fighter: Daario--Best resume
The Muscle: Wun Wun--duh.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 3, 2019 0:01:10 GMT
The most powerful of those skills are magic and I will have the best in the class- Brandon Stark aka Three Eyed Raven. Info on the past, present and the future
Magic - Bran ($5)
Strategist - Tyrion ($2) ( Based on the book he is awesome) Muscle - The Hound is good for price ($2) Fighter - Arya ($3) can act as ninja Leader - Think Dany is overpriced. I could have Rob but given the options I will have JON ($4).
Jon Arya The Hound Tyrion and Bran
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Post by Marendil on Apr 3, 2019 2:17:21 GMT
The most powerful of those skills are magic and I will have the best in the class- Brandon Stark aka Three Eyed Raven. Info on the past, present and the future
Magic - Bran ($5)
Strategist - Tyrion ($2) ( Based on the book he is awesome) Muscle - The Hound is good for price ($2) Fighter - Arya ($3) can act as ninja Leader - Think Dany is overpriced. I could have Rob but given the options I will have JON ($4).
Jon Arya The Hound Tyrion and Bran
I thought about Bran but from what we know so far he can't control it and the impetuous little disobedient dipshit contributed to both the war starting and the massacre of the last Children (and Hodor and Summer) because he will not listen.
Dany probably isn't overpriced when you consider all that comes with her like (on the show) invulnerability to heat and fire as well as turning stone eggs to real dragonlings and being able to control and summon them pretty well.
I'd rather have Dany's magic than anyone else on that list outside perhaps Melisandre, and the latter has similar issues to Bran.
I really wanted Wun-Wun and after making an argument for DN figured I ought to choose him but were I to do it again I'd take:
The Leader: Dany--see above
The Magic: Melisandre--they're all pawns of R'Hllor it seems, at least with Mel you're acknowledging it up front and she can do real magic.
The Strategist: Tyrion--His strategy in the restoration invasion wasn't all that bad if you consider an all-out invasion of King's Landing may well have been countered by Cersei nuking the city with wildfire like Aerys wanted to.
The Fighter: Brienne-- defeated Loras, The Hound and Jaime in single combat and never gives up.
The Muscle: The Hound. Still want Wun-Wun, but Sandor is funnier.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 3, 2019 4:13:19 GMT
Bran for obvious benefits Dany for obvious benefits. Tyrion- he saved king's landing, has been the best hand of the king I've seen on the show, is smart enough to stay alive in a world that wouldn't think twice if he died. Brienne of Tarth and Tormund, because true love conquers all. |
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 3, 2019 4:44:44 GMT
The most powerful of those skills are magic and I will have the best in the class- Brandon Stark aka Three Eyed Raven. Info on the past, present and the future
Magic - Bran ($5)
Strategist - Tyrion ($2) ( Based on the book he is awesome) Muscle - The Hound is good for price ($2) Fighter - Arya ($3) can act as ninja Leader - Think Dany is overpriced. I could have Rob but given the options I will have JON ($4).
Jon Arya The Hound Tyrion and Bran
I thought about Bran but from what we know so far he can't control it and the impetuous little disobedient dipshit contributed to both the war starting and the massacre of the last Children (and Hodor and Summer) because he will not listen.
Dany probably isn't overpriced when you consider all that comes with her like (on the show) invulnerability to heat and fire as well as turning stone eggs to real dragonlings and being able to control and summon them pretty well.
I'd rather have Dany's magic than anyone else on that list outside perhaps Melisandre, and the latter has similar issues to Bran.
I really wanted Wun-Wun and after making an argument for DN figured I ought to choose him but were I to do it again I'd take:
The Leader: Dany--see above
The Magic: Melisandre--they're all pawns of R'Hellor it seems, at least with Mel you're acknowledging it up front and she can do real magic.
The Strategist: Tyrion--His strategy in the restoration invasion wasn't all that bad if you consider an all-out invasion of King's Landing may well have been countered by Cersei nuking the city with wildfire like Aerys wanted to.
The Fighter: Brienne-- defeated Loras, The Hound and Jaime in single combat and never gives up.
The Muscle: The Hound. Still want Wun-Wun, but Sandor is funnier.
Of course Brienne is a great fighter and never gives up. She is as good as anybody and probably more loyal than most. As for Melisandre, I have certain problems with her even if I like her character. For one, she misidentified the prince who was promised. Created a false Lightbringer and did certain other mistakes. I would feel not so comfortable with her in my team. Although I do acknowledge that she is one of the most powerful characters on the show. Even though I do not like Jon as a leader I did opt for him because he has good diplomatic skills and can unify opposing sides for a common cause.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 3, 2019 5:51:15 GMT
I thought about Bran but from what we know so far he can't control it and the impetuous little disobedient dipshit contributed to both the war starting and the massacre of the last Children (and Hodor and Summer) because he will not listen.
Dany probably isn't overpriced when you consider all that comes with her like (on the show) invulnerability to heat and fire as well as turning stone eggs to real dragonlings and being able to control and summon them pretty well.
I'd rather have Dany's magic than anyone else on that list outside perhaps Melisandre, and the latter has similar issues to Bran.
I really wanted Wun-Wun and after making an argument for DN figured I ought to choose him but were I to do it again I'd take:
The Leader: Dany--see above
The Magic: Melisandre--they're all pawns of R'Hellor it seems, at least with Mel you're acknowledging it up front and she can do real magic.
The Strategist: Tyrion--His strategy in the restoration invasion wasn't all that bad if you consider an all-out invasion of King's Landing may well have been countered by Cersei nuking the city with wildfire like Aerys wanted to.
The Fighter: Brienne-- defeated Loras, The Hound and Jaime in single combat and never gives up.
The Muscle: The Hound. Still want Wun-Wun, but Sandor is funnier.
Of course Brienne is a great fighter and never gives up. She is as good as anybody and probably more loyal than most. As for Melisandre, I have certain problems with her even if I like her character. For one, she misidentified the prince who was promised. Created a false Lightbringer and did certain other mistakes. I would feel not so comfortable with her in my team. Although I do acknowledge that she is one of the most powerful characters on the show. Even though I do not like Jon as a leader I did opt for him because he has good diplomatic skills and can unify opposing sides for a common cause. Did Melisandre misinterpret or did R'Hllor deceive her? What she accomplished just so happened to pretty much wipe out the rest of the Baratheon royal family just in time for Danerys's restoration invasion and resurrect the true Targaryen heir for her to mate with, like Targs have always done. R'Hllor is the God of fire and what is 'fire made flesh?'
Note that R'Hllor grants remote viewing to the past and/or mind reading, as her echoing Ygritte ('you know nothing Jon Snow') and Kinvara discombobulating Varys established.
I like Jon too, during my last re-watch I was even more impressed how Kit Harrington grew into the role. However since his plot armor is so thick nothing can touch him in the show I can't resist giving him a little shit from time to time.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 3, 2019 6:25:18 GMT
Brienne of Tarth and Tormund, because true love conquers all. On Game of Throne true love just gets you and others killed, if it doesn't fall apart first. Sam and Gilly being the exception that proves the rule.
Think about it, R+L really equaled civil war and mass death. Pretty much everyone else we've seen in love has died or lost their lover now that Jaime and Cersei fell out, another love story that made the Realm bleed.
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Post by Marv on Apr 3, 2019 9:55:59 GMT
The Leader - Daenerys The Magic - Qyburn The Strategist - Tywin Lannister The Fighter - Bronn The Muscle - The Hound Not sure who set these prices but...Daario a 4? Easy pass. Also kind of assuming Dany gets the dragons in tow. If not...i probably still choose her but its a lot closer. Daario was a veteran gladiator in the arenas of Slavers Bay long enough to make his owner rich enough he freed him when he died. That suggests a decade or more of regular life and death struggles against the best a gladiator culture had to offer. No one else listed can compete with that resume.
The Leader: High Sparrow--also a cunning strategist who started with literally nothing--not even a name--but outmaneuvered everyone until Cersei cheated and nuked him.
The Magic: Qyburn--I'd rather have Melisandre but need to save money
The Strategist: Robb Stark--I'd put a chastity belt on him first though
The Fighter: Daario--Best resume
The Muscle: Wun Wun--duh.
Dario is an easy pass because of those under him. I don’t mean to say that he’s not capable...just that when you’ve got him at 4 and Bronn at 1 or even Brienne at 2...I didn’t see a reason to overspend d there. I did jump up for Tywin tho. Tyrion is a good deal in that category but his recent failure drop him down a notch for me. Him checking Dany is great but him basically failing in his first several moves since coming back to Westeros takes him down a notch for me. I kind of only took Dany because I had enough money left to. Leader was my last pick and I could’ve just as easily went with Jon...who might actually be a better leader despite all his flaws. He’s a good mouth piece if nothing else. I like the Hound and Qyburn and they were both relatively cheap. |
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Post by Marendil on Apr 3, 2019 11:17:47 GMT
Daario was a veteran gladiator in the arenas of Slavers Bay long enough to make his owner rich enough he freed him when he died. That suggests a decade or more of regular life and death struggles against the best a gladiator culture had to offer. No one else listed can compete with that resume.
The Leader: High Sparrow--also a cunning strategist who started with literally nothing--not even a name--but outmaneuvered everyone until Cersei cheated and nuked him.
The Magic: Qyburn--I'd rather have Melisandre but need to save money
The Strategist: Robb Stark--I'd put a chastity belt on him first though
The Fighter: Daario--Best resume
The Muscle: Wun Wun--duh.
Dario is an easy pass because of those under him. I don’t mean to say that he’s not capable...just that when you’ve got him at 4 and Bronn at 1 or even Brienne at 2...I didn’t see a reason to overspend d there. I did jump up for Tywin tho. Tyrion is a good deal in that category but his recent failure drop him down a notch for me. Him checking Dany is great but him basically failing in his first several moves since coming back to Westeros takes him down a notch for me. I kind of only took Dany because I had enough money left to. Leader was my last pick and I could’ve just as easily went with Jon...who might actually be a better leader despite all his flaws. He’s a good mouth piece if nothing else. I like the Hound and Qyburn and they were both relatively cheap. Good point on Daario, I realized the same myself later, there's much more of a drop off in the magic or leader category than there is in the fighting one where the marginal value between them is slim.
Tyrion's strategy may have seemed like a failure initially, but it was far better than sending everything to King's Landing and having Cersei blow the city and Dany's whole army to oblivion. Plus consider what the Lion actually controls now that they forfeited the Rock and alienated any support they might have in the Reach by stealing their harvest.
Tywin was a great character and prepared well for war but was not a great strategist. With the best provisioned troops mustered and ready with supplemental mercenaries attacking an unprepared Riverlands he damn near lost and suffered several embarrassing defeats on his own soil in part because he underestimated Robb Stark and chose Jaime and Gregor Clegane as his commanders. Had he not been 'lucky' and had The Mountain's relieving army stopped in its tracks by the ravaged Riverlanders (which allowed Robb Stark to continue ravishing the Westerlands unmolested--though he would rather of faced that army and destroyed it utterly) and had not Littlefinger arranged the Tyrell alliance he would have lost the war right then, right there. Just as he would have if Tyrion had not defended King's Landing so adroitly. He also had unexpected good fortune in the Greyjoys rebelling when they did and attacking the North and the Freys deserting his enemies because Robb couldn't keep his pecker in his pants.
Dany may not be the greatest leader in every regard, but she gives you extra magic...and dragons!
The Hound and Qyburn are good values but both in categories where the top ones are far superior. Wun-Wun can single-handedly diminish a fortification like Winterfell's ability to withstand assault. Qyburn's 'magic' is extremely limited compared to Bran and Melisandre, though I also took both in different line-ups.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 3, 2019 11:34:19 GMT
Every team should have Bran. His team wins automatically. He is by far the most powerful character.
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Post by Marv on Apr 3, 2019 12:03:51 GMT
Dario is an easy pass because of those under him. I don’t mean to say that he’s not capable...just that when you’ve got him at 4 and Bronn at 1 or even Brienne at 2...I didn’t see a reason to overspend d there. I did jump up for Tywin tho. Tyrion is a good deal in that category but his recent failure drop him down a notch for me. Him checking Dany is great but him basically failing in his first several moves since coming back to Westeros takes him down a notch for me. I kind of only took Dany because I had enough money left to. Leader was my last pick and I could’ve just as easily went with Jon...who might actually be a better leader despite all his flaws. He’s a good mouth piece if nothing else. I like the Hound and Qyburn and they were both relatively cheap. Good point on Daario, I realized the same myself later, there's much more of a drop off in the magic or leader category than there is in the fighting one where the marginal value between them is slim.
Tyrion's strategy may have seemed like a failure initially, but it was far better than sending everything to King's Landing and having Cersei blow the city and Dany's whole army to oblivion. Plus consider what the Lion actually controls now that they forfeited the Rock and alienated any support they might have in the Reach by stealing their harvest.
Tywin was a great character and prepared well for war but was not a great strategist. With the best provisioned troops mustered and ready with supplemental mercenaries attacking an unprepared Riverlands he damn near lost and suffered several embarrassing defeats on his own soil in part because he underestimated Robb Stark and chose Jaime and Gregor Clegane as his commanders. Had he not been 'lucky' and had The Mountain's relieving army stopped in its tracks by the ravaged Riverlanders (which allowed Robb Stark to continue ravishing the Westerlands unmolested--though he would rather of faced that army and destroyed it utterly) and had not Littlefinger arranged the Tyrell alliance he would have lost the war right then, right there. Just as he would have if Tyrion had not defended King's Landing so adroitly. He also had unexpected good fortune in the Greyjoys rebelling when they did and attacking the North and the Freys deserting his enemies because Robb couldn't keep his pecker in his pants.
Dany may not be the greatest leader in every regard, but she gives you extra magic...and dragons!
The Hound and Qyburn are good values but both in categories where the top ones are far superior. Wun-Wun can single-handedly diminish a fortification like Winterfell's ability to withstand assault. Qyburn's 'magic' is extremely limited compared to Bran and Melisandre, though I also took both in different line-ups.
Wun Wun just seems too susceptible to arrows. I mean everyone is but he’s such a big target I see him falling fairly quickly. It kind of depends on what they’re up against tho. |
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 3, 2019 21:26:01 GMT
To piggy back on the last two comments, with getting Bran and Dany I couldn't afford Wun Wun, but with Bran he could simply warg into Wun Wun for a bit. Any team without that ability will lose.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 3, 2019 21:31:00 GMT
Brienne of Tarth and Tormund, because true love conquers all. On Game of Throne true love just gets you and others killed, if it doesn't fall apart first. Sam and Gilly being the exception that proves the rule.
Think about it, R+L really equaled civil war and mass death. Pretty much everyone else we've seen in love has died or lost their lover now that Jaime and Cersei fell out, another love story that made the Realm bleed.
I disagree. True love of Ned and Cat led to 3 Starks still very much alive in Arya, Bran and Sansa, all of which very powerful in their own way. True love led to Jon Snow being born and successfully hidden. And none of those loves compares to Brienne and Tormund fighting side by side. |
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Post by Marendil on Apr 3, 2019 22:27:31 GMT
On Game of Throne true love just gets you and others killed, if it doesn't fall apart first. Sam and Gilly being the exception that proves the rule.
Think about it, R+L really equaled civil war and mass death. Pretty much everyone else we've seen in love has died or lost their lover now that Jaime and Cersei fell out, another love story that made the Realm bleed.
I disagree. True love of Ned and Cat led to 3 Starks still very much alive in Arya, Bran and Sansa, all of which very powerful in their own way. True love led to Jon Snow being born and successfully hidden. And none of those loves compares to Brienne and Tormund fighting side by side. My point being Ned and Cat still died horribly as did Jon's parents.
It came to me as I was listening to "The Rose" and I was thinking some of the lyrics corresponded well to some of the characters and might make for a decent video with GoT scenes, but then you get to the end where you'd have to show some happier outcomes and...just who could that be outside maybe Sam and Gilly?
Some say love, it is a river, that drowns the tender reed (show scenes of Jon and Ygritte)
Some say love, it is a razor, that leaves your soul to bleed (cue shots of Tyrion talking about Tysha and Shae lying on the stand at his trial)
Some say love, it is a hunger, an endless aching need (Jorah fighting for Dany at her childbirth and in the Fighting Pits)
I say love, it is a flower, and you, its only seed (Margery and Tommen--The heiress of the Rose and the last legal Baratheon)
Its the heart afraid of breaking, that never learns to dance (Brienne talking with Pod about when Renly 'rescued' her at the dance)
Its the dream afraid of waking, that never takes the chance (dunno--maybe Brienne with Jaime in the bath?)
Its the one who won't be taken, who cannot seem to give (Arya)
And the soul afraid of dying, that never learns to live (Sansa)
When the night has been too lonely (Jon standing atop the wall) and the road has been too long (Dany in the Red Waste)
And you think that love is only for the lucky and the strong (Sam and Gilly? Sam is the luckiest SoB on the show but while Gilly is a survivor does 'strong' really work?)
Just remember in the winter, far beneath the bitter snows
Lies the seed, that with the sun's love in the spring becomes the rose
These last two might work out well with Jon and Dany if they get a happy ending but c'mon we know that won't happen--this is GoT and they're in love!
As for Brienne I'd lay odds she eats Tormund's liver instead. "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."
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Post by Marendil on Apr 3, 2019 22:36:36 GMT
To piggy back on the last two comments, with getting Bran and Dany I couldn't afford Wun Wun, but with Bran he could simply warg into Wun Wun for a bit. Any team without that ability will lose. While his being able to control Hodor suggests it's possible, perhaps even likely, it's not certain he could. Bran is powerful but even more of a wildcard than Melisandre. Plus the little shit just doesn't listen. You tell him to control Wun-Wun in battle and he might just decide to control a groundhog instead and hide. He might even spend so much time inside the dirt rodent he forgets he's human and then you've got nothing.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 3, 2019 23:36:38 GMT
Good point on Daario, I realized the same myself later, there's much more of a drop off in the magic or leader category than there is in the fighting one where the marginal value between them is slim.
Tyrion's strategy may have seemed like a failure initially, but it was far better than sending everything to King's Landing and having Cersei blow the city and Dany's whole army to oblivion. Plus consider what the Lion actually controls now that they forfeited the Rock and alienated any support they might have in the Reach by stealing their harvest.
Tywin was a great character and prepared well for war but was not a great strategist. With the best provisioned troops mustered and ready with supplemental mercenaries attacking an unprepared Riverlands he damn near lost and suffered several embarrassing defeats on his own soil in part because he underestimated Robb Stark and chose Jaime and Gregor Clegane as his commanders. Had he not been 'lucky' and had The Mountain's relieving army stopped in its tracks by the ravaged Riverlanders (which allowed Robb Stark to continue ravishing the Westerlands unmolested--though he would rather of faced that army and destroyed it utterly) and had not Littlefinger arranged the Tyrell alliance he would have lost the war right then, right there. Just as he would have if Tyrion had not defended King's Landing so adroitly. He also had unexpected good fortune in the Greyjoys rebelling when they did and attacking the North and the Freys deserting his enemies because Robb couldn't keep his pecker in his pants.
Dany may not be the greatest leader in every regard, but she gives you extra magic...and dragons!
The Hound and Qyburn are good values but both in categories where the top ones are far superior. Wun-Wun can single-handedly diminish a fortification like Winterfell's ability to withstand assault. Qyburn's 'magic' is extremely limited compared to Bran and Melisandre, though I also took both in different line-ups.
Wun Wun just seems too susceptible to arrows. I mean everyone is but he’s such a big target I see him falling fairly quickly. It kind of depends on what they’re up against tho. Give him some armor then, that's one of The Mountain's crucial fortes which is laid out more explicitly in the books; his tremendous strength allows him to wear nigh impenetrable armor.
Even without it Wun-Wun took arrows constantly in a battle where most the time they were surrounded and outnumbered and he still had the capacity to crash the gates of Winterfell. What was it Theon quoted Ned Stark on in season two; five hundred men could hold Winterfell against ten thousand?
Not if one of those is Wun-Wun!
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 3, 2019 23:42:51 GMT
But we all agree that in a closed space, the legend of Karl Tanner is the greatest fighter you have got on your disposal  |
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Post by Marendil on Apr 3, 2019 23:59:48 GMT
But we all agree that in a closed space, the legend of Karl Tanner is the greatest fighter you have got on your disposal Heh, I always got the impression that scene was supposed to mirror the same episode's scenes with Arya and the Hound where the latter pointed out Meryn Trant defeated Syrio Forel 'because he had armor on and a big fucking sword.' That was also the case between Jon Snow and the 'Fooking Legend' as KT scored hits on John but his armor prevented them from penetrating much but one true hit from Longclaw and the Legend was history.
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