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Post by Aj_June on Apr 3, 2019 15:17:35 GMT
Do you know the difference between them? Which of them was Freddie Mercury?
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 3, 2019 16:41:15 GMT
I believe the Parsis are a Zoroastrian community only in India, while the main body of Zoroastrians have always been in Persia i.e. Iran. Mercury's family was from India, so I would guess he was Parsi or an Indian follower of Zoroastrianism. Yes, all Parsis are Zoroastrians but not all Zoroastrians are Parsis. Parsis are the Zoroastrians from the Pārs region of Persia who took refuge in India during Islamic conquest of Iran. Even though Parsis have a long history in India they are still devout Zoroastrians. The legend of Parsi arrival in India as maintained by Parsi community is this:
Hindu King of Gujarat state of India welcomed the persecuted Parsis when they landed on western Gujarat province of India. The Indian king offered them a glass full of milk. The Parsis added sugar to the milk that was offered to them. Thereby they indicated that they will mix with the Indian population without creating any problems as sugar mixes readily with the milk. The Hindu king allowed them to build their fire temples after learning about their religion and only demanded one thing from them. That they held marriages after sunset. Parsis agreed to the only condition that was demanded of them. Parsis much like Jews are a very loved community in India and one of the earliest instances of refugees being granted land to live.
I will also like to make a difference between a Parsi and an Irani. Parsis are those Zoroastrians who migrated to India in the 8th century. Much later another group of Zoroastrians migrated to India. These people migrated from Iranian city called Yazd to India in the late 18th and 19th century and are called "Irani". They were being persecuted by Qajar dynasty of Iran.
The culture of Parsis and Iranis differ significantly even if the religion is the same. Irani people are somewhat closer to current day Zoroastrians of Iran. The marriage traditions differ significantly. Although both groups still follow the same core religion. Mercury's family was of Parsi origin not Irani origin.
This is your typical Irani family in India
This is your typical Parsi family in India
The Herald Erjen I think this thread might interest you, my man.
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Post by clusium on Apr 3, 2019 17:11:20 GMT
Do you know the difference between them? Which of them was Freddie Mercury? According the movie Bohemian Rhapsody, Freddie Mercury was Parsi.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 3, 2019 17:18:34 GMT
Yes, all Parsis are Zoroastrians bit not all Zoroastrians are Parsis. Parsis are the Zoroastrians from the Pārs region of Persia who took refuge in India during Islam conquest of Iran. Even though Parsis have a long history in India they are still devout Zoroastrians. The legend of Parsi arrival in India as maintained by Parsi community is this:
I am very attracted to Zoroastrianism and its classic dualism. My own interpretation of Christianity when I was Christian was somewhat dualistic, in that I believed Satan had an important universal role equal to that of Christ. I've also studied Mormonism which believes Satan and Christ were brothers. And for what it's worth I hate Queen. Lol. I am very strongly attracted to fire and thus any religion that considers fire sacred. The fire worship element (and thereby purifying things) fascinates me. Just like you, I am also fascinated by Zoroastrianism.
I do like to be on such Zoroastrian gatherings: Do know Gameboy that both the Hinduism and Zoroastrianism had emerged from the same proto-religion? What is funny is that in Sanskrit the word Devtas mean gods (not BRahman or equivalent of God) and the same word means demons in Zoroastrianism? Wait, it's even funnier. Asura mean demons in Hinduism but Ahura means gods/angels in Zoroastrianism. That said even the Vedas begin with prayers to fire and if you ever visit my house you could see one of my relatives doing something like this: I remember Worov liking above pics. Seems like men wearing no clothes appealed to him.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 3, 2019 17:20:08 GMT
Do you know the difference between them? Which of them was Freddie Mercury? According the movie Bohemian Rhapsody, Freddie Mercury was Parsi. Yes, that is correct. His family was from Gujarat province of India. I am not sure though how serious he was about his religion. Do you have some of them in Toronto, Splash?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 3, 2019 17:31:15 GMT
I believe the Parsis are a Zoroastrian community only in India, while the main body of Zoroastrians have always been in Persia i.e. Iran. Mercury's family was from India, so I would guess he was Parsi or an Indian follower of Zoroastrianism. Yes, all Parsis are Zoroastrians bit not all Zoroastrians are Parsis. Parsis are the Zoroastrians from the Pārs region of Persia who took refuge in India during Islam conquest of Iran. Even though Parsis have a long history in India they are still devout Zoroastrians. The legend of Parsi arrival in India as maintained by Parsi community is this:
Hindu King of Gujarat state of India welcomed the persecuted Parsis when they landed on western Gujarat province of India. The Indian king offered them a glass full of milk. The Parsis added sugar to the milk that was offered to them. Thereby they indicated that they will mix with the Indian population without creating any problems as sugar mixes readily with the milk. The Hindu king allowed them to build their fire temples after learning about their religion and only demanded one thing from them. That they held marriages after sunset. Parsis agreed to the only condition that was demanded of them. Parsis much like Jews are a very loved community in India and one of the earliest instances of refugees being granted land to live.
I will also like to make a difference between a Parsi and an Irani. Parsis are those Zoroastrians who migrated to India in the 8th century. Much later another group of Zoroastrians migrated to India. These people migrated from Iranian city called Yazd to India in the late 18th and 19th century and are called "Irani". They were being persecuted by Qajar dynasty of Iran.
The culture of Parsis and Iranis differ significantly even if the religion is the same. Irani people are somewhat closer to current day Zoroastrians of Iran. The marriage traditions differ significantly. Although both groups still follow the same core religion. Mercury's family was of Parsi origin not Irani origin.
This is your typical Irani family in India
This is your typical Parsi family in India
The Herald Erjen I think this thread might interest you, my man. Thank you. I read it a few minutes ago. I remembered that Freddie Mercury was raised as a Parsi, but I really didn't know what that meant until now.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 3, 2019 18:09:59 GMT
This probably won't be a chart-topper, but I thought it was cool.
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Post by clusium on Apr 3, 2019 20:43:35 GMT
According the movie Bohemian Rhapsody, Freddie Mercury was Parsi. Yes, that is correct. His family was from Gujarat province of India. I am not sure though how serious he was about his religion. Do you have some of them in Toronto, Splash? Yes. As a matter of fact, in the Toronto suburb where I grew up (I now live in a different part of the GTA), there was a Shia mosque, a Reform Synagogue, a Pure Land Buddhist temple, a Nondenominational Protestant church, & a Zoroastrian temple, all sharing the same intersection.
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Post by clusium on Apr 3, 2019 20:45:20 GMT
Do you know the difference between them? Which of them was Freddie Mercury? The late D.J. & voice actor, Casey Kasem was Druze.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 3, 2019 21:46:50 GMT
This probably won't be a chart-topper, but I thought it was cool. I often listen to old Persian music and there are few stored on my computer. Provides a good change from old English and classical Indian music. 
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Post by goz on Apr 3, 2019 22:25:18 GMT
This probably won't be a chart-topper, but I thought it was cool. I wish I knew a little more about Eastern music so that I could identify the scale that was written in. It is very familiar butt not a Western music one that I can identify. Anyone?
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Post by goz on Apr 3, 2019 22:28:47 GMT
Thank you for all that information. I didn't not know much, except having researched Freddie Mercury a little after watching and enjoying the movie (twice). I am not a great Queen fan and had avoided the movie until I went with a girlfriend and surprisingly really loved it! We are indeed lucky to have you as our 'Eastern correspondent'!  |
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 3, 2019 22:40:24 GMT
Thank you for all that information. I didn't not know much, except having researched Freddie Mercury a little after watching and enjoying the movie (twice). I am not a great Queen fan and had avoided the movie until I went with a girlfriend and surprisingly really loved it! We are indeed lucky to have you as our 'Eastern correspondent'! Thanks. But there is one problem. Parsi community is on average very rich. Much richer than average Indians. And so they have started a lifestyle similar to what happens in west. Not marrying. Thus there survival is in danger. Indian government is doing their best to keep the community's population in check but it would probably decline because the Parsis don't want to marry. They are very loved people and for that reason everyone wants them to maintain their unique place in Indian society. There is one Parsi family in my building. Boy o Boy, the kid looks so cute in those funny caps. and they make awesome cuisines which are a fusion of Indian and Persian cooking styles. And there are such lovely Parsi women around here in Mumbai. 
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Post by goz on Apr 3, 2019 22:57:08 GMT
Thank you for all that information. I didn't not know much, except having researched Freddie Mercury a little after watching and enjoying the movie (twice). I am not a great Queen fan and had avoided the movie until I went with a girlfriend and surprisingly really loved it! We are indeed lucky to have you as our 'Eastern correspondent'! Thanks. But there is one problem. Parsi community is on average very rich. Much richer than average Indians. And so they have started a lifestyle similar to what happens in west. Not marrying. Thus there survival is in danger. Indian government is doing their best to keep the community's population in check but it would probably decline because the Parsis don't want to marry. They are very loved people and for that reason everyone wants them to maintain their unique place in Indian society. There is one Parsi family in my building. Boy o Boy, the kid looks so cute in those funny caps. and they make awesome cuisines which are a fusion of Indian and Persian cooking styles. And there are such lovely Parsi women around here in Mumbai. Why don't they want to marry? There is a difference between having a Western style marriage where you only have one or two children ( to pass on your wealth and family name and traditions) and not wanting to marry at all?
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 3, 2019 23:00:04 GMT
Thanks. But there is one problem. Parsi community is on average very rich. Much richer than average Indians. And so they have started a lifestyle similar to what happens in west. Not marrying. Thus there survival is in danger. Indian government is doing their best to keep the community's population in check but it would probably decline because the Parsis don't want to marry. They are very loved people and for that reason everyone wants them to maintain their unique place in Indian society. There is one Parsi family in my building. Boy o Boy, the kid looks so cute in those funny caps. and they make awesome cuisines which are a fusion of Indian and Persian cooking styles. And there are such lovely Parsi women around here in Mumbai. Why don't they want to marry? There is a difference between having a Western style marriage where you only have one or two children ( to pass on your wealth and family name and traditions) and not wanting to marry at all? I think marriage rates drop among people who are a lot more wealthy relative to average in any society. May be they prefer live-in relations only and want no children. That said I believe it can only drop to a limit. The last few ones will survive.
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