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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 17:10:47 GMT
Interesting debate had on the subject... We have heard cases for the prosecution and defence ð
Now, you decide ð€
Feel free to cast your vote if you're not a Christian yourself... Sure you most likely know the story, and the discussion thread has cases for and against.
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Post by CoolJGS⺠on Apr 3, 2019 17:15:41 GMT
Guilty obviously
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Post by geode on Apr 3, 2019 17:18:35 GMT
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 3, 2019 17:28:40 GMT
He did more than he was required to do to spare Christ from crucifixion, and probably more than any other Roman procurator would have done in his place, but by all means you just go on affixing guilt, why don't you?
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Post by geode on Apr 3, 2019 18:10:33 GMT
He did more than he was required to do to spare Christ from crucifixion, and probably more than any other Roman procurator would have done in his place, but by all means you just go on affixing guilt, why don't you? I was the first to vote "innocent"...
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 3, 2019 18:13:22 GMT
He did more than he was required to do to spare Christ from crucifixion, and probably more than any other Roman procurator would have done in his place, but by all means you just go on affixing guilt, why don't you? I was the first to vote "innocent"... I was the second. 
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Post by drystyx on Apr 3, 2019 18:32:08 GMT
So you're Juror number 8?
I think I'm Juror #12. But I could be #6, or whichever one wanted to get out for a sporting event, which in my case would be a horse race. Imagine if this was a trial in my home town, Louisville, on Oaks Day, the day before Derby. I guarantee you the lawyers and judge would postpone it till Monday. I've seen them do that for trials on regular racing days.
But I guess I may be Juror #4 right now, because I'm just being objective and factual. Pilate was in charge. Pilate had him crucified. Even after the crowd called for the real enemy of Rome to be released, Pilate could have overruled the crowd, or did what judges do today, simply lie about what the crowd wanted.
My opponents have a modernist view of blaming the victim. I'm not into that. GUILTY!
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 3, 2019 18:37:27 GMT
Innocent
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Post by general313 on Apr 3, 2019 18:49:34 GMT
Innocent. Jesus is more responsible for his sentence because he offered no defense when Pilate interviewed him.
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Post by CoolJGS⺠on Apr 3, 2019 18:58:06 GMT
Innocent. Jesus is more responsible for his sentence because he offered no defense when Pilate interviewed him. Bictim blaming Jesus offered enough of a defense for Pilate to consider him innocent. The ONLY reason Jesus was killed was because Pilate punked out and got an assurance from people that did not matter that he would not be personally responsible. Jesus death had nothing to do with Jesus guilt since he wasnât guilty and Pilate knew it. At least the religious leaders owned it. |
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Post by general313 on Apr 3, 2019 19:08:37 GMT
Innocent. Jesus is more responsible for his sentence because he offered no defense when Pilate interviewed him. Bictim blaming Jesus offered enough of a defense for Pilate to consider him innocent. The ONLY reason Jesus was killed was because Pilate punked out and got an assurance from people that did not matter that he would not be personally responsible. Jesus death had nothing to do with Jesus guilt since he wasnât guilty and Pilate knew it. At least the religious leaders owned it. When the priests started making accusations at Jesus he remained silent, and didn't even answer Pilate's question about why he didn't answer their accusations. We don't know that Pilate "knew" he wasn't guilty, we only suspect that. I still say that a combination of the Jewish leaders and Jesus himself are mostly responsible.
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Post by CoolJGS⺠on Apr 3, 2019 19:22:01 GMT
Bictim blaming Jesus offered enough of a defense for Pilate to consider him innocent. The ONLY reason Jesus was killed was because Pilate punked out and got an assurance from people that did not matter that he would not be personally responsible. Jesus death had nothing to do with Jesus guilt since he wasnât guilty and Pilate knew it. At least the religious leaders owned it. When the priests started making accusations at Jesus he remained silent, and didn't even answer Pilate's question about why he didn't answer their accusations. We don't know that Pilate "knew" he wasn't guilty, we only suspect that. I still say that a combination of the Jewish leaders and Jesus himself are mostly responsible. I'm not sure why he would be seeking to release a guilty man do you? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 3, 2019 19:30:56 GMT
When the priests started making accusations at Jesus he remained silent, and didn't even answer Pilate's question about why he didn't answer their accusations. We don't know that Pilate "knew" he wasn't guilty, we only suspect that. I still say that a combination of the Jewish leaders and Jesus himself are mostly responsible. I'm not sure why he would be seeking to release a guilty man do you? Wouldn't the universalist concept that all men are brothers easily be considered sedition against the Roman Empire? Weren't two of the gripes against early Christians that they would not serve in the Roman Army and they would not honor the Roman gods (which had the perceived potential to bring misfortune on the Empire)? I'm asking instead of telling, since you seem to be the one on this board with all the "obviously" correct answers, and everyone is just playing 52-pickup.
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Post by general313 on Apr 3, 2019 19:40:22 GMT
I'm not sure why he would be seeking to release a guilty man do you? Wouldn't the universalist concept that all men are brothers easily be considered sedition against the Roman Empire? Weren't two of the gripes against early Christians that they would not serve in the Roman Army and they would not honor the Roman gods (which had the perceived potential to bring misfortune on the Empire)? I'm asking instead of telling, since you seem to be the one on this board with all the "obviously" correct answers, and everyone is just playing 52-pickup. Of those Roman gods, by far the most important (from the perspective of the Romans) was the emperor of Rome.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 3, 2019 19:44:25 GMT
Wouldn't the universalist concept that all men are brothers easily be considered sedition against the Roman Empire? Weren't two of the gripes against early Christians that they would not serve in the Roman Army and they would not honor the Roman gods (which had the perceived potential to bring misfortune on the Empire)? I'm asking instead of telling, since you seem to be the one on this board with all the "obviously" correct answers, and everyone is just playing 52-pickup. Of those Roman gods, by far the most important (from the perspective of the Romans) was the emperor of Rome. For a small province Judaea had its own Roman legion stationed there, although it was probably understrength. They had a reputation for brutality, and I read once that Pilate had been reprimanded twice by the Emperor for going too hard on the Jews. One is left to imagine what would have happened if Pilate had told the Jews, "I know you hate this man and you want him dead, but I don't agree, so I'm turning him loose. Live with it."
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Post by maya55555 on Apr 3, 2019 19:49:28 GMT
Well?
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Post by mslo79 on Apr 3, 2019 21:32:48 GMT
Guilty ; that's not debatable either given the words of Jesus Christ Himself which cannot be questioned by anyone since what He says is always correct...
given those words Pilate is clearly guilty. so those who voted 'innocent' are simply wrong.
this ends the debate in the topic since Jesus Christ cannot be wrong as He's God.
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Post by goz on Apr 3, 2019 23:12:50 GMT
Guilty ; that's not debatable either given the words of Jesus Christ Himself which cannot be questioned by anyone since what He says is always correct... given those words Pilate is clearly guilty. so those who voted 'innocent' are simply wrong. this ends the debate in the topic since Jesus Christ cannot be wrong as He's God. I hate to break it to you, butt you can't stop debate by claiming you are right when others disagree with you. 
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Post by goz on Apr 3, 2019 23:14:57 GMT
Guilty ; that's not debatable either given the words of Jesus Christ Himself which cannot be questioned by anyone since what He says is always correct... given those words Pilate is clearly guilty. so those who voted 'innocent' are simply wrong. this ends the debate in the topic since Jesus Christ cannot be wrong as He's God. Can't really argue with that. Of course you can, and I do. IF Jesus is God (?) and God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, then Pilate is not guilty as he was just fulfilling God's plan to kill his son(?) and resurrect him(?) and start Christianity.
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Post by goz on Apr 3, 2019 23:20:36 GMT
I like cake as long as it is reasonably healthy and nutritious as well as yummy.
I have several recipes for Turkish orange cake, almond cake and carrot and zucchini cake that are wonderful however I don't want to be moved to the Food Board, so they are upon request only.
As regards the other part of the topic...meh...fictitious stuff is fictitious stuff, butt owing to its importance in modern Christian society, worth a debate. NOT saying Herod and Pontius Pilate and Herod were fictitious, just the story of Jesus could be seen as a bit dodgy IMHO
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