Marendil
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Post by Marendil on Apr 9, 2019 3:32:01 GMT
What does this mean? I've seen it a few times recently and can't figure it out. Usually the Urban Dictionary helps me out, but no joy on this one.
In my opinion Daenerys has already 'won' pretty much no matter what she ends up doing in Season Eight. She pledged to defend the Realm against the menace that would destroy all life in Westeros at the potential cost of her own safety and ambitions. If it's true she fries Tyrion for treason or somesuch, oh, well. We don't know what caused Cersei to (publicly) reverse course so drastically after talking to Tyrion and it could well be something Dany can't let slide.
Also, it's another reason Cersei sucks. Like Littlefinger, she is willing to let the realm burn so long as she gets to rule over the ashes. I don't know why anyone would root for a person like that. It's just a TV show and sometimes I find myself rooting for the 'Bad Guys' too, especially if I find the good guys annoying some or all of the time. For example I fell in love with Alliser Thorne's character when he scratched his fingernails on the chalkboard1 and delivered this monologue:
Yeah, he was a crusty old prick but he was right about everything he said here, even implying Sam's only use to the Watch at this juncture (because he wasn't even trying) was first into the soup pot when winter got ugly. He had legitimate reasons to dislike Jon and Sam I enjoyed every little dig Thorne gave them, even though I grew to like them both.
Littlefinger had some very interesting perspectives and gave some great advice, right up until the end. I'm glad his character was on the show. I could see why some might root for him, and I did too sometimes, though I was never under any illusions as to what he was.
1 Jaws reference.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 9, 2019 3:37:28 GMT
Also, it's another reason Cersei sucks. Like Littlefinger, she is willing to let the realm burn so long as she gets to rule over the ashes. I don't know why anyone would root for a person like that. It's just a TV show and sometimes I find myself rooting for the 'Bad Guys' too, especially if I find the good guys annoying some or all of the time. For example I fell in love with Alliser Thorne's character when he scratched his fingernails on the chalkboard1 and delivered this monologue:
Yeah, he was a crusty old prick but he was right about everything he said here, even implying Sam's only use to the Watch at this juncture (because he wasn't even trying) was first into the soup pot when winter got ugly. He had legitimate reasons to dislike Jon and Sam I enjoyed every little dig Thorne gave them, even though I grew to like them both.
Littlefinger had some very interesting perspectives and gave some great advice, right up until the end. I'm glad his character was on the show. I could see why some might root for him, and I did too sometimes, though I was never under any illusions as to what he was.
1 Jaws reference.
Well, yea, bad guys are usually some of the most interesting. But it is important to realize they are the bad guys with characteristics that decent people just don't have. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 9, 2019 6:06:58 GMT
What does this mean? I've seen it a few times recently and can't figure it out. Usually the Urban Dictionary helps me out, but no joy on this one.
In my opinion Daenerys has already 'won' pretty much no matter what she ends up doing in Season Eight. She pledged to defend the Realm against the menace that would destroy all life in Westeros at the potential cost of her own safety and ambitions. If it's true she fries Tyrion for treason or somesuch, oh, well. We don't know what caused Cersei to (publicly) reverse course so drastically after talking to Tyrion and it could well be something Dany can't let slide.
Also, it's another reason Cersei sucks. Like Littlefinger, she is willing to let the realm burn so long as she gets to rule over the ashes. I don't know why anyone would root for a person like that. So you are also taking Varys' manipulating statements to others as truth. I'm not calling you an idiot to insult you, only because that's what you are.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 9, 2019 6:26:50 GMT
It's just a TV show and sometimes I find myself rooting for the 'Bad Guys' too, especially if I find the good guys annoying some or all of the time. For example I fell in love with Alliser Thorne's character when he scratched his fingernails on the chalkboard 1 and delivered this monologue: Yeah, he was a crusty old prick but he was right about everything he said here, even implying Sam's only use to the Watch at this juncture (because he wasn't even trying) was first into the soup pot when winter got ugly. He had legitimate reasons to dislike Jon and Sam I enjoyed every little dig Thorne gave them, even though I grew to like them both. Littlefinger had some very interesting perspectives and gave some great advice, right up until the end. I'm glad his character was on the show. I could see why some might root for him, and I did too sometimes, though I was never under any illusions as to what he was. I don't root for bad guys but Thorne wasn't really one. He was a prick, on that we agree, and he was right about everything. Jon Snow was incompetent and ended up being the one enabling the Night King to pass the Wall. He should have better stayed dead and Thorne alive. Maybe Thorne would have had dragonglass-headed pikes and arrows made instead. Littlefinger was a criminal, having people killed for his own advancement. He said a few valuable truths and I often made the point that his crimes were less damaging than Ned Stark's stupid honour but I would never support him more that a means to a end, a necessary ally, like the Boltons were. Varys is the bigger criminal, the one who is ready to wield state power in a much broader scope, to the point of starting invasion wars for a mere change of ruler. While I dislike both, I'd rather have someone murder a minister or even assassinate a king than bring Dothraki and dragons to my shores. These two are nicely devised to show that the selfish man out for just himself gathers only limited, reluctant support and finally achieves less damage than the soft worded liar who lets fools believe in working for some disastrous common good.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 9, 2019 6:39:41 GMT
And I definitely don't feel the need to create a character on a message board dedicated to a brother fucking c_nt of a queen who has proven incapable of ruling, leading, or protecting those she "loves." But then again, I'm not as smart as you. I'm originally here in support of Tywin Lannister. You're right on that last point.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 9, 2019 6:51:07 GMT
Also, it's another reason Cersei sucks. Like Littlefinger, she is willing to let the realm burn so long as she gets to rule over the ashes. I don't know why anyone would root for a person like that. So you are also taking Varys' manipulating statements to others as truth. I'm not calling you an idiot to insult you, only because that's what you are. Just because he was manipulating, doesn't mean he wasn't speaking the truth. The best manipulations usually play out that way. And it applies to Cersei 100%. |
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 9, 2019 6:52:01 GMT
And I definitely don't feel the need to create a character on a message board dedicated to a brother fucking c_nt of a queen who has proven incapable of ruling, leading, or protecting those she "loves." But then again, I'm not as smart as you. I'm originally here in support of Tywin Lannister. You're right on that last point. And when he died you trolled right over to his daughter? |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 9, 2019 6:58:57 GMT
So you are also taking Varys' manipulating statements to others as truth. I'm not calling you an idiot to insult you, only because that's what you are. Just because he was manipulating, doesn't mean he wasn't speaking the truth. The best manipulations usually play out that way. And it applies to Cersei 100%. Except when he's wrong. Littlefinger's operation is surgical, removing just what is needed for him to jump into the preserved structure that benefits him while staying otherwise intact and functioning. That's why Littlefinger offers Ned to control and pressure Joffrey instead of starting a destructive war, as the dumb dog decides to do. Then Varys comes up with a platitude saying the exact opposite and fools decide to believe him because they dislike Littlefinger. Fools like dogs too.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 9, 2019 7:02:40 GMT
I'm originally here in support of Tywin Lannister. You're right on that last point. And when he died you trolled right over to his daughter? Never seen a troll, have you? 
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 9, 2019 7:13:52 GMT
Just because he was manipulating, doesn't mean he wasn't speaking the truth. The best manipulations usually play out that way. And it applies to Cersei 100%. Except when he's wrong. Littlefinger's operation is surgical, removing just what is needed for him to jump into the preserved structure that benefits him while staying otherwise intact and functioning. That's why Littlefinger offers Ned to control and pressure Joffrey instead of starting a destructive war, as the dumb dog decides to do. Then Varys comes up with a platitude saying the exact opposite and fools decide to believe him because they dislike Littlefinger. Fools like dogs too. Oh, I don't disagree with your assessment. Just your conclusion. You fail to finish the thought. There is nothing he wouldn't do to get ahead. If you think he would stop short of letting the realm burn, you are (objectively) mistaken. It didn't come to that, but I have no doubt about it. The same with Cersei. |
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 9, 2019 7:14:18 GMT
And when he died you trolled right over to his daughter? Never seen a troll, have you? Cute picture. You are no lion. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 9, 2019 7:50:34 GMT
Except when he's wrong. Littlefinger's operation is surgical, removing just what is needed for him to jump into the preserved structure that benefits him while staying otherwise intact and functioning. That's why Littlefinger offers Ned to control and pressure Joffrey instead of starting a destructive war, as the dumb dog decides to do. Then Varys comes up with a platitude saying the exact opposite and fools decide to believe him because they dislike Littlefinger. Fools like dogs too. Oh, I don't disagree with your assessment. Just your conclusion. You fail to finish the thought. There is nothing he wouldn't do to get ahead. If you think he would stop short of letting the realm burn, you are (objectively) mistaken. It didn't come to that, but I have no doubt about it. The same with Cersei. Jumping to your own conclusions here. We don't know but we can see that Littlefinger's actions were all less damaging that those of the various warlords who let armies loose (Robb Stark, Renly, Stannis, Daenerys and of course Ned who didn't do it but consciously decided to kick it all off). As to Cersei, she acts purely in self-defence but fools fail to see it and little collectivist scum refuse to accept the legitimacy of it.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 9, 2019 7:52:23 GMT
Never seen a troll, have you? Cute picture. You are no lion. Someone said that to me before. Denial doesn't help, you know?
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 9, 2019 8:09:48 GMT
Oh, I don't disagree with your assessment. Just your conclusion. You fail to finish the thought. There is nothing he wouldn't do to get ahead. If you think he would stop short of letting the realm burn, you are (objectively) mistaken. It didn't come to that, but I have no doubt about it. The same with Cersei. Jumping to your own conclusions here. We don't know but we can see that Littlefinger's actions were all less damaging that those of the various warlords who let armies loose (Robb Stark, Renly, Stannis, Daenerys and of course Ned who didn't do it but consciously decided to kick it all off). As to Cersei, she acts purely in self-defence but fools fail to see it and little collectivist scum refuse to accept the legitimacy of it. Littlefinger's actions led to many of those warloards letting loose their armies. So no, we cannot all see how his actions were less damaging than the actions of others he set in motion. And of course Ned started it by doing what was right. Those kids had no right to the thrown, and Cersei should have been beheaded as a traitor. You say she has acted in self defense, but it is due to her actions that she needs to be on the defense. They tried to kill Bran as self defense. That makes it ok? Maybe if she wasn't a spoiled self centered "lion" she wouldn't just do whatever the fuck she wanted. Then she'd have no need to defend herself. |
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 9, 2019 8:11:42 GMT
Cute picture. You are no lion. Someone said that to me before. Denial doesn't help, you know? I believe it, yet it is the second sharpest tool in your bag. Just behind your superior intellect. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 9, 2019 8:17:28 GMT
Jumping to your own conclusions here. We don't know but we can see that Littlefinger's actions were all less damaging that those of the various warlords who let armies loose (Robb Stark, Renly, Stannis, Daenerys and of course Ned who didn't do it but consciously decided to kick it all off). As to Cersei, she acts purely in self-defence but fools fail to see it and little collectivist scum refuse to accept the legitimacy of it. Littlefinger's actions led to many of those warloards letting loose their armies. So no, we cannot all see how his actions were less damaging than the actions of others he set in motion. And of course Ned started it by doing what was right. Those kids had no right to the thrown, and Cersei should have been beheaded as a traitor. You say she has acted in self defense, but it is due to her actions that she needs to be on the defense. They tried to kill Bran as self defense. That makes it ok? Maybe if she wasn't a spoiled self centered "lion" she would just do whatever the fuck she wanted. Then she'd have no need to defend herself. And here we go with the classical biased choice of responsible. The man doing the deed is responsible for doing the deed, not the man who did something else that gave motivation. You are judging the people you dislike for perceived intention more than for what they actually do and you are excusing the actual criminals for being provoked by the man you dislike. In short, you are not just an idiot but also a stinking piece of shit. Go flush yourself.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 9, 2019 8:26:35 GMT
Littlefinger's actions led to many of those warloards letting loose their armies. So no, we cannot all see how his actions were less damaging than the actions of others he set in motion. And of course Ned started it by doing what was right. Those kids had no right to the thrown, and Cersei should have been beheaded as a traitor. You say she has acted in self defense, but it is due to her actions that she needs to be on the defense. They tried to kill Bran as self defense. That makes it ok? Maybe if she wasn't a spoiled self centered "lion" she would just do whatever the fuck she wanted. Then she'd have no need to defend herself. And here we go with the classical biased choice of responsible. The man doing the deed is responsible for doing the deed, not the man who did something else that gave motivation. You are judging the people you dislike for perceived intention more than for what they actually do and you are excusing the actual criminals for being provoked by the man you dislike. In short, you are not just an idiot but also a stinking piece of shit. Go flush yourself. Wow, let me try that. You're an idiot and a feckless debater. Yeah, name calling feels good. Of course the responsibility lay at his feet. He knew exactly what would happen when he killed Jon Arryn. He knew what would happen by pitting the Lannisters against the Starks. But clearly, you as a man with no honor would be ok with your friend being murdered. You would be ok with dad being imprisoned. You'd be ok with your spot in line for the thrown being taken by bastards of insest. You are no Lion. |
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 9, 2019 8:41:54 GMT
And I don't hate Littlefinger, or Cercei for that matter, as a fan of GOT.
They are simply characters. Amazing characters who do evil and selfish things for their own benefit.
Many of the characters do evil and selfish things. But to kid yourself and say that they are employing "self defense," or that they can't be blamed for the reactions to their deeds is silly.
Without the twos selfish plotting, there is no game of thrones.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 9, 2019 10:45:44 GMT
And here we go with the classical biased choice of responsible. The man doing the deed is responsible for doing the deed, not the man who did something else that gave motivation. You are judging the people you dislike for perceived intention more than for what they actually do and you are excusing the actual criminals for being provoked by the man you dislike. In short, you are not just an idiot but also a stinking piece of shit. Go flush yourself. Wow, let me try that. You're an idiot and a feckless debater. Yeah, name calling feels good. You are not worth debating with. That's what the name calling is for. A signal it's time for you to fuck off.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 9, 2019 12:25:46 GMT
Wow, let me try that. You're an idiot and a feckless debater. Yeah, name calling feels good. You are not worth debating with. That's what the name calling is for. A signal it's time for you to fuck off. Ok. Bye brother fucker. You posted to me first. Show your astronomical intellect and don't make the same mistake again.
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