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Post by faustus5 on Apr 8, 2019 10:24:33 GMT
I Do Not believe the USA exists. Grow up, fuckwit.
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Post by faustus5 on Apr 8, 2019 10:26:29 GMT
None of this is proof nor evidence that God doesn’t exist. Correct. I'm waiting for you believers to convince me that
A. You know what you are saying when you say "God"; and
B. And that this God thing exists.
Until you do both of those things, I don't believe in your God.
All of this will go right over your head.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 8, 2019 10:29:47 GMT
None of this is proof nor evidence that God doesn’t exist. Correct. I'm waiting for you believers to convince me that
A. You know what you are saying when you say "God"; and
B. And that this God thing exists.
Until you do both of those things, I don't believe in your God.
All of this will go right over your head.
Give me one specific good reason why you don’t believe.
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Post by faustus5 on Apr 8, 2019 10:30:56 GMT
Give me one specific good reason why you don’t believe. I gave you two. Deal with it.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 8, 2019 10:31:55 GMT
Give me one specific good reason why you don’t believe. I gave you two. Deal with it. Not really. You presented me with a challenge.
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Post by faustus5 on Apr 8, 2019 10:45:52 GMT
Not really. You presented me with a challenge. Correct. I will never take you people seriously until you are clear about what you mean by "God" and give me good reasons to believe this thing exists. You are probably in a similar situation when it comes to belief in Odin and Thor.
It is as simple as that, and you will forever fail on both counts.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 8, 2019 10:49:38 GMT
Not really. You presented me with a challenge. Correct. I will never take you people seriously until you are clear about what you mean by "God" and give me good reasons to believe this thing exists. You are probably in a similar situation when it comes to belief in Odin and Thor.
It is as simple as that, and you will forever fail on both counts.
By God I mean a transcendent being who is the creator of the universe. Now for the third time give me one good reason why you believe God doesn’t exist.
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 8, 2019 12:54:47 GMT
Nah, I’m too old to start doing that kinda stuff. I’ll probably say one word outside the agnostic doctrine and then all hell will break loose (or won’t). Yes, I neglected to mention that the fines and penalties for NOT knowing and believing nothing are far worse than even the subscription fees. The agnostic atheists police are omnipotent and omniscient and omnipresent. They are only recognisable because they wear diaphanous rainbow shirts with flowers in their hair and they stop to pat all animals 24/7, when not disguised as butterflies. Actually I tend to look at people who have to place others in a limited number of clearly defined boxes as nothing more than trainspotters and people having opinions which don't belong in those clearly defined boxes seem to cause them problems so they have to insult the intelligence of those people. Luckily my intelligence is very modest.
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Post by thefleetsin on Apr 8, 2019 14:23:28 GMT
knock knock.
who's there?
nobody.
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Post by rizdek on Apr 8, 2019 15:12:09 GMT
Correct. I'm waiting for you believers to convince me that
A. You know what you are saying when you say "God"; and
B. And that this God thing exists.
Until you do both of those things, I don't believe in your God.
All of this will go right over your head.
Give me one specific good reason why you don’t believe. Have you heard of alien abductions? Do you believe they have happened? Why or why not?
Have you heard of Nemesis? (look it up) Do you believe it exists or not? Why or why not?
Do you believe there is life on other planets/moons in the Solar System? Why or why not?
Many Icelanders believe in elves? Do you? Why or why not?
Many claim to have seen a large creature often referred to as big foot? Do you believe in big foot? Why or why not?
The way I see it, when someone makes a claim it's not up to me to disprove it. I'm perfectly in the right to reject ideas until I am convinced that idea is right/true. After I became an atheist ~35 years ago, I have not been convinced there is a god of the sort most think of when they say the word. That means that I don't believe there is a god...no proof, no evidence needed to reject the unfounded.
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Post by faustus5 on Apr 8, 2019 16:54:02 GMT
By God I mean a transcendent being who is the creator of the universe. What does that even mean? I doubt you even know and are just obediently repeating what you've heard from theologians, who also don't know. What attributes does a transcendent being have? How does such a being come to be? How does it create an entire universe? Do we know that the universe was even created in the first place? I don't believe in a God because A) you people can't even give me an intelligent and meaningful description of what this being is; and B) you people can't give me reasons to think this thing exists in the first place. Until both of these tasks are accomplished, the idea that this thing exists seems absurd and I can't be bothered to entertain the notion that it exists. I'm not denying that a god exists, I just think the concept is silly and there is no evidence, so that means the probability of there being a god is effectively, if not literally, zero.
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Post by rizdek on Apr 8, 2019 18:31:35 GMT
Correct. I will never take you people seriously until you are clear about what you mean by "God" and give me good reasons to believe this thing exists. You are probably in a similar situation when it comes to belief in Odin and Thor.
It is as simple as that, and you will forever fail on both counts.
By God I mean a transcendent being who is the creator of the universe. Now for the third time give me one good reason why you believe God doesn’t exist. I don't know what transcendent means...transcendent to what?
But that aside...as to the universe having been created, I'm quite convinced the universe was not created by an intelligent, good, omnipotent being...transcendent or otherwise.
First, claiming the universe was created solves nothing because any conundrum we face in explaining the universe still has to be explained when considering the transcendent being.
Second, as I look around at the suffering in the world, I am comfortable in concluding nothing with intelligence and benevolence would have "designed" a universe to be like this one is.
If another kind of being ( ie one indifferent to humans) created the universe for some other reason e.g. to "see what evolves," to experiment with black holes or watch stars go supernova, then it doesn't seem all that important whether I believe in it or not.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 8, 2019 18:34:26 GMT
I am not sure if I need any proof or evidence that my friend has not committed a murder.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 8, 2019 18:50:05 GMT
To extrapolate on what Aj_june said, imagine if our court system worked pretty much on your reasoning, ie "Well you can't prove he didn't shoot that guy!"*gets death sentence* That's the level of absurdity you're arguing.
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Post by goz on Apr 8, 2019 21:22:42 GMT
Being neither an atheist nor a theist in the religious sense, there is confusion abound on both sides of the fence. An atheist entertains the notion of God to even refute it, so God is still at the core of the non-belief. The question then, who is it that is really God? I was going to give Cody this example, however he ignores me because he can't cope with my logic and calm reason. Say I have an apple and you have an apple in our hands. I give you my apple. I don't have an apple anymore so what do I have? I have nothing...an absence of apple...no apple at all. To not have an apple, I don't necessarily need to have no concept of what an apple constitutes. I may have a memory of an apple however NOW I don't have one and THERE IS NOTHING in its place (unless you play silly buggers and say it is air or some other inconsequential semantic stupidity) Atheism is merely am absence of apple/belief in God.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 8, 2019 22:50:46 GMT
I don't believe in God for the same reason I don't believe in ghosts. Lack of evidence. Prior to 1676 there was no evidence of bacteria and yet they existed all the while. Just because you haven’t personally discovered the evidence for God yet, there are various reasons why that is, does not mean he’s not out there. The supposed lack of evidence is neither proof, nor evidence that God doesn’t exist.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 8, 2019 23:02:30 GMT
I don't believe in God for the same reason I don't believe in ghosts. Lack of evidence. Prior to 1676 there was no evidence of bacteria and yet they existed all the while. Just because you haven’t personally discovered the evidence for God yet, there are various reasons why that is, does not mean he’s not out there. The supposed lack of evidence is neither proof, nor evidence that God doesn’t exist. "Prior to 1676 there was no evidence of bacteria and yet they existed all the while." Well that's rather the point, up until 1676 there was no actual good reason to believe in bacteria since there was no actual evidence of it. That's all the atheism (or at least agnostic atheism) means. Very few atheists would actually say "God doesn't exist. Even Richard Dawkins wouldn't say that, what he and others like him would say is there is currently no good reasons for believing in one. Could there one day be evidence discovered for a "God"? I can't definitely say no, but until that day there's currently no actual evidence for one and by proxy a good reason for believing in one.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 8, 2019 23:10:00 GMT
Prior to 1676 there was no evidence of bacteria and yet they existed all the while. Just because you haven’t personally discovered the evidence for God yet, there are various reasons why that is, does not mean he’s not out there. The supposed lack of evidence is neither proof, nor evidence that God doesn’t exist. "Prior to 1676 there was no evidence of bacteria and yet they existed all the while." Well that's rather the point, up until 1676 there was no actual good reason to believe in bacteria since there was no actual evidence of it. That's all the atheism (or at least agnostic atheism) means. Very few atheists would actually say "God doesn't exist. Even Richard Dawkins wouldn't say that, what he and others like him would say is there is currently no good reasons for believing in one. Could there one day be evidence discovered for a "God"? I can't definitely say no, but until that day there's currently no actual evidence for one and by proxy a good reason for believing in one. There is plenty of evidence for God though. You just lack the tiny snippet of faith required to see it.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 8, 2019 23:11:13 GMT
"Prior to 1676 there was no evidence of bacteria and yet they existed all the while." Well that's rather the point, up until 1676 there was no actual good reason to believe in bacteria since there was no actual evidence of it. That's all the atheism (or at least agnostic atheism) means. Very few atheists would actually say "God doesn't exist. Even Richard Dawkins wouldn't say that, what he and others like him would say is there is currently no good reasons for believing in one. Could there one day be evidence discovered for a "God"? I can't definitely say no, but until that day there's currently no actual evidence for one and by proxy a good reason for believing in one. There is plenty of evidence for God though. You just lack the tiny snippet of faith required to see it. There really isn't. The "evidence" is either terrible arguments or personal experience claims.
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Post by progressiveelement on Apr 8, 2019 23:11:26 GMT
A lifetime of exposure to the tools of war.
A situation that should surely not continue to exist in 2019, under the guidance of a celestial overseer.
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