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Post by Jep Gambardella on Apr 8, 2019 14:41:31 GMT
I am doing a complete re-watch before the last season starts (15 episodes to go!) and I noticed something interesting on a scene from a season 5 episode. Samwell Tarly is reading a message received over the raven network to Maester Aemon, concerning Daenerys Targaryen. Maester Aemon feels sorry for the poor girl who's all alone, with her only remaining family thousands of miles away. Right then, Jon Snow enters.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 8, 2019 14:59:58 GMT
I remember noticing this when it aired. One episode before, Stannis was watching him in the courtyard and saying having bastards was not Ned Stark's way, then Littlefinger was making a skewed face at Sansa telling about Rhaegar kidnapping Lyanna. Crumbs were all over the place.
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Post by DSDSquared on Apr 8, 2019 15:40:54 GMT
I remember noticing this when it aired. One episode before, Stannis was watching him in the courtyard and saying having bastards was not Ned Stark's way, then Littlefinger was making a skewed face at Sansa telling about Rhaegar kidnapping Lyanna. Crumbs were all over the place. They even started hinted at it as early as season one. Game of Thrones spoils their own show all of the time. It just requires attention to small details. For instance, the Red Wedding was spoiled many times all throughout season three.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 8, 2019 16:47:25 GMT
The foreshadowing that you are talking about isn't of that big value if people don't interpret the foreshadowing when they actually happened. Sometimes (though I am not necessarily indicating in this instance) people can read too much into it because they now know the future. Jon Snow appears in about every episode of the show.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 8, 2019 17:20:48 GMT
The foreshadowing that you are talking about isn't of that big value if people don't interpret the foreshadowing when they actually happened. Sometimes (though I am not necessarily indicating in this instance) people can read too much into it because they now know the future. Jon Snow appears in about every episode of the show. I have seen several remember this very occurrence after they saw the reveal of Jon's parentage, so it did work, even though they weren't conscious of it at the time. For those who watched S5 as it aired and took part in discussions on the Internet, it was a big hint because the R+L theory was all over the place.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 8, 2019 17:38:58 GMT
The foreshadowing that you are talking about isn't of that big value if people don't interpret the foreshadowing when they actually happened. Sometimes (though I am not necessarily indicating in this instance) people can read too much into it because they now know the future. Jon Snow appears in about every episode of the show. I have seen several remember this very occurrence after they saw the reveal of Jon's parentage, so it did work, even though they weren't conscious of it at the time. For those who watched S5 as it aired and took part in discussions on the Internet, it was a big hint because the R+L theory was all over the place. That is true. But R+L had been figured out through books more than a decade ago. I am not saying that no show viewer might have interpreted these clues correctly but that effectively very few did and to some extent credit for that also goes to theories developed earlier. Now that things have become clearer, people usually tend to see more clues than actually were presented.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Apr 8, 2019 18:03:21 GMT
The foreshadowing that you are talking about isn't of that big value if people don't interpret the foreshadowing when they actually happened. Sometimes (though I am not necessarily indicating in this instance) people can read too much into it because they now know the future. Jon Snow appears in about every episode of the show. On this instance, there is no way that it can be a coincidence that Jon Snow appears just as Maester Aemon says something like "her only remaining relative thousands of miles away".
One other interesting detail that I noticed is that Lady Lyanna Mormont is mentioned long before her first appearance. There is a scene where Stannis reads a raven message that he received from her where she wrote something like "House Mormont's allegiance is to the true King in the North and his name is Stark". He then says something about her being a ten-year old child.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 8, 2019 19:49:03 GMT
The foreshadowing that you are talking about isn't of that big value if people don't interpret the foreshadowing when they actually happened. Sometimes (though I am not necessarily indicating in this instance) people can read too much into it because they now know the future. Jon Snow appears in about every episode of the show. I like it even better that way, for a reveal to happen like the one in "The Prestige" or "The Sixth Sense" where I'm not expecting anything of the sort, but all of a sudden it comes and all the hints come flooding back and I go "of course!"
"The Murder of Roger Acroyd" is like that, by Agatha Christie. An interesting aside, that particular twist was suggested to her by Lord Mountbatten, British war hero and the last Viceroy of India.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 8, 2019 21:00:14 GMT
I am doing a complete re-watch before the last season starts (15 episodes to go!) and I noticed something interesting on a scene from a season 5 episode. Samwell Tarly is reading a message received over the raven network to Maester Aemon, concerning Daenerys Targaryen. Maester Aemon feels sorry for the poor girl who's all alone, with her only remaining family thousands of miles away. Right then, Jon Snow enters. I don't believe so, but was it revealed, or is it believed, that Maester Aemon was aware of who Jon Snow really was? Otherwise this scene is more of a nod to him being Dany's great uncle. It may be a writer's/ director's foreshadowing of the Jon Snow reveal, but in the actual plot it foreshadows him being Aemon Targaryen. |
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Apr 8, 2019 21:29:18 GMT
I am doing a complete re-watch before the last season starts (15 episodes to go!) and I noticed something interesting on a scene from a season 5 episode. Samwell Tarly is reading a message received over the raven network to Maester Aemon, concerning Daenerys Targaryen. Maester Aemon feels sorry for the poor girl who's all alone, with her only remaining family thousands of miles away. Right then, Jon Snow enters. I don't believe so, but was it revealed, or is it believed, that Maester Aemon was aware of who Jon Snow really was? Otherwise this scene is more of a nod to him being Dany's great uncle. It may be a writer's/ director's foreshadowing of the Jon Snow reveal, but in the actual plot it foreshadows him being Aemon Targaryen. I don't think Maester Aemon had any inkling about the identity of Jon Snow's biological parents.
The scene happens after it was revealed that the Maester was a Targaryen - in fact that is exactly why he said "her only remaining family is thousands of miles away" - he was talking about himself!
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 8, 2019 23:43:33 GMT
I have seen several remember this very occurrence after they saw the reveal of Jon's parentage, so it did work, even though they weren't conscious of it at the time. For those who watched S5 as it aired and took part in discussions on the Internet, it was a big hint because the R+L theory was all over the place. That is true. But R+L had been figured out through books more than a decade ago. I am not saying that no show viewer might have interpreted these clues correctly but that effectively very few did and to some extent credit for that also goes to theories developed earlier. Now that things have become clearer, people usually tend to see more clues than actually were presented. I was surprised to see reactors come up with just that entry of Jon after Aemon's remark right after they saw the reveal. They weren't exposed to theories and still made that connection. Here's one. Turn subtitles on, it's in Spanish: You and I were probably spoiled rotten by discussions before anything happened, so I'll never know if I would have guessed but some do. Look at this one trying to figure out the Tower of Joy scene, not getting it first: Then one episode later, out of nowhere, things come together:
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 9, 2019 0:08:25 GMT
One other interesting detail that I noticed is that Lady Lyanna Mormont is mentioned long before her first appearance. There is a scene where Roose Bolton reads to Ramsay a raven message that he received from her where she wrote something like "House Mormont's allegiance is to the true King in the North and his name is Stark". He then says something about her being a ten-year old child. Yes, everything builds up on everything. You'll find more of this if you keep looking. Robert to Ned about Sansa's direwolf in S1E02: "Give her a dog, she'll be better for it". Then in S1E08, when the Hound fetches her to bring her to safety, he says the queen sends him. Later on: Joffrey, S2E04: "My mother insists on keeping you alive." The Hound, S2E07: "You'll be glad of the hateful things I do someday when you're queen and I'm all that stands between you and your beloved king." The Hound is not prepared to go against the king without the backing of someone who can save him from the consequences. Everything he does for Sansa until the battle of Blackwater is on Cersei's behalf.
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Post by hehatesshe on Apr 9, 2019 0:23:30 GMT
One other interesting detail that I noticed is that Lady Lyanna Mormont is mentioned long before her first appearance. There is a scene where Roose Bolton reads to Ramsay a raven message that he received from her where she wrote something like "House Mormont's allegiance is to the true King in the North and his name is Stark". He then says something about her being a ten-year old child. Yes, everything builds up on everything. You'll find more of this if you keep looking. Robert to Ned about Sansa's direwolf in S1E02: "Give her a dog, she'll be better for it". Then in S1E08, when the Hound fetches her to bring her to safety, he says the queen sends him. Later on: Joffrey, S2E04: "My mother insists on keeping you alive." The Hound, S2E07: "You'll be glad of the hateful things I do someday when you're queen and I'm all that stands between you and your beloved king." The Hound is not prepared to go against the king without the backing of someone who can save him from the consequences. Everything he does for Sansa until the battle of Blackwater is on Cersei's behalf. In S1E8, the Hound does not fetch Sansa to bring her to safety anymore than Payne was sent to fetch Arya to bring her to safety. They were to be used as pawns. That's why they were upset Arya got away. Not because she wasn't safe anymore, but because they couldn't use her. |
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