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Post by Skaathar on Apr 8, 2019 17:58:00 GMT
Think about it:
Tony Stark in Civil War and Infinity War had way more pathos and gravity than in any of his other movies.
Thor's most heartfelt and emotionally powerful moments were in Infinity War when he was telling Rocket his life story and tanking that neutron star.
I don't think I even need to mention how Captain America's most emotional moments were in TWS, CW and IW.
Now it seems they're doing it again with Captain Marvel. Though I didn't hate Brie's performance in CM as much as others, I do think her Carol Danvers was a bit lacking and somewhat wooden. Yet she displayed way more gravity and empathy in these short Endgame trailers we've seen than in her entire movie.
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Post by hobowar on Apr 8, 2019 18:11:18 GMT
I still prefer Joss Whedon's interpretation of every character he was involved with. He seems to be one of the only filmmakers who fully understands the point of superheros in my opinion. Ryan Coogler would have also been a better choice to direct the last two Avengers movies.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 8, 2019 18:15:30 GMT
Think about it: Tony Stark in Civil War and Infinity War had way more pathos and gravity than in any of his other movies. Thor's most heartfelt and emotionally powerful moments were in Infinity War when he was telling Rocket his life story and tanking that neutron star. I don't think I even need to mention how Captain America's most emotional moments were in TWS, CW and IW. Now it seems they're doing it again with Captain Marvel. Though I didn't hate Brie's performance in CM as much as others, I do think her Carol Danvers was a bit lacking and somewhat wooden. Yet she displayed way more gravity and empathy in these short Endgame trailers we've seen than in her entire movie. Their advantage is usually that they get to explore characters in their later appearances as opposed to introducing them to the audience. But even T'Challa is somehow more compelling in Civil War than he is in his own film (at least in my opinion). I think it has more to do with the more serious tone of the stories in their films in general. If you were to list the least whimsical MCU films, it would be TWS, CW, BP, IW and Endgame. Four of those five are Russo projects.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 8, 2019 18:21:18 GMT
Think about it: Tony Stark in Civil War and Infinity War had way more pathos and gravity than in any of his other movies. Thor's most heartfelt and emotionally powerful moments were in Infinity War when he was telling Rocket his life story and tanking that neutron star. I don't think I even need to mention how Captain America's most emotional moments were in TWS, CW and IW. Now it seems they're doing it again with Captain Marvel. Though I didn't hate Brie's performance in CM as much as others, I do think her Carol Danvers was a bit lacking and somewhat wooden. Yet she displayed way more gravity and empathy in these short Endgame trailers we've seen than in her entire movie. Their advantage is usually that they get to explore characters in their later appearances as opposed to introducing them to the audience. But even T'Challa is somehow more compelling in Civil War than he is in his own film (at least in my opinion). I think it has more to do with the more serious tone of the stories in their films in general. If you were to list the least whimsical MCU films, it would be TWS, CW, BP, IW and Endgame. Four of those five are Russo projects. True, I forgot about Black Panther. I agree that he was more magnetic (in a quiet way) in CW than in his own movie. Same with Peter Parker's emotional vulnerability.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 8, 2019 18:22:54 GMT
I still prefer Joss Whedon's interpretation of every character he was involved with. He seems to be one of the only filmmakers who fully understands the point of superheros in my opinion. Ryan Coogler would have also been a better choice to direct the last two Avengers movies. What Whedon did with Avengers was incredible. He took all of those characters and made a cohesive story with them. He understood what people wanted to see with those characters. And in the case of Banner/Hulk and Black Widow, he pretty much invented new personalities for them on the fly. He even expanded on Loki's character. Making that story work and giving all those characters something to do was no small feat. Another thing you notice when watching the first two Avengers films is how much care Whedon puts into specific shots involving the heroes. He goes out of his way to film shots that look like comic panels, none of the other MCU directors have bothered doing that. All that said, he went off the deep end with the self-indulgent comedy in AoU and I just can't see IW and Endgame having the same gravitas with Whedon instead of the Russo's.
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Post by hobowar on Apr 8, 2019 18:35:40 GMT
I still prefer Joss Whedon's interpretation of every character he was involved with. He seems to be one of the only filmmakers who fully understands the point of superheros in my opinion. Ryan Coogler would have also been a better choice to direct the last two Avengers movies. What Whedon did with Avengers was incredible. He took all of those characters and made a cohesive story with them. He understood what people wanted to see with those characters. And in the case of Banner/Hulk and Black Widow, he pretty much invented new personalities for them on the fly. He even expanded on Loki's character. Making that story work and giving all those characters something to do was no small feat. Another thing you notice when watching the first two Avengers films is how much care Whedon puts into specific shots involving the heroes. He goes out of his way to film shots that look like comic panels, none of the other MCU directors have bothered doing that. All that said, he went off the deep end with the self-indulgent comedy in AoU and I just can't see IW and Endgame having the same gravitas with Whedon instead of the Russo's. I think one of the main reasons I preferred AoU to anything the Russo's did was that they focus too much on punching in the third act where Whedon focused more on getting civilians to safety. The lack of cheese and comedy was one of Infinity War's biggest problems as well although they seemed have turned up the cheese in Endgame a little bit. This clip is probably the best example of why I can't bring myself to love any of action from the Russo's so far.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 8, 2019 18:59:35 GMT
This clip is probably the best example of why I can't bring myself to love any of action from the Russo's so far. That scene is incredible. Great example of the magic that exists in the MCU.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 8, 2019 19:03:25 GMT
Which is why i'm looking forward to their take on Captain Marvel.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 8, 2019 19:09:01 GMT
I still prefer Joss Whedon's interpretation of every character he was involved with. He seems to be one of the only filmmakers who fully understands the point of superheros in my opinion. Ryan Coogler would have also been a better choice to direct the last two Avengers movies. What Whedon did with Avengers was incredible. He took all of those characters and made a cohesive story with them. He understood what people wanted to see with those characters. And in the case of Banner/Hulk and Black Widow, he pretty much invented new personalities for them on the fly. He even expanded on Loki's character. Making that story work and giving all those characters something to do was no small feat. Another thing you notice when watching the first two Avengers films is how much care Whedon puts into specific shots involving the heroes. He goes out of his way to film shots that look like comic panels, none of the other MCU directors have bothered doing that. All that said, he went off the deep end with the self-indulgent comedy in AoU and I just can't see IW and Endgame having the same gravitas with Whedon instead of the Russo's. My opinion on this (which might not be shared by many) is that Whedon is very good at bouncing characters off one another. It has been his trademark since Buffy and Firefly and is very evident in Avengers and AoU. The Russo's are better at developing the characters as individuals, making them shine on their own more. So when I compare the MCU movies made by Whedon and the Russo's, I can say that I preferred that interaction of the team with Whedon at the helm. Their banter is wittier, it flows more easily, their characters bounced off each other better. However, you also don't get a lot of individuality shining through. I appreciate them as a team but no individual gets truly deep development. In comparison, with Russo movies we do get better personal development specific per character. Getting them to "shine" better and be more iconic but they also don't shine as much as a team. It's almost like Whedon sees them as a team made up of individuals, whereas the Russo's see them as individuals who make a team.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 8, 2019 19:27:50 GMT
What Whedon did with Avengers was incredible. He took all of those characters and made a cohesive story with them. He understood what people wanted to see with those characters. And in the case of Banner/Hulk and Black Widow, he pretty much invented new personalities for them on the fly. He even expanded on Loki's character. Making that story work and giving all those characters something to do was no small feat. Another thing you notice when watching the first two Avengers films is how much care Whedon puts into specific shots involving the heroes. He goes out of his way to film shots that look like comic panels, none of the other MCU directors have bothered doing that. All that said, he went off the deep end with the self-indulgent comedy in AoU and I just can't see IW and Endgame having the same gravitas with Whedon instead of the Russo's. My opinion on this (which might not be shared by many) is that Whedon is very good at bouncing characters off one another. It has been his trademark since Buffy and Firefly and is very evident in Avengers and AoU. The Russo's are better at developing the characters as individuals, making them shine on their own more. So when I compare the MCU movies made by Whedon and the Russo's, I can say that I preferred that interaction of the team with Whedon at the helm. Their banter is wittier, it flows more easily, their characters bounced off each other better. However, you also don't get a lot of individuality shining through. I appreciate them as a team but no individual gets truly deep development. In comparison, with Russo movies we do get better personal development specific per character. Getting them to "shine" better and be more iconic but they also don't shine as much as a team. It's almost like Whedon sees them as a team made up of individuals, whereas the Russo's see them as individuals who make a team. Agreed. Clearly Whedon has a better feel for the group dynamic and that 'comic book feel.' He treats them more like archetypes whereas the Russo's are trying to see the person behind the mask. Again, a lot of this can be chalked up to when these films appear in the canon. Whedon is introducing the concept of a super team made up from previous solo franchises; he has to remind the audience what they like about these characters and prove it can be fun to see them sharing the screen. The Russo's are building on the foundation laid by Whedon, and like most narratives the concept gets more nuanced the more familiar you get with the setting. I don't know that I can say one method is better than the other; both creative forces seem to have come along at the right time for where the MCU was heading.
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Post by blockbusted on Apr 8, 2019 22:22:13 GMT
Think about it: Tony Stark in Civil War and Infinity War had way more pathos and gravity than in any of his other movies. Thor's most heartfelt and emotionally powerful moments were in Infinity War when he was telling Rocket his life story and tanking that neutron star. I don't think I even need to mention how Captain America's most emotional moments were in TWS, CW and IW. Now it seems they're doing it again with Captain Marvel. Though I didn't hate Brie's performance in CM as much as others, I do think her Carol Danvers was a bit lacking and somewhat wooden. Yet she displayed way more gravity and empathy in these short Endgame trailers we've seen than in her entire movie. Their advantage is usually that they get to explore characters in their later appearances as opposed to introducing them to the audience. But even T'Challa is somehow more compelling in Civil War than he is in his own film (at least in my opinion). I think it has more to do with the more serious tone of the stories in their films in general. If you were to list the least whimsical MCU films, it would be TWS, CW, BP, IW and Endgame. Four of those five are Russo projects. I thought 'Black Panther' was more whimsical than anything by Russo Brothers, but I guess that's just me.  |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 8, 2019 22:35:43 GMT
Their advantage is usually that they get to explore characters in their later appearances as opposed to introducing them to the audience. But even T'Challa is somehow more compelling in Civil War than he is in his own film (at least in my opinion). I think it has more to do with the more serious tone of the stories in their films in general. If you were to list the least whimsical MCU films, it would be TWS, CW, BP, IW and Endgame. Four of those five are Russo projects. I thought 'Black Panther' was more whimsical than anything by Russo Brothers, but I guess that's just me. It was whimsical in terms of the mysticism and the Wakandan cultural motifs, but in terms of plot and theme it was more intense than Ant-Man or Doctor Strange for example.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 8, 2019 22:56:29 GMT
I'm not against what they did with Vision and Scarlett Witch but, I think in some ways, it was a step backward for those two characters.
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 8, 2019 23:08:43 GMT
Brie looked out of place amongst the Avengers. It’s like the cleaner decided to sit in on the meeting.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 9, 2019 8:38:36 GMT
Think about it: Tony Stark in Civil War and Infinity War had way more pathos and gravity than in any of his other movies. Thor's most heartfelt and emotionally powerful moments were in Infinity War when he was telling Rocket his life story and tanking that neutron star. I don't think I even need to mention how Captain America's most emotional moments were in TWS, CW and IW. Now it seems they're doing it again with Captain Marvel. Though I didn't hate Brie's performance in CM as much as others, I do think her Carol Danvers was a bit lacking and somewhat wooden. Yet she displayed way more gravity and empathy in these short Endgame trailers we've seen than in her entire movie. Nah, his emotional arc is better in TDW. Those moments in IW are him just explaining things that we seen visually in other movies. In TDW we see his emotion in a rawer form in emotive acting rather than simple dialogue.
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