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Post by charzhino on Apr 18, 2019 13:06:15 GMT
In Captain Marvel, Carol at the ends is supercharged and quickly destroys multiple alien fleets in space with ease. Nick Fury refusing to call her during the Chitauri invasion is reckless and a asburd decision that he hasnt been punished for.
If Fury paged Carol early, she would have single handedly swept up the whole chitauri army easily, saving a lot of unnecesary death and destruction that happened as the Avengers spent 45 minutes fighting an unknown enemy.
Carol has experience with and is powered by the tesseract, the very object that the battle of new york is based around. Based on this and her previous display of super strength against the Kree, why the hell does Nick Fury think its not a good idea to page Captain Marvel to deal with the invasion? Hes an egotistical leader.
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Post by Vassaggo on Apr 18, 2019 13:21:09 GMT
In Captain Marvel, Carol at the ends is supercharged and quickly destroys multiple alien fleets in space with ease. Nick Fury refusing to call her during the Chitauri invasion is reckless and a asburd decision that he hasnt been punished for.
If Fury paged Carol early, she would have single handedly swept up the whole chitauri army easily, saving a lot of unnecesary death and destruction that happened as the Avengers spent 45 minutes fighting an unknown enemy.
Carol has experience with and is powered by the tesseract, the very object that the battle of new york is based around. Based on this and her previous display of super strength against the Kree, why the hell does Nick Fury think its not a good idea to page Captain Marvel to deal with the invasion? Hes an egotistical leader. We don't know if he did page her or not, for one thing. He could've paged her and she was busy helping on worlds without Avengers. We don't know what kind of contact or communication he's had with her since he met her. I doubt she keeps him abreast of all her movements, but he might know generally where she is and how long it takes her to get from their to Earth. If she has Light Speed could still take a long time to get to Earth. Hell even using jump points it was going to take months to get from Skaar to Nova Prime according to Valkyrie in Ragnarok without taking the dangerous Devils Anus jump point. So he may have known she couldn't get there on time so no need to page. Even if she could get there in time, we know he wanted to put the power of earth's defense with people, and he knew that the world governments needed a push. He could've been holding on to the last second before calling her. It could be as simple as that. If they lost NYC he would call her. Some military/intelligence leaders are cold like that. The people hurt/killed in NY is like the pain you have setting a bone. It's anguishing and painful but ultimately necessary to fix the problem.
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Post by merh on Apr 18, 2019 13:25:42 GMT
In Captain Marvel, Carol at the ends is supercharged and quickly destroys multiple alien fleets in space with ease. Nick Fury refusing to call her during the Chitauri invasion is reckless and a asburd decision that he hasnt been punished for.
If Fury paged Carol early, she would have single handedly swept up the whole chitauri army easily, saving a lot of unnecesary death and destruction that happened as the Avengers spent 45 minutes fighting an unknown enemy.
Carol has experience with and is powered by the tesseract, the very object that the battle of new york is based around. Based on this and her previous display of super strength against the Kree, why the hell does Nick Fury think its not a good idea to page Captain Marvel to deal with the invasion? Hes an egotistical leader. Do you call the FBI when your car is broken into or do you call your local law enforcement agency? Jurisdiction She said the range was a couple galexies? Something like that. Maybe Fury did press it but she wasn't in range. Loki is Thor's brother. Why would Fury think Thor couldn't beat his brother?
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Post by charzhino on Apr 18, 2019 13:51:00 GMT
I doubt she keeps him abreast of all her movements, but he might know generally where she is and how long it takes her to get from their to Earth. If she has Light Speed could still take a long time to get to Earth. Hell even using jump points it was going to take months to get from Skaar to Nova Prime according to Valkyrie in Ragnarok without taking the dangerous Devils Anus jump point. So he may have known she couldn't get there on time so no need to page. If she does have light speed travel then time wouldnt matter as it is relative. It may appear to Fury that it takes months for her to travel here but from her perspective she could travel to earth in hours, maybe even minutes. Sounds dangerously like Hydra reasoning, sacrificing lives for the greater good. But they are dealing with an unknown army and importantly the tesseract, which they dont know how to handle. Only Carol does. Fury gets lucky that Selvig snaps out of the spell and figures out how to stop the portal because otherwise the Avengers couldnt close it themselves. All this delay costs thousands of lives and untold damage.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 18, 2019 13:52:19 GMT
In Captain Marvel, Carol at the ends is supercharged and quickly destroys multiple alien fleets in space with ease. Nick Fury refusing to call her during the Chitauri invasion is reckless and a asburd decision that he hasnt been punished for.
If Fury paged Carol early, she would have single handedly swept up the whole chitauri army easily, saving a lot of unnecesary death and destruction that happened as the Avengers spent 45 minutes fighting an unknown enemy.
Carol has experience with and is powered by the tesseract, the very object that the battle of new york is based around. Based on this and her previous display of super strength against the Kree, why the hell does Nick Fury think its not a good idea to page Captain Marvel to deal with the invasion? Hes an egotistical leader. Do you call the FBI when your car is broken into or do you call your local law enforcement agency? Jurisdiction She said the range was a couple galexies? Something like that. Maybe Fury did press it but she wasn't in range. Loki is Thor's brother. Why would Fury think Thor couldn't beat his brother? Carol is an earthly person not an alien. Im sure she would care if her homeworld is about to be dsstroyed. Thor was afraid of the chituari because he hasn't fought them before
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Post by scabab on Apr 18, 2019 14:03:50 GMT
The range seems the most likely answer. As was mentioned above the signal only works within a certain amount of galaxies.
So Nick Fury could have tried before and she could have just been too far out of that range at the time.
It'll most likely be explained in the movie.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 18, 2019 14:27:32 GMT
In Captain Marvel, Carol at the ends is supercharged and quickly destroys multiple alien fleets in space with ease. Multiple alien fleets? She turns back a warhead and a bunch of drones, then destroys one cruiser. Learn the meaning of the word fleet.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 18, 2019 14:31:03 GMT
1. The Avengers were handling the Chitauri fine. Why would Fury need to call CM?
2. It obviously takes some time for Carol to travel back to Earth. If Fury called her then she'd still only arrive AFTERthe fight was done.
3. This question has been asked many times and have been answered many times. Why are you posting this again? Lately your posts have been very troll-like.
4. If Carol tried to take on the Chitauri singlehandedly there's no guarantee she'll stop them. It definitely won't be easy and many many more lives will be lost.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 18, 2019 15:41:13 GMT
1. The Avengers were handling the Chitauri fine. Why would Fury need to call CM? Not fine. They had no clue how to shut the portal until Selvig, by luck, regained his memory and just happened to be near the tesseract. Carol travelling at light speed would have been at Earth very short time Was watching a captain marvel youtube review and the guy mentioned how quickly Carol destroys the ship at the end. And on top, she is powered by the tesseract so why wouldn't Fury call her during new york battle when they are fighting over the same tesseract. Would be less lives lost. She could fly through the portal opening into space and take out the incoming ships before they entered NY - just like she did in Captain Marvel.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 18, 2019 15:45:39 GMT
The range seems the most likely answer. As was mentioned above the signal only works within a certain amount of galaxies. So Nick Fury could have tried before and she could have just been too far out of that range at the time. It'll most likely be explained in the movie. This seems to be the most logical answer. I will keep a close eye out if they mention it in Endgame.
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Post by Vassaggo on Apr 18, 2019 15:50:47 GMT
1. The Avengers were handling the Chitauri fine. Why would Fury need to call CM? Not fine. They had no clue how to shut the portal until Selvig, by luck, regained his memory and just happened to be near the tesseract. Carol travelling at light speed would have been at Earth very short timeWas watching a captain marvel youtube review and the guy mentioned how quickly Carol destroys the ship at the end. And on top, she is powered by the tesseract so why wouldn't Fury call her during new york battle when they are fighting over the same tesseract. Would be less lives lost. She could fly through the portal opening into space and take out the incoming ships before they entered NY - just like she did in Captain Marvel. I don't know how you could quantify this statement with the evidence we've seen. If she had a light speed craft it will still take a long time to go at light speed to just traverse between our galaxy and Andromeda. And she said that the pager's range were a few Galaxies. The Closest galaxy is Andromeda. It is 2,538,000 light years away, and at the speed of light, it would take 2.54 million years to go from earth to Andromeda or vice versa. That's just the next Galaxy over. In the MCU there are spacial jumps. We've seen them in Guardians and Ragnarok. Also in Ragnarok we learn they aren't instantaneous. You have to jump from one point to the next then find another jump etc. Valkyrie said it would take months to get from Skaar to Nova. So it's not a given that she could've gotten there on time. Edit: I meant to say they are instantaneous, but not a straight line path. You have to jump from one point to another find another point jump again.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 18, 2019 16:06:47 GMT
Not fine. They had no clue how to shut the portal until Selvig, by luck, regained his memory and just happened to be near the tesseract. And Carol wouldn't know how to close the portal either. She'd try to manually fight off each and every chitauri while more and more kept coming out of the portal, resulting in way more deaths. Fact remains that the Avengers were handling the situation and would have closed that portal sooner had there not been an inbound missile. So again, why would Fury call Carol when the Avengers were handling it? No she wouldn't. It takes light over 5 hrs to travel from the sun to Pluto... and I'm pretty sure Carol traveled further away than just within our solar system. So it would take her hours, perhaps days or even weeks before she arrives on Earth. From what we can tell of the Endgame clips and CM after credits, it took quite some time for her to arrive on Earth, with the Avengers already back in the base, properly showered and looking refreshed. Heck, Cap even had time to shave already. So yeah, fight would have been long over by the time she arrived. Yeah... she destroys one ship and around a dozen drones. That's nothing compared to the numbers of Chitauri that attacked NY. Plus we see that CM can actually get hurt and knocked around by the laser fire from the drones. How's she going to fare when a hundred Chitauri gliders open fire on her? Fact is, Carol has never been tested against a truly powerful opponent. Easily taking on a few drones doesn't mean she can take on the entire Chitauri fleet. Besides, Thor was able to take out 2 leviathans and about half a dozen gliders with just a single hit. Truth be told if the writers had allowed Thor to fight to his full potential in NY, he'd have been way more effective against the Chitauri than Carol would because he has better AOE and multiple-target attacks. If manually obliterating each Chitauri was the goal, Thor would be able to do so faster than CM could. But then, it would still take them time to do so, longer than what the battle ended up as... and so more casualties again. And as I mentioned, taking out 1 ship and a dozen drones is nowhere near close to the number of the Chitauri fleet. Gliders and even leviathans would still be able to sneak past her onto Earth... and are you saying she's going to ignore those ships, allowing them to terrorize NY while she flies around in space? Don't think that's gonna happen. In the end, your premise that CM can do a better job is completely baseless. All the reasons you came up with are easily dismissed by a bit of common sense. Heck, the fact alone that she'll take at least multiple hours to get to Earth already shuts down your argument.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 18, 2019 16:07:12 GMT
Hey, let's recycle a pointless nitpick that has already been talked to death on this board because we are running out of new pointless nitpicks to cry about.
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Post by bud47 on Apr 18, 2019 16:07:51 GMT
1. The Avengers were handling the Chitauri fine. Why would Fury need to call CM? Not fine. They had no clue how to shut the portal until Selvig, by luck, regained his memory and just happened to be near the tesseract. Carol travelling at light speed would have been at Earth very short time Was watching a captain marvel youtube review and the guy mentioned how quickly Carol destroys the ship at the end. And on top, she is powered by the tesseract so why wouldn't Fury call her during new york battle when they are fighting over the same tesseract. Would be less lives lost. She could fly through the portal opening into space and take out the incoming ships before they entered NY - just like she did in Captain Marvel. Light speed really isn't as fast as you make it out to be when it comes to interstellar travel. She could be several galaxies away and not in range of the signal, assuming he sent it. Even if she was in range of the signal, the entire battle would have been over by the time she arrived. The events in the Avengers took place over a couple of days at most. Looking at the after credit scene from Captain Marvel, the signal from the pager has been sending continuously for quite some time (a few weeks) before she finally arrived. Personally, I don't think he sent the signal. He formed the Avengers so that he wouldn't have to. He was confident that they could hold the line, especially with Thor (equal in power to Captain Marvel) on their side. Or just accept the fact that at the time the first Avengers film was released, they had no plans yet for Captain Marvel nor the pager and it's a minor continuity issue and they did their best to rectify it. Most people can suspend their disbelief when it comes to things like this, but people like you have to over-analyze and make big issues out of little things for some reason. Regardless, it's no where near the continuity nightmare that is (was) the Fox-Men films.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 18, 2019 16:10:20 GMT
I don't know how you could quantify this statement with the evidence we've seen. If she had a light speed craft it will still take a long time to go at light speed to just traverse between our galaxy and Andromeda. And she said that the pager's range were a few Galaxies. The Closest galaxy is Andromeda. It is 2,538,000 light years away, and at the speed of light, it would take 2.54 million years to go from earth to Andromeda or vice versa. But if carol is going at light speed, time would slow down and length contraction would occur so from her perspective she would reach her destination much quicker. Not knowing exactly where Carol was during NY battle its hard to say.
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Post by Vassaggo on Apr 18, 2019 16:13:13 GMT
Not fine. They had no clue how to shut the portal until Selvig, by luck, regained his memory and just happened to be near the tesseract. Carol travelling at light speed would have been at Earth very short time Was watching a captain marvel youtube review and the guy mentioned how quickly Carol destroys the ship at the end. And on top, she is powered by the tesseract so why wouldn't Fury call her during new york battle when they are fighting over the same tesseract. Would be less lives lost. She could fly through the portal opening into space and take out the incoming ships before they entered NY - just like she did in Captain Marvel. Light speed really isn't as fast as you make it out to be when it comes to interstellar travel. She could be several galaxies away and not in range of the signal, assuming he sent it. Even if she was in range of the signal, the entire battle would have been over by the time she arrived. The events in the Avengers took place over a couple of days at most. Looking at the after credit scene from Captain Marvel, the signal from the pager has been sending continuously for quite some time (a few weeks) before she finally arrived. Personally, I don't think he sent the signal. He formed the Avengers so that he wouldn't have to. He was confident that they could hold the line, especially with Thor (equal in power to Captain Marvel) on their side. Or just accept the fact that at the time the first Avengers film was released, they had no plans yet for Captain Marvel nor the pager and it's a minor continuity issue and they did their best to rectify it. Most people can suspend their disbelief when it comes to things like this, but people like you have to over-analyze and make big issues out of little things for some reason. Regardless, it's no where near the continuity nightmare that is (was) the Fox-Men films. At the speed of light it would take 4.5 years to get to our nearest star Proxima Centauri. . (other than the sun). And I don't think she was going there. So the only way she could get to places fast enough would be those spacial jumps/wormholes. We don't know enough about where they are to determine if it would take minutes from where she was, days or weeks.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 18, 2019 16:17:17 GMT
And Carol wouldn't know how to close the portal either. She'd try to manually fight off each and every chitauri while more and more kept coming out of the portal, resulting in way more deaths. Fact remains that the Avengers were handling the situation and would have closed that portal sooner had there not been an inbound missile. So again, why would Fury call Carol when the Avengers were handling it? Because lives were being lost, nukes where being sent and Chitauri kept flooding in all the time Avengers by themselves couldnt figure out how to close the portal. Their plan was beat Loki and convince him to close it, which he never submitted to do. You say they would have eventually done it but that is speculaton And Carol in Captain Marvel has been shown powerful enough to handle the tesseract with her bare hands. Remember, Red Skull couldnt do it. In The Avengers the line of dialogue is something like, the energy barrier of the cube is impenetrable. Carol has the ability to simply put her hand through, grab thr cube and close the portal.[
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Post by Vassaggo on Apr 18, 2019 16:20:42 GMT
I don't know how you could quantify this statement with the evidence we've seen. If she had a light speed craft it will still take a long time to go at light speed to just traverse between our galaxy and Andromeda. And she said that the pager's range were a few Galaxies. The Closest galaxy is Andromeda. It is 2,538,000 light years away, and at the speed of light, it would take 2.54 million years to go from earth to Andromeda or vice versa. But if carol is going at light speed, time would slow down and length contraction would occur so from her perspective she would reach her destination much quicker. Not knowing exactly where Carol was during NY battle its hard to say. Yes to her time would dilate. So the 2.5 million years wouldn't seem like that long to her, but it would still take her 2.5 million years. She wouldn't age but if she relied completely on light speed to go from Milky Way to Andromedia 2.5 million years would pass for us while she stayed young. The time dilation works on the object going the speed of light. Basically you fastforwarding time outside of you traveling. Technically speaking unless the pager uses the same jump points to send signals if she were in Andromeda galaxy and the pager uses radio waves (a wave length of light thus it travels at the speed of light) it would take 2.5 million years for the signal to reach Andromeda.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 18, 2019 16:22:15 GMT
Light speed really isn't as fast as you make it out to be when it comes to interstellar travel. She could be several galaxies away and not in range of the signal, assuming he sent it. Even if she was in range of the signal, the entire battle would have been over by the time she arrived. The events in the Avengers took place over a couple of days at most. Looking at the after credit scene from Captain Marvel, the signal from the pager has been sending continuously for quite some time (a few weeks) before she finally arrived. Personally, I don't think he sent the signal. He formed the Avengers so that he wouldn't have to. He was confident that they could hold the line, especially with Thor (equal in power to Captain Marvel) on their side. I think people in here are sketchy on how light speed travel works. Here again you come up with overanalyze Xcuse. If MCU is big as it is then it shouldn't be getting free passes just because "suspension of disbelief". Im questioning the writing and explanation that connects these movies after all people keep saying how well constructed the MCU phases are well theres some dodgy holes i can see
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 18, 2019 16:27:14 GMT
And Carol wouldn't know how to close the portal either. She'd try to manually fight off each and every chitauri while more and more kept coming out of the portal, resulting in way more deaths. Fact remains that the Avengers were handling the situation and would have closed that portal sooner had there not been an inbound missile. So again, why would Fury call Carol when the Avengers were handling it? Because lives were being lost, nukes where being sent and Chitauri kept flooding in all the time Avengers by themselves couldnt figure out how to close the portal. Their plan was beat Loki and convince him to close it, which he never submitted to do. You say they would have eventually done it but that is speculaton And Carol in Captain Marvel has been shown powerful enough to handle the tesseract with her bare hands. Remember, Red Skull couldnt do it. In The Avengers the line of dialogue is something like, the energy barrier of the cube is impenetrable. Carol has the ability to simply put her hand through, grab thr cube and close the portal.[ It's not speculation since, you know, they kinda already did it. They were able to close the portal. Would have closed it sooner if not for the nuke. Fury specifically tells the council his team was handling it, and they were. The council sent the nuke anyway not because the Avengers weren't handling it but because they panicked. Talk about speculation - you assume that Carol can simply put her hand through the force field? LoL. Can a steel sword easily penetrate a steel shield just because they're both made of steel? Can ice easily merge with ice? Just because she got her powers from the Tesseract doesn't mean she can overpower it or control it. Doesn't matter if she can hold it safely, so too can Loki and Thor. That doesn't prove much. You're telling me you want Fury to use his trump card all based on speculation? In any case, it still won't matter because you've been unable to address all my other points.
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