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Post by hoskotafe3 on Dec 12, 2021 19:08:57 GMT
Oh my,...... Congrats Max on having a great season. Lewis sorry that was very unlucky. Appeals underway. May need to change your thread title...
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Dec 12, 2021 19:20:04 GMT
Second appeal dismissed. All over folks. Max Verstappen officially World Champion.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 12, 2021 20:13:33 GMT
What a farce. Just reading what's been happening and makes me glad I gave up watching Formula One years ago.
Not interested in Varstappen or Hamilton but glad the appeal was chucked out. Doesn't bother me if it was a valid appeal or not but the very idea of a champion trying to retain a title by appealing that the race should have finished behind a safety car rather than actually racing just sums this sport up. Although to be fair the appeal was by the team, so who knows what Hamilton's personal views on the situation are...
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Dec 12, 2021 20:19:20 GMT
Mercedes may still look at legal avenues, so this could take a month or two, but anyway, fun year in motorsport. WorldSBK the highlight for me and it's well set up next year with little between Rea and Raz and Bautista returning to Ducati, where he was so dominant at the start of 2019.
Though Max vs Lewis in F1 was very entertaining, they badly need for a third team to step up and contend, or at least genuine competition within the two contending teams. Here's hoping Russell is all that next year.
Indycar and Oz Touring Cars were good as always and both produced surprise fairy tale winners in their premier races.
MotoGP had a bit of a down year, but had plenty of highlights and, while I don't personally like the winner as a bloke, think he's a hell of a rider and deserved his title.
Nascar was it's usual self: pretty dull for 30 weeks in the fairly meaningless "regular season" but awesome in the play-offs.
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Post by Zos on Dec 13, 2021 11:55:44 GMT
However you view the result, one thing for me is that it's the first time I've found Lewis likable. Respect to him for how he handled it and his actions towards Max. Classy.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 13, 2021 12:00:22 GMT
However you view the result, one thing for me is that it's the first time I've found Lewis likable. Respect to him for how he handled it and his actions towards Max. Classy. Bit surprised he didn't get a nomination for BBC SPOTY.
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Post by TheSowIsMine on Dec 13, 2021 13:24:41 GMT
Though Max vs Lewis in F1 was very entertaining, they badly need for a third team to step up and contend, or at least genuine competition within the two contending teams. Here's hoping Russell is all that next year. Next year we have completely new car regulations, and the budget cap well in place. It could be shaken up.
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Post by sjg on Dec 13, 2021 19:07:20 GMT
Mercedes may still look at legal avenues, so this could take a month or two, but anyway, fun year in motorsport. WorldSBK the highlight for me and it's well set up next year with little between Rea and Raz and Bautista returning to Ducati, where he was so dominant at the start of 2019. Though Max vs Lewis in F1 was very entertaining, they badly need for a third team to step up and contend, or at least genuine competition within the two contending teams. Here's hoping Russell is all that next year. Indycar and Oz Touring Cars were good as always and both produced surprise fairy tale winners in their premier races. MotoGP had a bit of a down year, but had plenty of highlights and, while I don't personally like the winner as a bloke, think he's a hell of a rider and deserved his title. Nascar was it's usual self: pretty dull for 30 weeks in the fairly meaningless "regular season" but awesome in the play-offs. I pretty much second your summary of the season. WSBK was the series of the year for me too. MotoGP was disappointing. Indy Car was solid. The ending of the F1 season has tainted my opinion of it i'm afraid. I'll add BSB to the list which was a bit disappointing too, the show down rules ruined the season again. Overall it's been the worst season i can remember. I'm hoping 2022 will be better, we may get better commentary teams and Massi may get fired and Marquez may be back to fighting fit.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 14, 2021 0:48:20 GMT
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Dec 14, 2021 4:40:29 GMT
I think most F1 fans wanted to see Masi do exactly what he did: get the lapped traffic out of the way, go green and give us a one lap shoot out for the race and the title. Whether he should have done it, well, more the fact that he almost certainly shouldn't have done it, creates the backlash. But imagine if the race had finished under yellow with the damage clear, or 3 lapped cars ignoring the blue flag and not letting Max through to go for the title, is that really the finish anyone wanted? I think midichlorian is right, the protest is ultimately about denying the fans of a single lap one on one shoot out between the two best drivers of the season to decide the title in favour of either a finish under yellow or a finish where the defending champion is protected by 3 lapped cars. As an F1 fan with no horse in the race, I got what I wanted to see rather than the finish we probably should have had but I didn't want to see. So no, I'm not feeling robbed or that I deserved better. I feel like a one lap shoot out to decide the title is exactly what I, and this season, deserved.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 14, 2021 4:42:54 GMT
I dunno... the fact that because this was the final lap of the final race... as if F1 doesn't manipulate all year round already.
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Post by sjg on Dec 14, 2021 8:41:25 GMT
I think most F1 fans wanted to see Masi do exactly what he did: get the lapped traffic out of the way, go green and give us a one lap shoot out for the race and the title. Whether he should have done it, well, more the fact that he almost certainly shouldn't have done it, creates the backlash. But imagine if the race had finished under yellow with the damage clear, or 3 lapped cars ignoring the blue flag and not letting Max through to go for the title, is that really the finish anyone wanted? I think midichlorian is right, the protest is ultimately about denying the fans of a single lap one on one shoot out between the two best drivers of the season to decide the title in favour of either a finish under yellow or a finish where the defending champion is protected by 3 lapped cars. As an F1 fan with no horse in the race, I got what I wanted to see rather than the finish we probably should have had but I didn't want to see. So no, I'm not feeling robbed or that I deserved better. I feel like a one lap shoot out to decide the title is exactly what I, and this season, deserved. Nah it wasn't a fight, Max was on new softs and Lewis was on old hard's, Massi effectively gave Max the win on a silver plate. There was no racing on that last lap.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 14, 2021 10:04:04 GMT
Why didn't Hamilton come in for new tires?
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 14, 2021 10:14:52 GMT
Why didn't Hamilton come in for new tires? He wanted to but the team convinced him it was too risky as he’d be behind Verstappen with a good chance there would be no more racing. Probably sensible at the time, but obviously not in retrospect.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 14, 2021 10:40:29 GMT
Interesting. I was just wondering that because presumably if he had gone in Varstappen wouldn't (in order to take the lead).
So in the end, if Hamilton wanted to, it was basically a Mclaren gamble on the race not restarting. But if it had, presumably Hamilton - in the reverse situation - would have overtaken Varstappen having fresh tires instead?
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 14, 2021 10:44:27 GMT
Interesting. I was just wondering that because presumably if he had gone in Varstappen wouldn't (in order to take the lead). So in the end, if Hamilton wanted to, it was basically a Mclaren gamble on the race not restarting. But if it had, presumably Hamilton - in the reverse situation - would have overtaken Varstappen having fresh tires instead? Well Verstappen had already swapped his tires when Lewis was asking whether he should do too. I’d have fancied Hamilton to overtake Verstappen with both on new tires.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Dec 14, 2021 11:01:54 GMT
Ah ok. What I was wondering though was whether McLaren could have brought Hamilton in first after the safety car was deployed? Because if they'd done that either Varstappen could have stayed out and had the race lead but Hamilton behind him on fresh tires or he could have pitted too and Hamilton would have just have to have held him off with both on new tires...
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 14, 2021 11:06:37 GMT
Ah ok. What I was wondering though was whether McLaren could have brought Hamilton in first after the safety car was deployed? Because if they'd done that either Varstappen could have stayed out and had the race lead but Hamilton behind him on fresh tires or he could have pitted too and Hamilton would have just have to have held him off with both on new tires... Right, I see. Not sure to be honest. I think those last 5 minutes were the only F1 I’ve watched in a decade!
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 14, 2021 11:14:48 GMT
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 14, 2021 12:41:48 GMT
Ah ok. What I was wondering though was whether McLaren could have brought Hamilton in first after the safety car was deployed? Because if they'd done that either Varstappen could have stayed out and had the race lead but Hamilton behind him on fresh tires or he could have pitted too and Hamilton would have just have to have held him off with both on new tires... Lewis Hamilton races for Mercedes. He left McLaren at the end of 2012. My belief is that no matter what decision F1 took, it would have left some people unsatisfied. Both drivers have been excellent and deserved to win the season.
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