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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 29, 2019 15:26:20 GMT
Decades ago, I was reading a book about the First World War. At one point, it mentioned the arrival of fresh colonial French troops, made out of people from Senegal and other African possessions, clothed according to the climate in which they were originally meant to be used. One remark from a high ranking officer dispatching them to the Western Front in northern France was " best used before Winter". This was not a fictional work, and it was definitely not anti-war propaganda, being written by some recognised military expert and former officer. I read the Dothraki fared pretty much the same. |
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 29, 2019 15:38:54 GMT
Oh, they were snuffed out like a candle against a tidal wave. Actually, it was rather amusing.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Apr 30, 2019 8:00:54 GMT
Oh, they were snuffed out like a candle against a tidal wave. Actually, it was rather amusing. I actually thought that that part was INCREDIBLE!!!
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 30, 2019 9:35:46 GMT
Robert Baratheon: Only a fool would meet the Dothraki in an open field.
Night's King: Hold my beer.
Kidding aside, that was another example of Hollywood tactics in GOT.. You don't charge an enemy head on unless they happen to be scattered and demoralized something that Wights clearly are not. It would've been better to let that wights engage the infantry and have Dothrakis charge their flanks.
Cool visual though...
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 30, 2019 10:21:51 GMT
Kidding aside, that was another example of Hollywood tactics in GOT.. You don't charge an enemy head on unless they happen to be scattered and demoralized something that Wights clearly are not. It would've been better to let that wights engage the infantry and have Dothrakis charge their flanks. The same was done in S7, with Dothraki charging Lannister troops before the dragon came down on them. An utterly stupid move since they would have been much safer and more effective coming in after dragon fire had broken the lines and moral of the opponent. This was followed by the pointless destruction, also by dragon fire, of what looked like food supplies and would have been better captured. Spectacle of course, "Hollywood" nonsense for the sake of impressive visuals but… maybe not only. Once again, at the high risk of giving more credit than is due, we can also see the WWI parallel in all this. The first German moves on French soil in August 1914 were met by cavalry charges, mowed down by machine guns. This is pretty much what the Dothraki suffered this time. And of course, heavy artillery bombardment of towns behind the lines somehow mirrored the intentional destruction of the enemy's supply network. No resources were spared, men on both sides were thrown in like dead meat against defences with little to no avail. I saw the passage in which wights are crossing burning trenches by filling them up with themselves to make bridges. This is pretty much what WWI trench warfare must have felt like when assaults were attempted. The dead were not raised but new soldiers were constantly sent to replace them. Then at some point the "highborn" decided it was enough and everything stopped. They met in the "Godswood", killed the Night King or signed a treaty and the dead were told they had been "good men". This whole story is an anti-war allegory.
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 30, 2019 10:32:04 GMT
Kidding aside, that was another example of Hollywood tactics in GOT.. You don't charge an enemy head on unless they happen to be scattered and demoralized something that Wights clearly are not. It would've been better to let that wights engage the infantry and have Dothrakis charge their flanks. An utterly stupid move since they would have been much safer and more effective coming in after dragon fire had broken the lines and moral of the opponent. This was followed by the pointless destruction, also by dragon fire, of what looked like food supplies and would have been better captured. Spectacle of course, "Hollywood" nonsense for the sake of impressive visuals but… maybe not only. Once again, at the high risk of giving more credit than is due, we can also see the WWI parallel in all this. The first German moves on French soil in August 1914 were met by cavalry charges, mowed down by machine guns. This is pretty much what the Dothraki suffered this time. And of course, heavy artillery bombardment of towns behind the lines somehow mirrored the intentional destruction of the enemy's supply network. No resources were spared, men on both sides were thrown in like dead meat against defences with little to no avail. I saw the passage in which wights are crossing burning trenches by filling them up with themselves to make bridges. This is pretty much what WWI trench warfare must have felt like when assaults were attempted. The dead were not raised but new soldiers were constantly sent to replace them. Then at some point the "highborn" decided it was enough and everything stopped. They met in the "Godswood", killed the Night King or signed a treaty and the dead were told they had been "good men". This whole story is an anti-war allegory. At least in that scene, the dragon appeared before the horses reached the Lannister line, the Lannister soldiers were shaken by the sight and the Dothraki knew that ordinary humans will run from the battlefield if they feel they're about to lose. Horse archers also were used to open gaps. Wights on the other hand can't be scared so they would never lose cohesion. And they should've known that. I wish I could say that this only happens in GOT but it seems pretty common in any Hollywood film. Just like having protagonists fighting without an helmet because the audience needs to see their face. In reality, protecting your head in a big battle is probably more important than covering any other body part.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 30, 2019 10:43:55 GMT
I wish I could say that this only happens in GOT but it seems pretty common in any Hollywood film. Just like having protagonists fighting without an helmet because the audience needs to see their face. In reality, protecting your head in a big battle is probably more important than covering any other body part. The helmet thing is a common gripe but has no consequence because characters get "plot helmet" instead. Here, we see stupidities of a larger scale and consequences happen when an army is lined up outside the walls to get slaughtered. In earlier season, Theon said a few hundred men could hold Winterfell against an army so why doesn't it happen now? The point is not only to show a slaughter but create one, one that wasn't needed. The same way, nothing would have happened had the Night King not been given the means to pass the Wall. So this is all symbolic. It seems like those who call for war make it happen. Jon Snow is the man who brought the Night King, symbol for pointless war, to Winterfell. He did that by bringing his new found wonder weapons over. This story could have been written by disarmament activists from the 60s, demonstrating against the risk of nuclear war with "flowers in their hair". Wait, hang on, wasn't GRRM one of them?
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Post by Marendil on Apr 30, 2019 11:10:56 GMT
The same was done in S7, with Dothraki charging Lannister troops before the dragon came down on them. An utterly stupid move since they would have been much safer and more effective coming in after dragon fire had broken the lines and moral of the opponent. This was followed by the pointless destruction, also by dragon fire, of what looked like food supplies and would have been better captured. Spectacle of course, "Hollywood" nonsense for the sake of impressive visuals but… maybe not only. Once again, at the high risk of giving more credit than is due, we can also see the WWI parallel in all this. The first German moves on French soil in August 1914 were met by cavalry charges, mowed down by machine guns. This is pretty much what the Dothraki suffered this time. And of course, heavy artillery bombardment of towns behind the lines somehow mirrored the intentional destruction of the enemy's supply network. No resources were spared, men on both sides were thrown in like dead meat against defences with little to no avail. I saw the passage in which wights are crossing burning trenches by filling them up with themselves to make bridges. This is pretty much what WWI trench warfare must have felt like when assaults were attempted. The dead were not raised but new soldiers were constantly sent to replace them. Then at some point the "highborn" decided it was enough and everything stopped. They met in the "Godswood", killed the Night King or signed a treaty and the dead were told they had been "good men". This whole story is an anti-war allegory. At least in that scene, the dragon appeared before the horses reached the Lannister line, the Lannister soldiers were shaken by the sight and the Dothraki knew that ordinary humans will run from the battlefield if they feel they're about to lose. Horse archers also were used to open gaps. Wights on the other hand can't be scared so they would never lose cohesion. And they should've known that. I wish I could say that this only happens in GOT but it seems pretty common in any Hollywood film. Just like having protagonists fighting without an helmet because the audience needs to see their face. In reality, protecting your head in a big battle is probably more important than covering any other body part. I think the idea was the catapults firing flaming balls would break their lines and the Dothraki charge could then exploit. You don't want your cavalry to be engaged at rest by enemy infantry either, and I think they were afraid there wouldn't be a flank, they'd envelop automatically like they did in "Beyond the Wall." They were expecting on the order of 100k enemy troops as per the conversation with Cersei at the Dragonpit.
I came to the same conclusion about helmets and letting the actors act by keeping their heads visible, but another time something similar bothered me was the cold in "Beyond the Wall." I know something about surviving very cold environments and seeing Gendry with little hair and no head covering made my ears numb just watching it.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Apr 30, 2019 11:28:43 GMT
Decades ago, I was reading a book about the First World War. At one point, it mentioned the arrival of fresh colonial French troops, made out of people from Senegal and other African possessions, clothed according to the climate in which they were originally meant to be used. One remark from a high ranking officer dispatching them to the Western Front in northern France was " best used before Winter". This was not a fictional work, and it was definitely not anti-war propaganda, being written by some recognised military expert and former officer. I read the Dothraki fared pretty much the same.
i was surprised to see them even survive cold weather so far point is a entire army or tribe was extinguish dont know whos idea was to send them out first like that but it was wrong this coming from someone i have no idea about war battles and it was a mess
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