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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Apr 30, 2019 4:43:32 GMT
Does that explain him better?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 30, 2019 5:27:40 GMT
"Wow, what a satisfying conclusion to a decade long story arc. Oh hi, Night King. Aaaaand bye Night King."
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 30, 2019 7:08:48 GMT
They completely messed it up. Totally short of ideas it seems.
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Post by Marendil on Apr 30, 2019 8:16:23 GMT
They completely messed it up. Totally short of ideas it seems. They ran out of story. They signed up to adapt this story for television, not write it, a wholly different task. When they approached GRRM in spring of 2006, four volumes of a Song of Ice and Fire had been published in less than ten years and it was said the fourth one was just the first part as they had to cut it in half and the fifth would be out the following year. They started production on the show circa 2009 and the show's first season premiered before that book finally came out, but at least it did. There's been nothing since, a full eight years since the start of the show. Considering GRRM's previous publication history it was entirely reasonable to presume by the time they got to the end of what he'd written they'd have more to adapt but instead they had to write the whole thing--dialogue and all--from whatever bare bones they received behind the scenes.
My sympathies are entirely with D&D, the adaptation of the first book in the first season is as faithful and competent an adaptation from a book of this scope I've ever seen. Future decisions to summarize essentially unworkable storylines like Arya's in season two were done brilliantly and improved upon the books in some ways like pairing Arya with Tywin at Harrenhal. They faltered occasionally too, Dorne for instance, as what was written was basically unfilmable (it mostly takes place in Arianne's mind and would have required a cringeworthy amount of flashbacks) but overall it was recognizable as the same caliber of detail and careful plotting.
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 30, 2019 9:51:31 GMT
Yes. Bran knew that if a Stark could kill Thanos, a Stark could kill the Night's King.
Exactly what happened.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 1, 2019 2:11:01 GMT
maybe he is evil after all i know what i saw night kings eyes looked like brans when he warged and it was not
just in the ravens , maybe thats why NK looked confused for a minute before trying to kill him
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Post by Marendil on May 1, 2019 2:43:44 GMT
maybe he is evil after all i know what i saw night kings eyes looked like brans when he warged and it was not just in the ravens , maybe thats why NK looked confused for a minute before trying to kill him I know the sequence you're talking about, there is a point where the Night King's eyes look more whitish than blueish but I think it's just a trick of the light and/or poor work on the CGI.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 1, 2019 3:25:14 GMT
maybe he is evil after all i know what i saw night kings eyes looked like brans when he warged and it was not just in the ravens , maybe thats why NK looked confused for a minute before trying to kill him Let me guess, the Night King is Bran's suicidal dream and he is torn between erasing what happened to him and finding ways to accept it by forgiving people like Jaime or Theon. It's all in his head. They live in the mind of a blue eyed giant. I know it sounds like crap. Maybe it's true.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 1, 2019 7:57:14 GMT
maybe he is evil after all i know what i saw night kings eyes looked like brans when he warged and it was not just in the ravens , maybe thats why NK looked confused for a minute before trying to kill him Let me guess, the Night King is Bran's suicidal dream and he is torn between erasing what happened to him and finding ways to accept it by forgiving people like Jaime or Theon. It's all in his head. They live in the mind of a blue eyed giant. I just checked the books and verified that… the first point of view chapter after the Prologue is a Bran chapter. This might really all be just Bran's story. Old Nan, S1E03: "I know a story about a boy who hated stories."
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 1, 2019 11:29:33 GMT
The Night King was killed by the weapon that was given to Bran's assassin in the 2nd episode. Arya jumped at him pretty much as Bran's direwolf jumped at the assassin.
In the 3rd episode, Bran told Robb "I'd rather be dead", and repeated it when Robb told him not to say that.
Bran said the Night King's motivation was to kill him, to bring a long night which is pretty much a metaphor for Bran's loss of consciousness.
I wonder if Bran made the Night King, was the Night King in a way as some sort of suicidal dream in conflict with the attempt to accept reality. This other side comes up when Bran "forgives" Jaime or Theon for what they did to him. It is the duality between rejection of what is and the desire to find ways of accepting it as what was always meant to be.
The Night King never wanted to pass the Wall, by the way, he always wanted to get at Bran. That's why he was back around him after Hardhome, instead of marching south. He only passed the Wall after Bran himself did and somehow got Jon to give him the means to bring it down.
I don't think we've seen the end of this mess.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 1, 2019 11:57:36 GMT
They completely messed it up. Totally short of ideas it seems. They ran out of story. They signed up to adapt this story for television, not write it, a wholly different task. When they approached GRRM in spring of 2006, four volumes of a Song of Ice and Fire had been published in less than ten years and it was said the fourth one was just the first part as they had to cut it in half and the fifth would be out the following year. They started production on the show circa 2009 and the show's first season premiered before that book finally came out, but at least it did. There's been nothing since, a full eight years since the start of the show. Considering GRRM's previous publication history it was entirely reasonable to presume by the time they got to the end of what he'd written they'd have more to adapt but instead they had to write the whole thing--dialogue and all--from whatever bare bones they received behind the scenes.
My sympathies are entirely with D&D, the adaptation of the first book in the first season is as faithful and competent an adaptation from a book of this scope I've ever seen. Future decisions to summarize essentially unworkable storylines like Arya's in season two were done brilliantly and improved upon the books in some ways like pairing Arya with Tywin at Harrenhal. They faltered occasionally too, Dorne for instance, as what was written was basically unfilmable (it mostly takes place in Arianne's mind and would have required a cringeworthy amount of flashbacks) but overall it was recognizable as the same caliber of detail and careful plotting.
Theres nothing in the book that indicates Bran can do more than we’re than he did so then have to shorten the storyline to avoid 29 seasons has little to do with this. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 1, 2019 15:19:48 GMT
maybe he is evil after all i know what i saw night kings eyes looked like brans when he warged and it was not just in the ravens , maybe thats why NK looked confused for a minute before trying to kill him I know the sequence you're talking about, there is a point where the Night King's eyes look more whitish than blueish but I think it's just a trick of the light and/or poor work on the CGI. no way they woudl do such mistake you really think so  ? what if NK wanted to kill him for a good reason
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 1, 2019 15:22:02 GMT
Let me guess, the Night King is Bran's suicidal dream and he is torn between erasing what happened to him and finding ways to accept it by forgiving people like Jaime or Theon. It's all in his head. They live in the mind of a blue eyed giant. I just checked the books and verified that… the first point of view chapter after the Prologue is a Bran chapter. This might really all be just Bran's story. Old Nan, S1E03: "I know a story about a boy who hated stories." would be funny if ending scene was taped 10 years ago when show started filming with bran waking up saying to his nana i had the most scary dream..LOLOL
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Post by Marendil on May 2, 2019 9:06:52 GMT
I know the sequence you're talking about, there is a point where the Night King's eyes look more whitish than blueish but I think it's just a trick of the light and/or poor work on the CGI. no way they woudl do such mistake you really think so ? what if NK wanted to kill him for a good reason I think they did make that mistake, that more whitish shade is how Edd Tollett's eyes came across when he was raised. There's still blue in both of them it's just not as deep and glowing.
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? what if NK wanted to kill him for a good reason