10 questions for Endgame Watchers (Major Spoilers)

Apr 30, 2019 15:12:46 GMT havenless said:

This is not a hate thread, these are genuine questions I had coming out of this:

1. In Thor Ragnarok, it was explained Mjolnir was never the source of Thor’s lightning, it just helped him channel it. Why could cap summon lightning with it? I understood it may store some so when he shot it out of the hammer, but at one point he lifted the hammer up and a lightning bolt came from the sky and hit Thanos.

2. Hulk said changing the past won’t change our future. The Ancient One further explained this by showing divergent timelines that spawn when something is changed. So how did Cap go back in time at the end and become an old man in our timeline? Due to the butterfly effect, even existing in the past will irrevocably diverge what is.

3. The ancient one tells Bruce she need the infinity stone back at that exact moment as to not get her timeline in a negative way. Yet Loki got away with the tesseract, which he was acquiring for Thanos. Now Thanos has the most convenient Infinity Stone a good 6 years before the Avengers will be ready for him. Is that timeline not already F’ed?

4. Half the population disappeared for 5 years, then suddenly reappeared. As they showed, the world is essentially in ruins. A huge majority of children under the age of 5 are basically dead as long as the single parent or both parents disappeared. So they’ll come home to skeletons in the corner of the kitchen. Every person in surgery, every person requiring medical aid, and every person living day-to-day needing maintenance medications are in serious jeopardy and likely dead. Vast areas of the world would be without power and probably still don’t have it, which would have indirectly caused so many more deaths. Imagine the suicide rate. The lack of control during viral outbreaks, Wars that would inevitably occur, even just straight starvation. No food processing plant keeps 3-4 people for every position. You lose half your distribution management and labor, you basically lose the entire distribution side. So is every movie after this one going to be set in a post apocalyptic future?

5. A lot of of that may or may not have been able to be reversed. But Tony said no way so he didn’t lose his kid? Is this current situation solely because of that choice?

6. Didn’t the dead Asgardians then get resurrected in the middle of ship debris in the vacuum of space?

7. Wouldn't Red Skull have given Black Widow back once the stone was returned? A soul for a soul?

8. Thanos said he’s now going to kill everyone to start over. Does that not fly directly against the whole point of his mission in the first place? Attempting to save who he can?

9. Tony Stark never encountered Gamora, either ours or the past one who appeared here. How could he have possibly known to spare her?

10. This one probably bothers me the most. THEY HAVE A FULLY FUNCTIONING TIME MACHINE. Why does anything matter now? They really should have came up with a reason it couldn’t be used again, like the did earlier with the lack of pym particles. They’ve already ruined 3-4 timelines, Gamora is gone in here, Loki has the Space Stone, Peggy Carter never grows old to be a heartless shield agent, and Hydra thinks cap is one of them. Why not just go grab a Black widow and an Iron Man from those broken timelines?

THANK YOU!

ESPECIALLY FOR #7 (Maybe that's what happens. She is getting her own movie.)

Still liked this movie a lot though. But its got some issues.

Apr 30, 2019 15:12:46 GMT havenless said:

This is not a hate thread, these are genuine questions I had coming out of this:

1. In Thor Ragnarok, it was explained Mjolnir was never the source of Thor’s lightning, it just helped him channel it. Why could cap summon lightning with it? I understood it may store some so when he shot it out of the hammer, but at one point he lifted the hammer up and a lightning bolt came from the sky and hit Thanos.

2. Hulk said changing the past won’t change our future. The Ancient One further explained this by showing divergent timelines that spawn when something is changed. So how did Cap go back in time at the end and become an old man in our timeline? Due to the butterfly effect, even existing in the past will irrevocably diverge what is.

3. The ancient one tells Bruce she need the infinity stone back at that exact moment as to not get her timeline in a negative way. Yet Loki got away with the tesseract, which he was acquiring for Thanos. Now Thanos has the most convenient Infinity Stone a good 6 years before the Avengers will be ready for him. Is that timeline not already F’ed?

4. Half the population disappeared for 5 years, then suddenly reappeared. As they showed, the world is essentially in ruins. A huge majority of children under the age of 5 are basically dead as long as the single parent or both parents disappeared. So they’ll come home to skeletons in the corner of the kitchen. Every person in surgery, every person requiring medical aid, and every person living day-to-day needing maintenance medications are in serious jeopardy and likely dead. Vast areas of the world would be without power and probably still don’t have it, which would have indirectly caused so many more deaths. Imagine the suicide rate. The lack of control during viral outbreaks, Wars that would inevitably occur, even just straight starvation. No food processing plant keeps 3-4 people for every position. You lose half your distribution management and labor, you basically lose the entire distribution side. So is every movie after this one going to be set in a post apocalyptic future?

5. A lot of of that may or may not have been able to be reversed. But Tony said no way so he didn’t lose his kid? Is this current situation solely because of that choice?

6. Didn’t the dead Asgardians then get resurrected in the middle of ship debris in the vacuum of space?

7. Wouldn't Red Skull have given Black Widow back once the stone was returned? A soul for a soul?

8. Thanos said he’s now going to kill everyone to start over. Does that not fly directly against the whole point of his mission in the first place? Attempting to save who he can?

9. Tony Stark never encountered Gamora, either ours or the past one who appeared here. How could he have possibly known to spare her?

10. This one probably bothers me the most. THEY HAVE A FULLY FUNCTIONING TIME MACHINE. Why does anything matter now? They really should have came up with a reason it couldn’t be used again, like the did earlier with the lack of pym particles. They’ve already ruined 3-4 timelines, Gamora is gone in here, Loki has the Space Stone, Peggy Carter never grows old to be a heartless shield agent, and Hydra thinks cap is one of them. Why not just go grab a Black widow and an Iron Man from those broken timelines?

1: Odin enchanted Mjolnir so any who is worthy would be granted the power of Thor, now given Thor's power is his lightning that's what they get, I don't buy they got his strength and durability as someone else said as that's not Thor's "power" that's his Asguardians physiology.

2: I don't know what it's called but it's a time travel thing, Cap was always Peggy's husband, he always went back after Endgame and lived a normal life with Peggy, we just never saw it, which works as we never see a picture, are given a name or a real backstory for him other than he served in WW2, or he could be Peggy's second husband after the first died after Peggy gives the interview in the 50's we see in TWS.

3: Well any interference by the Avengers creating new events regardless of how small would create diverging timelines, best guess here is time is meant to autocorrect itself, it's only major alterations which can create diverging timelines, such as the Infinity Stones being removed from existence, but then that seemed more like an issue of the universe would become unravelled without the stones and not so much a diverging timeline issue, could be with the time stone they can sort of fix this crap as we see Strange create and visit multiple new timelines via the timestone in his own film, so god knows, my best guess is, fucking with time without the timestone = bad news, but with it things work out in the end.

4: Yeah this is a major issue for me also, I think the better idea would have been they needed to stop Thanos from destroying the stones as that unravels the universe which is what is causing things like underwater earthquakes and stuff across the universe itself, and prevents universal dystopian futures and such, Tony could still balk at first because he doesn't want to risk losing his daughter until he figures out they need to stop Thanos not to simply bring everyone back but to keep the stones in play or the universe dies, they still need to lift the other stones as they need to stop Thanos post snap but pre stone breaking, which leaves him with the whole set of stones, which he uses to bring his armies back for much the same ending we got, except one stone cannot be duplicated, the time stone, so the keep away in the final battle is about the time stone alone not the glove and all the stones...I dunno im just brainstorming but yeah they are fucked.

5: Yep all because Tony wants to keep his kid.

6: pretty much the case of every living being that was inside anything moving at the time of the snap to be honest with you, though the Asguardians maybe the exception as they could have landed on earth by then.

7: Good point, maybe the trick is they aren't dead, they are just in the soul stone or soul realm whatever it is, any who die for the stone can be brought back somehow, but yeah if you return the stone it should return the sacrifice, that or the stone should only be usable by the one who gave up what they loved, so Tony shouldn't have been able to use it.

8: Yes and no, Thanos wants balance in the universe, doesn't mean it has to be this universe, he could be planning on recreating all that lived just simply without the flaws he perceives in them the next time, I mean he's a fucking maniac do not expect him to make too much, I mean he didn't wipe out 50% off all sentient life but 50% of all life, that means there is no increase or animals to people so everyone has double their lot in life, this means 50% less necessary creates in normal plant lifecycles which would lead to less crops and crap, overall bad plan by Thanos.

9: He never encountered half of the Black Order either, or know ever Outrider's designation or name, my guess is he thought to kill Thanos and his army, Gamora wasn't part of his army nor was Nebula so they both survive Tony's snap.

10: Good point, like they could/should have explained how no one got how the damn thing worked properly, only Tony figured that out and now he's dead, and the machine only has so many trips it can safely execute before going kaboom, and everyone is in agreement that when the machine goes they leave it gone, or you know it needed key components that cannot be replicated, so when it's gone they can't fix it, you know anything but them just leaving themselves with a working time machine.