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Post by Skaathar on May 1, 2019 21:53:24 GMT
I liked CM in this way more than in her own movie but I still really disliked the part where she completely overpowers Thanos. If it wasn't for that part I would have happily been cheering her on. But because of that I found myself sighing in relief when Thanos powerstone-punched her lights out. Scarlet Witch did the same. No reason Captain Marvel couldn't. After all, they both got their powers from an Infinity Stone. Wanda hit Thanos with a ranged attack and lifted him up in the air where he couldn't successfully launch his own attack. Then Wanda started crushing him while he hung there helpless to counter her attack. That's quite different from Carol completelt stopping Thanos' attack then directly overpowering him while he tried his best to match her. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 1, 2019 22:01:31 GMT
Scarlet Witch did the same. No reason Captain Marvel couldn't. After all, they both got their powers from an Infinity Stone. Wanda hit Thanos with a ranged attack and lifted him up in the air where he couldn't successfully launch his own attack. Then Wanda started crushing him while he hung there helpless to counter her attack. That's quite different from Carol completelt stopping Thanos' attack then directly overpowering him while he tried his best to match her. Her strength comes from an Infinity Stone. I'd be surprised if it didn't make her incredibly strong. Plus, it was her two hands against Thanos' one.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 1, 2019 22:03:15 GMT
I need to see the movie again.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 22:10:58 GMT
Scarlet Witch did the same. No reason Captain Marvel couldn't. After all, they both got their powers from an Infinity Stone. Wanda hit Thanos with a ranged attack and lifted him up in the air where he couldn't successfully launch his own attack. Then Wanda started crushing him while he hung there helpless to counter her attack. That's quite different from Carol completelt stopping Thanos' attack then directly overpowering him while he tried his best to match her. I didn't think she overpowered him that hard. She overwhelmed him for a second because if you're Thanos, you don't expect anybody who looks like a human to put up a fight. It's like being overpowered by an ant. They traded blows for a second, she has the leverage being in the air, he headbutted her to not much affect, then he slight of handed the power stone off the gauntlet and punched her lights out with it. She put up a decent scrap but I thought Thanos kicked her ass.
If she was any less powered by an infinity stone, the head butt probably would have turned her to dust harder than the snap.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 1, 2019 22:19:41 GMT
Wanda hit Thanos with a ranged attack and lifted him up in the air where he couldn't successfully launch his own attack. Then Wanda started crushing him while he hung there helpless to counter her attack. That's quite different from Carol completelt stopping Thanos' attack then directly overpowering him while he tried his best to match her. Her strength comes from an Infinity Stone. I'd be surprised if it didn't make her incredibly strong. Plus, it was her two hands against Thanos' one. I saw the movie three times in theaters and can confirm. She was clearly trying to get the Gauntlet off of him as well until Thanos knocked her out. Also Thanos threw her into the ground the first time she jumped him. |
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Post by Skaathar on May 1, 2019 23:08:51 GMT
Wanda hit Thanos with a ranged attack and lifted him up in the air where he couldn't successfully launch his own attack. Then Wanda started crushing him while he hung there helpless to counter her attack. That's quite different from Carol completelt stopping Thanos' attack then directly overpowering him while he tried his best to match her. I didn't think she overpowered him that hard. She overwhelmed him for a second because if you're Thanos, you don't expect anybody who looks like a human to put up a fight. It's like being overpowered by an ant. They traded blows for a second, she has the leverage being in the air, he headbutted her to not much affect, then he slight of handed the power stone off the gauntlet and punched her lights out with it. She put up a decent scrap but I thought Thanos kicked her ass.
If she was any less powered by an infinity stone, the head butt probably would have turned her to dust harder than the snap.
Nah, there was a part there where Thanos was pushing her back then she locked her legs and Thanos was unable to push her any further. Then she started pushing him forward, then starting torquing his hand till she looked like she was going to break it. It was at this point that he grabbed the power stone and punched her with it.
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Post by Skaathar on May 1, 2019 23:14:19 GMT
Wanda hit Thanos with a ranged attack and lifted him up in the air where he couldn't successfully launch his own attack. Then Wanda started crushing him while he hung there helpless to counter her attack. That's quite different from Carol completelt stopping Thanos' attack then directly overpowering him while he tried his best to match her. Her strength comes from an Infinity Stone. I'd be surprised if it didn't make her incredibly strong. Plus, it was her two hands against Thanos' one. Wanda's and Pietro's powers also come from an Infinity stone... do you really think they can stand in front of Thanos and overpower him in a shoving match? Heck, Vision had an entire infinity stone to power him and he was still helpless against Thanos. Besides, Thanos already had all the stones in his hand at that point, and we know from Ronan that even simply handling the stone already augments your physicality.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 2, 2019 13:42:24 GMT
Her strength comes from an Infinity Stone. I'd be surprised if it didn't make her incredibly strong. Plus, it was her two hands against Thanos' one. Wanda's and Pietro's powers also come from an Infinity stone... do you really think they can stand in front of Thanos and overpower him in a shoving match? Heck, Vision had an entire infinity stone to power him and he was still helpless against Thanos. Besides, Thanos already had all the stones in his hand at that point, and we know from Ronan that even simply handling the stone already augments your physicality. Different powers for the twins. Theirs didn't include superhuman strength. It'd be like wondering why Cyclops isn't as physically strong as Colossus, even though they're both mutants. Plus, as was shown, Wanda used her telekinetic powers to overpower Thanos and hurt him. Vision was already weak from his wounds. Even with four stones, Tony's tech was enough to keep Thanos from closing his fist. He couldn't over power it.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 2, 2019 14:37:35 GMT
Her strength comes from an Infinity Stone. I'd be surprised if it didn't make her incredibly strong. Plus, it was her two hands against Thanos' one. I saw the movie three times in theaters and can confirm. She was clearly trying to get the Gauntlet off of him as well until Thanos knocked her out. Also Thanos threw her into the ground the first time she jumped him. It's a combination of people seeing what they want to see and the fact that superhero and supervillain powers have always been quite mushy and dependent on the script/story.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 18:27:38 GMT
I liked CM in this way more than in her own movie but I still really disliked the part where she completely overpowers Thanos. If it wasn't for that part I would have happily been cheering her on. But because of that I found myself sighing in relief when Thanos powerstone-punched her lights out. Scarlet Witch did the same. No reason Captain Marvel couldn't. After all, they both got their powers from an Infinity Stone. Scarlet Witch earned that moment. She was in the previous film, Carol was not.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 2, 2019 18:31:05 GMT
Scarlet Witch did the same. No reason Captain Marvel couldn't. After all, they both got their powers from an Infinity Stone. Scarlet Witch earned that moment. She was in the previous film, Carol was not. Carol was in the film right before Endgame. And she was the starring role.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 18:33:17 GMT
Scarlet Witch earned that moment. She was in the previous film, Carol was not. Carol was in the film right before Endgame. And she was the starring role. Which had nothing to do with the Infinity War story.
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Post by Skaathar on May 2, 2019 18:45:26 GMT
Let me tackle this from a different angle and see if I can get people to understand where I'm coming from:
In the Justice League movie, Steppenwolf was beating the crap out of the entire Justice League. Then Superman comes out of nowhere and singlehandedly beats the crap out of Steppenwolf.
This scene was heavily criticized by a lot of people. Why? Because it's just plain bad writing. It's a lazy way to defeat the villain, it's an anticlimactic way to end the fight, it turns Superman into a deus ex machina, it devalues the threat of the villain and it degrades the value of the entire team (because now it seems the team was not necessary and only Superman was needed).
Captain Marvel almost fell into the same trap. Almost. She literally came out of nowhere and looked like she was about to defeat Thanos singlehandedly (something that the combined efforts of the team was not able to do) and that would have ended up being just as horrible a decision as the Superman vs. Steppenwolf one. Maybe even worse given how much more fleshed out Thanos is compared to Steppenwolf. Thankfully it didn't happen, which is why I said I gave a sigh of relief when Thanos punched her off.
It's not because I dislike CM (I already mentioned I liked her in this film) or that I would have preferred someone else to have the spotlight. It's because it would have been just plain bad writing and a horrible way to defeat the villain.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 2, 2019 18:48:23 GMT
Carol was in the film right before Endgame. And she was the starring role. Which had nothing to do with the Infinity War story. Neither did Black Panther. But Wakanda was still the final showdown and climax of Infinity War.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 2, 2019 18:49:33 GMT
Let me tackle this from a different angle and see if I can get people to understand where I'm coming from: In the Justice League movie, Steppenwolf was beating the crap out of the entire Justice League. Then Superman comes out of nowhere and singlehandedly beats the crap out of Steppenwolf. This scene was heavily criticized by a lot of people. Why? Because it's just plain lazy writing. It's a lazy way to defeat the villain, it's an anticlimactic way to end the fight, it turns Superman into a deus ex machina, it devalues the threat of the villain and it degrades the value of the entire team (because now it seems the team was not necessary and only Superman was needed). Captain Marvel almost fell into the same trap. Almost. She literally came out of nowhere and looked like she was about to defeat Thanos singlehandedly (something that the combined efforts of the team was not able to do) and that would have ended up being just as horrible a decision as the Superman vs. Steppenwolf one. Maybe even worse given how much more fleshed out Thanos is compared to Steppenwolf. Thankfully it didn't happen, which is why I said I gave a sigh of relief when Thanos punched her off. It's not because I dislike CM or that I would have preferred someone else to have the spotlight. It's because it would have been just plain bad writing and a horrible way to defeat the villain. Agreed. I was also worried she'd do to him in the climax what Thor did to him at the beginning.
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Post by Skaathar on May 2, 2019 18:51:38 GMT
Let me tackle this from a different angle and see if I can get people to understand where I'm coming from: In the Justice League movie, Steppenwolf was beating the crap out of the entire Justice League. Then Superman comes out of nowhere and singlehandedly beats the crap out of Steppenwolf. This scene was heavily criticized by a lot of people. Why? Because it's just plain lazy writing. It's a lazy way to defeat the villain, it's an anticlimactic way to end the fight, it turns Superman into a deus ex machina, it devalues the threat of the villain and it degrades the value of the entire team (because now it seems the team was not necessary and only Superman was needed). Captain Marvel almost fell into the same trap. Almost. She literally came out of nowhere and looked like she was about to defeat Thanos singlehandedly (something that the combined efforts of the team was not able to do) and that would have ended up being just as horrible a decision as the Superman vs. Steppenwolf one. Maybe even worse given how much more fleshed out Thanos is compared to Steppenwolf. Thankfully it didn't happen, which is why I said I gave a sigh of relief when Thanos punched her off. It's not because I dislike CM or that I would have preferred someone else to have the spotlight. It's because it would have been just plain bad writing and a horrible way to defeat the villain. Agreed. I was also worried she'd do to him in the climax what Thor did to him at the beginning. You mean when Thor cut the head off a seriously injured Thanos who was being held down by like 4 other Avengers? That said, I do wish Thanos had put up a better fight in the beginning. Though I guess now that his mission was accomplished it makes sense that he didn't.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 2, 2019 18:53:34 GMT
Agreed. I was also worried she'd do to him in the climax what Thor did to him at the beginning. You mean when Thor cut the head off a seriously injured Thanos who was being held down by like 4 other Avengers? That said, I do wish Thanos had put up a better fight in the beginning. Though I guess now that his mission was accomplished it makes sense that he didn't. Yep. I had no issue with that. That was thoroughly satisfying. I was worried Carol would do that to a fully powered Thanos.
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Post by Skaathar on May 2, 2019 18:55:11 GMT
You mean when Thor cut the head off a seriously injured Thanos who was being held down by like 4 other Avengers? That said, I do wish Thanos had put up a better fight in the beginning. Though I guess now that his mission was accomplished it makes sense that he didn't. Yep. I had no issue with that. That was thoroughly satisfying. I was worried Carol would do that to a fully powered Thanos. Ah gotcha. Yes, I agree with that.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 18:59:33 GMT
Let me tackle this from a different angle and see if I can get people to understand where I'm coming from: In the Justice League movie, Steppenwolf was beating the crap out of the entire Justice League. Then Superman comes out of nowhere and singlehandedly beats the crap out of Steppenwolf. This scene was heavily criticized by a lot of people. Why? Because it's just plain lazy writing. It's a lazy way to defeat the villain, it's an anticlimactic way to end the fight, it turns Superman into a deus ex machina, it devalues the threat of the villain and it degrades the value of the entire team (because now it seems the team was not necessary and only Superman was needed). Captain Marvel almost fell into the same trap. Almost. She literally came out of nowhere and looked like she was about to defeat Thanos singlehandedly (something that the combined efforts of the team was not able to do) and that would have ended up being just as horrible a decision as the Superman vs. Steppenwolf one. Maybe even worse given how much more fleshed out Thanos is compared to Steppenwolf. Thankfully it didn't happen, which is why I said I gave a sigh of relief when Thanos punched her off. It's not because I dislike CM or that I would have preferred someone else to have the spotlight. It's because it would have been just plain bad writing and a horrible way to defeat the villain. I wouldn't have thought you disliked Captain Marvel. I just thought she took Thanos by surprise but he still cleaned her clock. It would have been bad writing and a horrible way to defeat the villain but it didn't happen that way. Avengers > my fever > Justice League.
Maybe it's misdirection? If you're expecting her to waltz in at the last minute and kill Thanos then punching her lights out should be a welcome alternative, no? I'm still convinced Thanos is one of the best actual fighters in the MCU. Not just for his powers and toughness but he's smart. He has reflexes like a cat, technique for days, he's fast; when he headbutt Captain Marvel, he got the drop on her. It didn't work because she took it like a champion, but it looked to me like his headbutt caught her off guard because he's that much more competent a fighter.
I would have thought power stoning her in the face reaffirms us the viewer that Thanos is the most dangerous individual on the battlefield. It's 2014 Thanos so he hasn't the gauntlet custom made for him. Captain Marvel's punching at him while half his brain is trying to figure out how to use it to back her off. He did that power stone slight of hand maneuver because he's that quick at thinking on his feet, even with a walking infinity stone woman swinging at him.
That's how I saw it. I even watched the movie sober just for the occasion.
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