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Post by Aj_June on May 2, 2019 7:32:05 GMT
Just read an article on the Time Magazine that this could mean a lot.
Also, Arya is supposed to kill someone with green eyes? Well, Cersei has green eyes. Watch out as the heroine who was promised takes out yet another major villain!
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 2, 2019 7:57:10 GMT
Yes, at this point this is the obvious thing they want viewers to expect. So it will either not come this way at all, in true GoT fashion, or the show will continue its descent into pleasing dumb shits with a supergirl farce.
There have been many, really many reasons to discard this show but the utter cheapening of the Arya story-line is the worst of all.
I feel sorry for those who liked the interesting character she was until that botched assassination attempt in S6E07. It really went to shit after that.
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Post by Aj_June on May 2, 2019 9:05:21 GMT
Yes, at this point this is the obvious thing they want viewers to expect. So it will either not come this way at all, in true GoT fashion, or the show will continue its descent into pleasing dumb shits with a supergirl farce. There have been many, really many reasons to discard this show but the utter cheapening of the Arya story-line is the worst of all. I feel sorry for those who liked the interesting character she was until that botched assassination attempt in S6E07. It really went to shit after that. I have already read your opinion of the show 300 times before. This thread is about a certain topic. Whether Arya kills Cersei or not. Irrespective of whatever be the quality of the show an intelligent person can use his intelligence to arrive at likely conclusion. The fact that he doesn't like that conclusion is not what interests me. Whether Cersei will live or die is a broad question - Anyone giving Cersei more than 20% chance of survival is just a homer. Such a person lacks intelligence and ability to understand how others think. And even for that 20% chance, one would have to give a proper argument than merely say "they just want you to think that". Problem with you is that you manage to say nothing by covering all 100% possibility with a readymade answer. Because you always add the "show is so bad that it can do anything." That won't work. That is likely saying nothing. Use your intelligence to read the direction the show is heading and arrive at a reasonable guess.
Whether Arya will kill Cersei or not is a bit more narrow question to ask - I believe If Cersei dies, which she likely would, then it would be either by Arya or by Jaime or Arya wearing Jaime's face. Yes, I would still give a good 40% chance for any other way Cersei could die. Maybe Tyrion kills her or she kills herself. But there is enough reason to believe that Cersei will likely die. Whether it would be a bad thing to do for the writers is an entirely different question.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 2, 2019 9:22:38 GMT
Yes, at this point this is the obvious thing they want viewers to expect. So it will either not come this way at all, in true GoT fashion, or the show will continue its descent into pleasing dumb shits with a supergirl farce. There have been many, really many reasons to discard this show but the utter cheapening of the Arya story-line is the worst of all. I feel sorry for those who liked the interesting character she was until that botched assassination attempt in S6E07. It really went to shit after that. I have already read your opinion of the show 300 times before. This thread is about a certain topic. Whether Arya kills Cersei or not. Irrespective of whatever be the quality of the show an intelligent person can use his intelligence to arrive at likely conclusion. The fact that he doesn't like that conclusion is not what interests me. Whether Cersei will live or die is a broad question - Anyone giving Cersei more than 20% chance of survival is just a homer. Such a person lacks intelligence and ability to understand how others think. And even for that 20% chance, one would have to give a proper argument than merely say "they just want you to think that". Problem with you is that you manage to say nothing by covering all 100% possibility with a readymade answer. Because you always add the "show is so bad that it can do anything." That won't work. That is likely saying nothing. Use your intelligence to read the direction the show is heading and arrive at a reasonable guess.
Trying to guess at what will happen in a fictional story that has abandoned logic is a futile experiment. We are not watching chess players here, or even a football game, this is a show, a performance made for entertainment. At this point, virtually anything can happen. So the only thing really worth talking about is how we perceive the arbitrary choices the writers decided to make us watch. We are not analysing the news or history to draw lessons from them, we are receiving some sort of "messages" chosen by some "artists". Are they trying to say something to change the world? Are they just trying to please and cash in? Or are they trying to surprise, shock and cash in by "making history" as GoT is said to have done before, even if it is just history of TV entertainment? Who are they writing for? This is the only thing worth talking about, really. And you don't get to decide what threads are about. People will answer whatever they want.
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Post by Aj_June on May 2, 2019 9:33:56 GMT
I have already read your opinion of the show 300 times before. This thread is about a certain topic. Whether Arya kills Cersei or not. Irrespective of whatever be the quality of the show an intelligent person can use his intelligence to arrive at likely conclusion. The fact that he doesn't like that conclusion is not what interests me. Whether Cersei will live or die is a broad question - Anyone giving Cersei more than 20% chance of survival is just a homer. Such a person lacks intelligence and ability to understand how others think. And even for that 20% chance, one would have to give a proper argument than merely say "they just want you to think that". Problem with you is that you manage to say nothing by covering all 100% possibility with a readymade answer. Because you always add the "show is so bad that it can do anything." That won't work. That is likely saying nothing. Use your intelligence to read the direction the show is heading and arrive at a reasonable guess.
Trying to guess at what will happen in a fictional story that has abandoned logic is a futile experiment. We are not watching chess players here, or even a football game, this is a show, a performance made for entertainment. At this point, virtually anything can happen. So the only thing really worth talking about is how we perceive the arbitrary choices the writers decided to make us watch. We are not analysing the news or history to draw lessons from them, we are receiving some sort of "messages" chosen by some "artists". Are they trying to say something to change the world? Are they just trying to please and cash in? Or are they trying to surprise, shock and cash in by "making history" as GoT is said to have done before, even if it is just history of TV entertainment. Who are they writing for? This is the only thing worth talking about, really. And you don't get to decide what threads are about. People will answer whatever they want. Fictional stories rarely exhibit logic and that's why fire breathing characters and zombies. It is totally reasonable to make guesses about broad topics. Just a few days back GRRM once again lauded LOTR & Tolkien. Now don't tell me that LOTR was a crap because I have read that too from you many times before. The thing is GRRM is no different than any other writers of the genre. If you thought he was then your mistake. So it is totally reasonable to believe this story will also have an ending that is not much different from endings of other fantasies. That is the main villain will be taken down. Cersei in this show. Now it can be slightly more darker if it also kills many of he heroes of the story like Jon etc etc.
The problem with you is the fact that you are totally invested in it and you are emotionally attached to Cersei. I am an Arya fan but was always open to Arya dying or other things happening that can be inferred to a reasonable degree. Because I am an objective viewer and do not judge what others are likely to do on my personal emotions. I see trends and read the characters.
I even adjust my anticipation of the quality of the show. For example after seeing episode 6 of season 7 I decreased my expectations and now I am not whining about E03S08.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 2, 2019 9:47:00 GMT
Fictional stories rarely exhibit logic and that's why fire breathing characters and zombies. It is totally reasonable to make guesses about broad topics. Just a few days back GRRM once again lauded LOTR & Tolkien. Now don't tell me that LOTR was a crap because I have read that too from you many times before. The thing is GRRM is no different than any other writers of the genre. If you thought he was then your mistake. So it is totally reasonable to believe this story will also have an ending that is not much different from endings of other fantasies. That is the main villain will be taken down. Cersei in this show. Now it can be slightly more darker if it also kills many of he heroes of the story like Jon etc etc. The problem with you is the fact that you are totally invested in it and you are emotionally attached to Cersei. I am an Arya fan but was always open to Arya dying or other things happening that can be inferred to a reasonable degree. Because I am an objective viewer and do not judge what others are likely to do on my personal emotions. I see trends and read the characters. I am not so much emotionally attached to Cersei as invested in the morals represented in the story. I debate it relentlessly because I want to fight the shit these pigs are spreading out. This is independent of the quality of the show. If a political opponent is lowering the quality of his argument, you don't just stop listening, you still take it apart and expose it. I refuse to see Cersei or Tywin before her as villains. This is a value judgement I will fight for. As to Lord of the Rings, this is a children's story and need not be analysed beyond that.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 2, 2019 10:47:10 GMT
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 2, 2019 14:04:43 GMT
I do not think arya will kill cersei, regarding aryas killing someone with green eyes , a lot characters
have green eyes on the show ,one can say dany has green eyes too in certain light and i dont think the prophesy or saying
was meant in order actually the saying goes like this :
I see a darkness in you, and in that darkness, eyes staring back at me. Brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes, eyes you’ll shut forever. We will meet again.
i think aryas big kill was the night king and that may be her last
and that was a big one ,arya will still fight and may kill other enemies but i do not think she will kill cersei
if cersei is meant to be killed by anyone it may be by someone in her own circle who betrays her
and i have a hard time believing her right hand
man will harm her he seems to support her and wants her in power
i know arya has cersei on her list but it seems most people on her list were killed by other people
and GRMM its type of writer doesnt like to give his characters what they want -when danys voice in trailer
says they will rip her out root and stem my first reaction was yeah good luck with that one cersei is no night king
she wont be easily defeated if she is meant to be she never gives up IF arya does kill cersei most fans will have another meltdown
i cant believe how upset fans are over her killing the NK ,to give her two big kills ina row? jon snow might as well disappear from the
show ..lol i will be very surprised if arya kills cersei what is the rumor? by wearing jamies or tyrions face .and they are not even dead .
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 2, 2019 14:28:28 GMT
IF arya does kill cersei most fans will have another meltdown i cant believe how upset fans are over her killing the NK ,to give her two big kills ina row? jon snow might as well disappear from the show ..lol i will be very surprised if arya kills cersei what is the rumor? by wearing jamies or tyrions face .and they are not even dead . Maybe they had an overstock of Arya figurines from previous seasons and thought they had to do something to get them sold.
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Post by Aj_June on May 2, 2019 20:23:29 GMT
Fictional stories rarely exhibit logic and that's why fire breathing characters and zombies. It is totally reasonable to make guesses about broad topics. Just a few days back GRRM once again lauded LOTR & Tolkien. Now don't tell me that LOTR was a crap because I have read that too from you many times before. The thing is GRRM is no different than any other writers of the genre. If you thought he was then your mistake. So it is totally reasonable to believe this story will also have an ending that is not much different from endings of other fantasies. That is the main villain will be taken down. Cersei in this show. Now it can be slightly more darker if it also kills many of he heroes of the story like Jon etc etc. The problem with you is the fact that you are totally invested in it and you are emotionally attached to Cersei. I am an Arya fan but was always open to Arya dying or other things happening that can be inferred to a reasonable degree. Because I am an objective viewer and do not judge what others are likely to do on my personal emotions. I see trends and read the characters. I am not so much emotionally attached to Cersei as invested in the morals represented in the story. I debate it relentlessly because I want to fight the shit these pigs are spreading out. This is independent of the quality of the show. If a political opponent is lowering the quality of his argument, you don't just stop listening, you still take it apart and expose it. I refuse to see Cersei or Tywin before her as villains. This is a value judgement I will fight for. As to Lord of the Rings, this is a children's story and need not be analysed beyond that. What you feel about morals represented in the show is independent of what the authors are trying to convey. Even you know it well that authors have always painted Cersei as the villain considering the fact that you charge them of presenting leftist egalitarian shit. So the fact is that Cersei's end will be like in another fantasy. Trying to pretend otherwise only means one thing - you are unable to understand the flow of the story or you have exaggerated notions about their capabilities. If you just persist in speaking against authors then you might have some credibility as opposed to you coming up with bullshit theories that Sansa will be the adopted daughter of Cersei or if not that then the belief that there will be some compromise between Cersei and others on equal footing. No, Cersei will be defeated in war. Get back to me if that doesn't happen.
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Post by Aj_June on May 2, 2019 20:29:52 GMT
I do not think arya will kill cersei, regarding aryas killing someone with green eyes , a lot characters have green eyes on the show ,one can say dany has green eyes too in certain light and i dont think the prophesy or saying was meant in order actually the saying goes like this : I see a darkness in you, and in that darkness, eyes staring back at me. Brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes, eyes you’ll shut forever. We will meet again. i think aryas big kill was the night king and that may be her last and that was a big one ,arya will still fight and may kill other enemies but i do not think she will kill cersei if cersei is meant to be killed by anyone it may be by someone in her own circle who betrays her and i have a hard time believing her right hand man will harm her he seems to support her and wants her in power i know arya has cersei on her list but it seems most people on her list were killed by other people and GRMM its type of writer doesnt like to give his characters what they want -when danys voice in trailer says they will rip her out root and stem my first reaction was yeah good luck with that one cersei is no night king she wont be easily defeated if she is meant to be she never gives up IF arya does kill cersei most fans will have another meltdown i cant believe how upset fans are over her killing the NK ,to give her two big kills ina row? jon snow might as well disappear from the show ..lol i will be very surprised if arya kills cersei what is the rumor? by wearing jamies or tyrions face .and they are not even dead . Wow....that is a post with so may assumptions. First you show a fallacy similar to gambler's fallacy. Just because Arya did one great thing you believe it's very unlikely that she will do another. That is how gamblers lose money. Also, the audience reaction to Arya's great deed has nothing to do with her not doing another great deed. The show was already completed long back and they are not going to change anything based on what some salty fans of other characters feel about her murdering NK. Also, Jaime and Tyrion are alive but they can also die in war. And I read in another thread that you believe Cersei will live. That's a bold prediction although there is a chance of that. Your prediction has more to do with emotions. Cersei is the same creep that gave hell of torrid time to Sansa. I hope she gets what she deserves. And my prediction is that she will likely be killed by either Jaime or Arya. Of course there are some chances of suicide and Tyrion committing the great deed.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 0:53:37 GMT
The Cersei/Green Eyes thing seems to have gotten a lot of attention. If I remember correctly the order the Red Witch said them was brown, green, and blue. I've of the impression that they were in order and the blue eyed NK was the final kill. I'm under the impression that somebody she already killed had the green eyes.
However the more and more this is getting attention has me nervous though because anything other than Jaime killing Cersei will be a massive failure imo. It just brings his storyline full circle and it would make so much more of an impact story wise to have him be the one to do it over somebody like Arya. Arya got her huge moment killing the Night King. Giving her Cersei as well imo is a bit overkill. I don't even want something like Arya wears Jaime's face either. It needs to just be Jaime and imo I think he should kill her while he himself is dying so that they die together.
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Post by Marv on May 3, 2019 1:52:30 GMT
I love Arya...but if she kills Cersei I’ll be disappointed.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 3, 2019 4:17:45 GMT
I am not so much emotionally attached to Cersei as invested in the morals represented in the story. I debate it relentlessly because I want to fight the shit these pigs are spreading out. This is independent of the quality of the show. If a political opponent is lowering the quality of his argument, you don't just stop listening, you still take it apart and expose it. I refuse to see Cersei or Tywin before her as villains. This is a value judgement I will fight for. As to Lord of the Rings, this is a children's story and need not be analysed beyond that. What you feel about morals represented in the show is independent of what the authors are trying to convey. Even you know it well that authors have always painted Cersei as the villain considering the fact that you charge them of presenting leftist egalitarian shit. So the fact is that Cersei's end will be like in another fantasy. Trying to pretend otherwise only means one thing - you are unable to understand the flow of the story or you have exaggerated notions about their capabilities. If you just persist in speaking against authors then you might have some credibility as opposed to you coming up with bullshit theories that Sansa will be the adopted daughter of Cersei or if not that then the belief that there will be some compromise between Cersei and others on equal footing. No, Cersei will be defeated in war. Get back to me if that doesn't happen. The authors are not trying to convey anything. They are not preaching. They are using popular stupidities to catch fools. This story will not make a broad statement. I see you keep "understanding" my ending as a prediction. It was never presented as such, idiot, and I even told you that. This is obviously beyond your abilities. But why am I talking to some dumb Arya fan anyway? Get lost.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 3, 2019 4:19:14 GMT
I love Arya...but if she kills Cersei I’ll be disappointed. I don't see how anyone could fail to be disappointed with what Arya has been made to do already.
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Post by Aj_June on May 3, 2019 4:24:24 GMT
What you feel about morals represented in the show is independent of what the authors are trying to convey. Even you know it well that authors have always painted Cersei as the villain considering the fact that you charge them of presenting leftist egalitarian shit. So the fact is that Cersei's end will be like in another fantasy. Trying to pretend otherwise only means one thing - you are unable to understand the flow of the story or you have exaggerated notions about their capabilities. If you just persist in speaking against authors then you might have some credibility as opposed to you coming up with bullshit theories that Sansa will be the adopted daughter of Cersei or if not that then the belief that there will be some compromise between Cersei and others on equal footing. No, Cersei will be defeated in war. Get back to me if that doesn't happen. The authors are not trying to convey anything. They are not preaching. They are using popular stupidities to catch fools. This story will not make a broad statement. I see you keep "understanding" my ending as a prediction. It was never presented as such, idiot, and I even told you that. This is obviously beyond your abilities. But why am I talking to some dumb Arya fan anyway? Get lost. The only person who needs to get lost is Leo the fucking wanker who believes in fighting against people who see Cersei as a villain.  The person who goes into meltdown about alleged egalitarian/feminist agenda of the showrunners but then contradicts himself again. The moron who has made a profile exclusively for GOT, talks about it with enthusiasm of a stupid child and gives his idiotic opinions time after time.
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Post by hehatesshe on May 3, 2019 4:48:37 GMT
What you feel about morals represented in the show is independent of what the authors are trying to convey. Even you know it well that authors have always painted Cersei as the villain considering the fact that you charge them of presenting leftist egalitarian shit. So the fact is that Cersei's end will be like in another fantasy. Trying to pretend otherwise only means one thing - you are unable to understand the flow of the story or you have exaggerated notions about their capabilities. If you just persist in speaking against authors then you might have some credibility as opposed to you coming up with bullshit theories that Sansa will be the adopted daughter of Cersei or if not that then the belief that there will be some compromise between Cersei and others on equal footing. No, Cersei will be defeated in war. Get back to me if that doesn't happen. why am I talking to some dumb Arya fan anyway? Get lost. And 1 minute later he talks to a "dumb Arya fan" again. What a fucking piece of obtuse, disingenuous shit. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 3, 2019 5:44:42 GMT
Wouldn't it be kinda boring for her to kill Littlefinger, the Night King, AND Cersei? It's like everyone else might as well have just stayed home.
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Post by Aj_June on May 3, 2019 5:51:03 GMT
Wouldn't it be kinda boring for her to kill Littlefinger, the Night King, AND Cersei? It's like everyone else might as well have just stayed home. I will personally like to see Jaime kill her. It will be a great moment if that comes to happen. Although how boring or entertaining her death might be may depend on how the story moves forward and how many characters survive at the time of her death. But as I said, Jaime killing her will be a great moment. For that matter even Tyrion although I don't think he would. And to be fair to Sansa, half the credit for LF's death goes to her too.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 3, 2019 6:05:21 GMT
Wouldn't it be kinda boring for her to kill Littlefinger, the Night King, AND Cersei? It's like everyone else might as well have just stayed home. Yes, but imagine how happy her little fans would be. Wouldn't you want to spread such joy in the world again?
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