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Post by Morgana on May 3, 2019 8:34:57 GMT
Yes, at this point this is the obvious thing they want viewers to expect. So it will either not come this way at all, in true GoT fashion, or the show will continue its descent into pleasing dumb shits with a supergirl farce. There have been many, really many reasons to discard this show but the utter cheapening of the Arya story-line is the worst of all. I feel sorry for those who liked the interesting character she was until that botched assassination attempt in S6E07. It really went to shit after that. I have already read your opinion of the show 300 times before. This thread is about a certain topic. Whether Arya kills Cersei or not. Irrespective of whatever be the quality of the show an intelligent person can use his intelligence to arrive at likely conclusion. The fact that he doesn't like that conclusion is not what interests me. Whether Cersei will live or die is a broad question - Anyone giving Cersei more than 20% chance of survival is just a homer. Such a person lacks intelligence and ability to understand how others think. And even for that 20% chance, one would have to give a proper argument than merely say "they just want you to think that". Problem with you is that you manage to say nothing by covering all 100% possibility with a readymade answer. Because you always add the "show is so bad that it can do anything." That won't work. That is likely saying nothing. Use your intelligence to read the direction the show is heading and arrive at a reasonable guess.
Whether Arya will kill Cersei or not is a bit more narrow question to ask - I believe If Cersei dies, which she likely would, then it would be either by Arya or by Jaime or Arya wearing Jaime's face. Yes, I would still give a good 40% chance for any other way Cersei could die. Maybe Tyrion kills her or she kills herself. But there is enough reason to believe that Cersei will likely die. Whether it would be a bad thing to do for the writers is an entirely different question.
I can see how Cersei dying would probably be better for everyone, but for me she is one of the more interesting characters in the show so i'm of two minds. If this wasn't the last season I would want her to stay alive, but since it is she will probably have to die
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Post by sdm3 on May 3, 2019 15:12:59 GMT
I’ll be furious (well, not furious, more like a bit annoyed) if Arya kills Cersei on top of Littlefinger AND the NK.
But I don’t agree with the premise of this article, that that particular quote signifies any connection between Arya and Cersei. More likely is that the writers simply repeated the line because they aren’t very creative. In fact, Cersei said something very similar way back in season 2: “this is what ruling is: lying on a bed of weeds, ripping them out root by root”. So you see, the writers just seem to really like that particular metaphor. They probably think it’s the height of creativity.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 3, 2019 15:31:44 GMT
But I don’t agree with the premise of this article, that that particular quote signifies any connection between Arya and Cersei. More likely is that the writers simply repeated the line because they aren’t very creative. In fact, Cersei said something very similar way back in season 2: “this is what ruling is: lying on a bed of weeds, ripping them out root by root”. So you see, the writers just seem to really like that particular metaphor. They probably think it’s the height of creativity. Cersei, S2E02: "This is what ruling is, lying on a bed of weeds, ripping them out by the root, one by one, before they strangle you in your sleep." Cersei was expressing paranoia while Daenerys expresses her usual sense of overkill. But anyway, plot twist: 
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 3, 2019 18:26:01 GMT
I do not think arya will kill cersei, regarding aryas killing someone with green eyes , a lot characters have green eyes on the show ,one can say dany has green eyes too in certain light and i dont think the prophesy or saying was meant in order actually the saying goes like this : I see a darkness in you, and in that darkness, eyes staring back at me. Brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes, eyes you’ll shut forever. We will meet again. i think aryas big kill was the night king and that may be her last and that was a big one ,arya will still fight and may kill other enemies but i do not think she will kill cersei if cersei is meant to be killed by anyone it may be by someone in her own circle who betrays her and i have a hard time believing her right hand man will harm her he seems to support her and wants her in power i know arya has cersei on her list but it seems most people on her list were killed by other people and GRMM its type of writer doesnt like to give his characters what they want -when danys voice in trailer says they will rip her out root and stem my first reaction was yeah good luck with that one cersei is no night king she wont be easily defeated if she is meant to be she never gives up IF arya does kill cersei most fans will have another meltdown i cant believe how upset fans are over her killing the NK ,to give her two big kills ina row? jon snow might as well disappear from the show ..lol i will be very surprised if arya kills cersei what is the rumor? by wearing jamies or tyrions face .and they are not even dead . Wow....that is a post with so may assumptions. First you show a fallacy similar to gambler's fallacy. Just because Arya did one great thing you believe it's very unlikely that she will do another. That is how gamblers lose money. Also, the audience reaction to Arya's great deed has nothing to do with her not doing another great deed. The show was already completed long back and they are not going to change anything based on what some salty fans of other characters feel about her murdering NK. Also, Jaime and Tyrion are alive but they can also die in war. And I read in another thread that you believe Cersei will live. That's a bold prediction although there is a chance of that. Your prediction has more to do with emotions. Cersei is the same creep that gave hell of torrid time to Sansa. I hope she gets what she deserves. And my prediction is that she will likely be killed by either Jaime or Arya. Of course there are some chances of suicide and Tyrion committing the great deed. well to qoute cersei When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground. i guess i may end up penniless LOL this show has lots of creeps in i do not think cersei is the worst of them and sansa knows and understands cersei more than anyone she tried to warn jon not to double cross her , most fans want cersei dead and maybe GRMM will give them something opposite or maybe not, like one poster mentioned i do not see how killing cersei will make the ending of the show better if she does commit suicide i would understand why fall in hands of enemies ? i wouldnt want that either , so maybe by taking her own life she wont give the satisfaction to anyone killing her or to the fans who hated her but then again cersei doesnt give up easily she will fight them to the end no matter what her fate is . I liked arya killed the NK to tell you the truth i dont care who did it as long as they put that part of the story to rest and im glad she did it , however as you can see reactions from other fans here on the board no one really wants arya to have back to back killings of important characters if they want to glorify arya killings perhaps they can do a spin-off series about her adventures otherwise , its just too much .
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Post by Aj_June on May 3, 2019 18:33:24 GMT
Wow....that is a post with so may assumptions. First you show a fallacy similar to gambler's fallacy. Just because Arya did one great thing you believe it's very unlikely that she will do another. That is how gamblers lose money. Also, the audience reaction to Arya's great deed has nothing to do with her not doing another great deed. The show was already completed long back and they are not going to change anything based on what some salty fans of other characters feel about her murdering NK. Also, Jaime and Tyrion are alive but they can also die in war. And I read in another thread that you believe Cersei will live. That's a bold prediction although there is a chance of that. Your prediction has more to do with emotions. Cersei is the same creep that gave hell of torrid time to Sansa. I hope she gets what she deserves. And my prediction is that she will likely be killed by either Jaime or Arya. Of course there are some chances of suicide and Tyrion committing the great deed. well to qoute cersei When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground. i guess i may end up penniless LOL this show has lots of creeps in i do not think cersei is the worst of them and sansa knows and understands cersei more than anyone she tried to warn jon not to double cross her , most fans want cersei dead and maybe GRMM will give them something opposite or maybe not, like one poster mentioned i do not see how killing cersei will make the ending of the show better if she does commit suicide i would understand why fall in hands of enemies ? i wouldnt want that either , so maybe by taking her own life she wont give the satisfaction to anyone killing her or to the fans who hated her but then again cersei doesnt give up easily she will fight them to the end no matter what her fate is . I liked arya killed the NK to tell you the truth i dont care who did it as long as they put that part of the story to rest and im glad she did it , however as you can see reactions from other fans here on the board no one really wants arya to have back to back killings of important characters if they want to glorify arya killings perhaps they can do a spin-off series about her adventures otherwise , its just too much . Sansa simply asks Jon not to trust her. She knows pretty well what a horrible character Cersei is and what she had suffered under her.
It is your belief that Dany is going to force the north & Vale to fight for her. But the fact is that north & Vale have themselves lost their army too and Cersei has a huge army. So if anything everyone north of KL is in danger and knows Cersei will go for a kill (especially with that huge army that she spent money on) and would like to finish of Cersei. I do love to see how that turns out. I am pretty sure Arya & Sansa both would likely support the war.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 3, 2019 18:40:46 GMT
well to qoute cersei When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground. i guess i may end up penniless LOL this show has lots of creeps in i do not think cersei is the worst of them and sansa knows and understands cersei more than anyone she tried to warn jon not to double cross her , most fans want cersei dead and maybe GRMM will give them something opposite or maybe not, like one poster mentioned i do not see how killing cersei will make the ending of the show better if she does commit suicide i would understand why fall in hands of enemies ? i wouldnt want that either , so maybe by taking her own life she wont give the satisfaction to anyone killing her or to the fans who hated her but then again cersei doesnt give up easily she will fight them to the end no matter what her fate is . I liked arya killed the NK to tell you the truth i dont care who did it as long as they put that part of the story to rest and im glad she did it , however as you can see reactions from other fans here on the board no one really wants arya to have back to back killings of important characters if they want to glorify arya killings perhaps they can do a spin-off series about her adventures otherwise , its just too much . Sansa simply asks Jon not to trust her. She knows pretty well what a horrible character Cersei is and what she had suffered under her.
It is your belief that Dany is going to force the north & Vale to fight for her. But the fact is that north & Vale have themselves lost their army too and Cersei has a huge army. So if anything everyone north of KL is in danger and knows Cersei will go for a kill (especially with that huge army that she spent money on) and would like to finish of Cersei. I do love to see how that turns out. I am pretty sure Arya & Sansa both would likely support the war.
only army i saw get lost was the drothraki , pretty sure others died too but she lost an entire army ,ofcourse the north and vale will fight and ofcourse sansa and arya will agree , they have no choice , you have too and it just sucks for them because now they got dragged into a fight if they only knew one of their own could have ended this there would be no need to bend any knees for any queen , ofcourse bran knew but he just sits there waiting everyone to die
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Post by Aj_June on May 3, 2019 18:48:08 GMT
Sansa simply asks Jon not to trust her. She knows pretty well what a horrible character Cersei is and what she had suffered under her.
It is your belief that Dany is going to force the north & Vale to fight for her. But the fact is that north & Vale have themselves lost their army too and Cersei has a huge army. So if anything everyone north of KL is in danger and knows Cersei will go for a kill (especially with that huge army that she spent money on) and would like to finish of Cersei. I do love to see how that turns out. I am pretty sure Arya & Sansa both would likely support the war.
only army i saw get lost was the drothraki , pretty sure others died too but she lost an entire army ,ofcourse the north and vale will fight and ofcourse sansa and arya will agree , they have no choice , you have too and it just sucks for them because now they got dragged into a fight if they only knew one of their own could have ended this there would be no need to bend any knees for any queen , ofcourse bran knew but he just sits there waiting everyone to die Well, If Dany's army is lost then it would be Dany who would have no choice. You got it wrong.Sansa and Arya will agree not because of fear but because they have a score to settle.
And from what I could make of last episode - all the armies are nearly gone. Just that Dothraki were the first one to go.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 4, 2019 0:21:50 GMT
of course the north and vale will fight and ofcourse sansa and arya will agree , they have no choice I'm not so sure about that. My bet is that Sansa will go against Daenerys now.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 4, 2019 20:15:01 GMT
of course the north and vale will fight and ofcourse sansa and arya will agree , they have no choice I'm not so sure about that. My bet is that Sansa will go against Daenerys now. from trailer preview scenes looks like jon follows dany to dragonstone under what circumstances we have no idea and i wonder if jon will reveal to the starks who he really is - i think something will happen
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 5, 2019 3:52:20 GMT
I'm not so sure about that. My bet is that Sansa will go against Daenerys now. from trailer preview scenes looks like jon follows dany to dragonstone under what circumstances we have no idea and i wonder if jon will reveal to the starks who he really is - i think something will happen Jon's always the man in the middle. The North won't follow him. They made him king after he told them of the White Walker threat. The Night's Watch elected him Lord Commander too and that didn't last. Now that threat is gone, or so it seems. Yes, something will happen. I saw Episode 5 is directed by Sapothingy (whatshisname) who's done the battle ones before.
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