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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 9, 2019 11:33:57 GMT
Jaime obviously insulted Brienne so she wouldn't go with him to King's Landing and get herself killed. He had just learned that Cersei had hired Bronn to kill him (at least, that's what he was told). Even Jaime isn't so stupid to run back to Cersei after that.Sure Jaime isn't. But D&D on the other hand... D&D will have most characters end the story where Martin told them they would. At least those of any significance.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 9, 2019 11:52:48 GMT
While I always enjoy reading your posts and have since many years, I found your comment as wanting two consenting adults to not have sex as rather odd. I can understand when we want young adolescents to not have sex as it could affect their future and personality development. But I do not understand desiring two mature people not to have sex. Given that they are not married and not committing incest or adultery. Perhaps I didn't explain properly. I meant that I see their love as the old 'courtly' kind, I have never thought Jaime loved her in the romantic sense, but loves her for what she is - the complete opposite of him. I see his longing for her as him longing for what he has never been but now wants to be - a good person. Courtly love is something else, a medieval purely romantic construct in the original sense of being imagined, faked as some sort of understood fantasy. Jaime and Brienne have given each other what they felt they were not getting from others. She listened to him in S3 and finally called her "Ser Jaime", no longer "Kingslayer", opening the door to his considering his honour as something valuable again. He did the same for her, acknowledging her as what she wanted to be, which culminated in the knighting ceremony. Being called "Ser Jaime" is the reason he turned back and rescued her from the Bolton men, nothing else. Their relationship is one of rare, mutual respect and there was no reason for it to go in any other direction but fighting back to back for the same, broadly recognised cause. There was never any other longing than that. But of course, the author is one of those "liberated" ex-hippies who see sexual freedom as the symbol of everything, so he would probably throw that in too, regardless of the fact that Jaime never ever cared for any other women but the one he loves. Or maybe it's just the show writers following the same principle. In any case, that decision was a writing failure.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 9, 2019 12:07:52 GMT
And of course, I cannot conclude this without exposing the utter stupidity of most of the audience: I keep hoping they'll forget to breathe sometime in the middle of the finale. |
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Post by northernlad on May 9, 2019 13:41:16 GMT
I never thought of the two of them in a romantic sort of way. I thought they were good friends who respected each other. From the very beginning Jaime seemed in awe of her fighting skills and the way she stood for herself and her honor.
She also learned that he was a man of his word. But on her side, there may have been a little crush that developed once he came back and saved her from the bear pit. I believe even Cersei may have pointed this out to her.
That said, in this season, when Jaime arrives to Winterfell, something was very different between the two. She stood up for him at the council meeting. And then afterwards, while he was talking to Tyrion, he sees her below and there's something different about the way he looked at her and their interaction. She calls him on it too when she asks him what he is doing and says something about not insulting her. There is a moment of tension right there that almost swayed me into believing that maybe there was something romantic between them and it might be on Jaime's side as well.
It surprised me that the slept together. But it didn't bother me as a fan of both of these characters, I just shrugged it off and thought, guess they did want each other.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 9, 2019 14:29:00 GMT
And of course, I cannot conclude this without exposing the utter stupidity of most of the audience:
I keep hoping they'll forget to breathe sometime in the middle of the finale. there you go ...LOL the whole jamie /brienne thing for me was brienne falling in love with jamie she was never feminine looking was made fun of her whole life she wanted to be one of the guys so the whole point of their relationship is brienne getting finale what she wanted being anointed as knight and getting a night with the hot guy
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Post by Morgana on May 10, 2019 12:47:03 GMT
Perhaps I didn't explain properly. I meant that I see their love as the old 'courtly' kind, I have never thought Jaime loved her in the romantic sense, but loves her for what she is - the complete opposite of him. I see his longing for her as him longing for what he has never been but now wants to be - a good person. Courtly love is something else, a medieval purely romantic construct in the original sense of being imagined, faked as some sort of understood fantasy. Jaime and Brienne have given each other what they felt they were not getting from others. She listened to him in S3 and finally called her "Ser Jaime", no longer "Kingslayer", opening the door to his considering his honour as something valuable again. He did the same for her, acknowledging her as what she wanted to be, which culminated in the knighting ceremony. Being called "Ser Jaime" is the reason he turned back and rescued her from the Bolton men, nothing else. Their relationship is one of rare, mutual respect and there was no reason for it to go in any other direction but fighting back to back for the same, broadly recognised cause. There was never any other longing than that. But of course, the author is one of those "liberated" ex-hippies who see sexual freedom as the symbol of everything, so he would probably throw that in too, regardless of the fact that Jaime never ever cared for any other women but the one he loves. Or maybe it's just the show writers following the same principle. In any case, that decision was a writing failure. I know what 'courtly 'love' is and I did mean it in it's sense. I agree that Jamie and Brienne have given each other what they were not getting from others, and that their relationsip is one of mutual respect. I do agree it shouldn't have gone in any other direction. It just felt forced and out of place.
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