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Post by anthonyrocks on May 6, 2019 14:37:05 GMT
I wonder what Vince McMahon will be doing to fix everything that was wrong with the XFL which actually really was just about everything!
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 6, 2019 14:39:52 GMT
I think airing games on major networks from the beginning and investing that heavily in and expecting immediate returns was probably the biggest downfall of the league the first time around... It doesn't really sound like he's doing anything differently now.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 14:45:34 GMT
what a waste...this won't succeed
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 6, 2019 15:15:26 GMT
The NFL is too established, this isn't the wild west anymore. People aren't going to tune in and watch an inferior product, period.
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 6, 2019 15:55:01 GMT
The NFL is too established, this isn't the wild west anymore. People aren't going to tune in and watch an inferior product, period. To me, college football appears to be an inferior product, but people seem to love it, quite obviously. That's clearly something entirely different, since it's so long established, but having fans watch less than the best competitors in the game isn't impossible. But expecting it to be any sort of main stream success in comparison to the NFL is insane. Somehow the MLB, and to some degree the NHL and NBA all have had some level success with a minor league of sorts. But somehow the extraordinary popularity of pro football hasn't left any room for a lower level pro league in a long time. I think generally that's because everyone has gone about it the wrong way. From the XFL the first time around, to NFL Europe, to the AAF this past year, and seemingly the new XFL next year.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 6, 2019 16:02:42 GMT
This will not succeed. If there’s a second season of this it will be a miracle. It will be a completely inferior product with rosters full of undrafted free agents and old veterans cut from the NFL and dickheads like Johnny Manziel and rules that will be halfway out of the WWE.
College football, when you compare the on-field level of play to that of the NFL, is inferior, yes. But college football is popular because a) everyone has schools they root for and against, b) every college has a vast network of alumni, and c) there are future NFL players on most every team. None of that is applicable to this Vince McMahon crap.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 6, 2019 16:05:21 GMT
The NFL is too established, this isn't the wild west anymore. People aren't going to tune in and watch an inferior product, period. To me, college football appears to be an inferior product, but people seem to love it, quite obviously. That's clearly something entirely different, since it's so long established, but having fans watch less than the best competitors in the game isn't impossible. But expecting it to be any sort of main stream success in comparison to the NFL is insane. Somehow the MLB, and to some degree the NHL and NBA all have had some level success with a minor league of sorts. But somehow the extraordinary popularity of pro football hasn't left any room for a lower level pro league in a long time. I think generally that's because everyone has gone about it the wrong way. From the XFL the first time around, to NFL Europe, to the AAF this past year, and seemingly the new XFL next year. The community has a connection to college football that they'll never have with a pro team (at least in the places college sports are huge). And the product isn't inferior if yours is a powerhouse program. People aren't interested in watching the Memphis Nobodies take on the Birmingham Whositnows, especially when the rosters are made up of washouts from the NFL. You make a good point with other sports, though. I think the difference is those leagues are marketed as minor leagues whereas the XFLs are trying to compete with the NFL. Even the AAF which said it was trying to become a developmental league, was passed onto audiences with this expectation of top quality football (hence all the big names as coaches). Admit what you are, start small and build your way up.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 6, 2019 16:19:12 GMT
To me, college football appears to be an inferior product, but people seem to love it, quite obviously. That's clearly something entirely different, since it's so long established, but having fans watch less than the best competitors in the game isn't impossible. But expecting it to be any sort of main stream success in comparison to the NFL is insane. Somehow the MLB, and to some degree the NHL and NBA all have had some level success with a minor league of sorts. But somehow the extraordinary popularity of pro football hasn't left any room for a lower level pro league in a long time. I think generally that's because everyone has gone about it the wrong way. From the XFL the first time around, to NFL Europe, to the AAF this past year, and seemingly the new XFL next year. The community has a connection to college football that they'll never have with a pro team (at least in the places college sports are huge). And the product isn't inferior if yours is a powerhouse program. People aren't interested in watching the Memphis Nobodies take on the Birmingham Whositnows, especially when the rosters are made up of washouts from the NFL. You make a good point with other sports, though. I think the difference is those leagues are marketed as minor leagues whereas the XFLs are trying to compete with the NFL. Even the AAF which said it was trying to become a developmental league, was passed onto audiences with this expectation of top quality football (hence all the big names as coaches). Admit what you are, start small and build your way up. I lived in Charlottesville for a while, home of the University of Virginia. There are no hometown big 4 franchises less than two or three hours away, so it’s all college all the time. The Cavalier football team is insanely popular there despite not having been good in like 30 years. The rivalry with Virginia Tech is typical of other rivalries. While people there like the Redskins, Cowboys, or Steelers, they live and breathe UVA. As previously stated, no one would give two shits about an XFL team. If Philly gets one of these teams they’d rank way below even the arena league team Philadelphia Soul. That is an entertaining product and the Philly franchise is owned by Ron Jaworski and they’ve won at least one league championship. I couldn’t name one guy on the roster but that’s beside the point. They are what they are and do it well. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 6, 2019 16:31:55 GMT
And the product isn't inferior if yours is a powerhouse program. People aren't interested in watching the Memphis Nobodies take on the Birmingham Whositnows, especially when the rosters are made up of washouts from the NFL. Agree with the rest of the post, but I'd argue that College football is inferior, at least technically. It can be entertaining, but at best a handful of players at a time on the best teams are going to be stars in the NFL. I suppose the coaches are every bit as qualified as any NFL coach, but the general skill level is undeniably lower on the college field than that of the NFL.
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 6, 2019 16:35:02 GMT
I lived in Charlottesville for a while, home of the University of Virginia. There are no hometown big 4 franchises less than two or three hours away, so it’s all college all the time. The Cavalier football team is insanely popular there despite not having been good in like 30 years. The rivalry with Virginia Tech is typical of other rivalries. While people there like the Redskins, Cowboys, or Steelers, they live and breathe UVA. As previously stated, no one would give two shits about an XFL team. If Philly gets one of these teams they’d rank way below even the arena league team Philadelphia Soul. That is an entertaining product and the Philly franchise is owned by Ron Jaworski and they’ve won at least one league championship. I couldn’t name one guy on the roster but that’s beside the point. They are what they are and do it well. Any start up pro football league should aim to be like the arena league. They should hope to just be a sustainable off season football league that could act as a developmental league for young players or showcase for guys who aren't starters in the NFL, and showcase for coaches who are lower down or not on NFL staffs at all.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 6, 2019 16:43:22 GMT
And the product isn't inferior if yours is a powerhouse program. People aren't interested in watching the Memphis Nobodies take on the Birmingham Whositnows, especially when the rosters are made up of washouts from the NFL. Agree with the rest of the post, but I'd argue that College football is inferior, at least technically. It can be entertaining, but at best a handful of players at a time on the best teams are going to be stars in the NFL. I suppose the coaches are every bit as qualified as any NFL coach, but the general skill level is undeniably lower on the college field than that of the NFL. No argument here. I'm not saying Clemson or Alabama could beat a 2-14 NFL team. I'm saying the fans don't think it's an inferior product when their team wins 77-10 every week.
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 6, 2019 22:31:27 GMT
I see its regular season is end of February through April. Good thing there's March Madness nothing else NHL playoffs on the sports NBA playoffs calendar.
Tremendous business sense for all.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 6, 2019 22:33:45 GMT
yawn
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 7, 2019 5:43:10 GMT
I plan on going to the games.
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 8, 2019 4:39:01 GMT
No chance... No chance in hell... they've got... No chance.
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Post by anthonyrocks on May 8, 2019 5:10:43 GMT
No chance... No chance in hell... they've got... No chance.
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