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Post by Marv on May 6, 2019 15:51:49 GMT
That Cersei tells Dany to kneel...Dany refuses...Cersei kills her captive.
Exactly like Dany did to Sams brother and father. I doubt Dany will notice this, but it's an interesting parallel.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 6, 2019 15:54:39 GMT
Daenerys is not a vanquished prisoner, she is outside with an army. There may be no moral limits to self-defence.
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Post by Aj_June on May 6, 2019 16:07:18 GMT
That Cersei tells Dany to kneel...Dany refuses...Cersei kills her captive. Exactly like Dany did to Sams brother and father. I doubt Dany will notice this, but it's an interesting parallel. The difference being that Tarly was given some choice but Missandei was given none.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2019 16:11:43 GMT
That Cersei tells Dany to kneel...Dany refuses...Cersei kills her captive. Exactly like Dany did to Sams brother and father. I doubt Dany will notice this, but it's an interesting parallel. It isn’t the same since she wasn’t negotiating with Sam. She killed them based on their choices not Sams. |
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Post by Marv on May 6, 2019 16:25:17 GMT
Obviously its not exactly the same. I mean the Tarlys were men and were burned while Missandei is a woman and was decapitated. They're both still killing prisoners of war.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 6, 2019 18:59:36 GMT
That Cersei tells Dany to kneel...Dany refuses...Cersei kills her captive. Exactly like Dany did to Sams brother and father. I doubt Dany will notice this, but it's an interesting parallel. There are some parallels, but there are some differences.
Its kinda like when Ned is first seen cutting off someone's head in the beginning of the 1st season, and then is killed the same way at the end of that season.
The difference is that Sam's father and son were given a choice, Misandei didn't have the choice to save herself. The choice was being made for her by others.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 6, 2019 20:04:38 GMT
That Cersei tells Dany to kneel...Dany refuses...Cersei kills her captive. Exactly like Dany did to Sams brother and father. I doubt Dany will notice this, but it's an interesting parallel. cersei is the rightful queen of the seven kingdoms ,invaders have come to her land , home , castle to invade and kill her right or wrong she has a right to defend herself , she executes like she sees fit , dany is a self proclaimed wanna be queen who started executing burning before she even got the throne how is she going to make people love her or respect her when she does things supposedly she is against?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2019 20:06:47 GMT
That Cersei tells Dany to kneel...Dany refuses...Cersei kills her captive. Exactly like Dany did to Sams brother and father. I doubt Dany will notice this, but it's an interesting parallel. cersei is the rightful queen of the seven kingdoms ,invaders have come to her land , home , castle to invade and kill her right or wrong she has a right to defend herself , she executes like she sees fit , dany is a self proclaimed wanna be queen who started executing burning before she even got the throne how is she going to make people love her or respect her when she does things supposedly she is against? Cersei isn’t a rightful ruler. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 6, 2019 20:10:59 GMT
cersei is the rightful queen of the seven kingdoms ,invaders have come to her land , home , castle to invade and kill her right or wrong she has a right to defend herself , she executes like she sees fit , dany is a self proclaimed wanna be queen who started executing burning before she even got the throne how is she going to make people love her or respect her when she does things supposedly she is against? Cersei isn’t a rightful ruler. dany isnt either
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Post by Marv on May 6, 2019 20:11:48 GMT
That Cersei tells Dany to kneel...Dany refuses...Cersei kills her captive. Exactly like Dany did to Sams brother and father. I doubt Dany will notice this, but it's an interesting parallel. cersei is the rightful queen of the seven kingdoms ,invaders have come to her land , home , castle to invade and kill her right or wrong she has a right to defend herself , she executes like she sees fit , dany is a self proclaimed wanna be queen who started executing burning before she even got the throne how is she going to make people love her or respect her when she does things supposedly she is against? What is rightful anyhow? It never seems to mean anything. Was Robert rightful? Joffrey? Aegon the Conqueror? Rights are appointed by the ones that win. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2019 20:13:42 GMT
Cersei isn’t a rightful ruler. dany isnt either so your logic is just cancelled out. The one who rules is the one who wins. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 6, 2019 20:14:31 GMT
cersei is the rightful queen of the seven kingdoms ,invaders have come to her land , home , castle to invade and kill her right or wrong she has a right to defend herself , she executes like she sees fit , dany is a self proclaimed wanna be queen who started executing burning before she even got the throne how is she going to make people love her or respect her when she does things supposedly she is against? What is rightful anyhow? It never seems to mean anything. Was Robert rightful? Joffrey? Aegon the Conqueror? Rights are appointed by the ones that win. and cersei won and now she is queen , dany growing up was told a story over and over how her mad father was killed and because they are dragons they are the rightful heirs in the beginning she didnt even want to be a queen all she wanted was a home
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 6, 2019 20:16:58 GMT
It’s so weird that the rare Cersei fan out there doesn’t realize she is quite insane.
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Post by Marv on May 6, 2019 20:18:35 GMT
What is rightful anyhow? It never seems to mean anything. Was Robert rightful? Joffrey? Aegon the Conqueror? Rights are appointed by the ones that win. and cersei won and now she is queen , dany growing up was told a story over and over how her mad father was killed and because they are dragons they are the rightful heirs in the beginning she didnt even want to be a queen all she wanted was a home Cersei hasn’t won yet. The conflict is ongoing. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 7, 2019 3:25:00 GMT
cersei is the rightful queen of the seven kingdoms ,invaders have come to her land , home , castle to invade and kill her right or wrong she has a right to defend herself , she executes like she sees fit , dany is a self proclaimed wanna be queen who started executing burning before she even got the throne how is she going to make people love her or respect her when she does things supposedly she is against? Cersei isn’t a rightful ruler. She absolutely is. Dumb little idealists don't understand this.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 7, 2019 3:31:01 GMT
cersei is the rightful queen of the seven kingdoms ,invaders have come to her land , home , castle to invade and kill her right or wrong she has a right to defend herself , she executes like she sees fit , dany is a self proclaimed wanna be queen who started executing burning before she even got the throne how is she going to make people love her or respect her when she does things supposedly she is against? What is rightful anyhow? It never seems to mean anything. Was Robert rightful? Joffrey? Aegon the Conqueror? Rights are appointed by the ones that win. Rightful is what is above the parties and accepted by them. That's the referee in a football game. Joffrey was rightful, Aegon the Conqueror wasn't. Robert was a rebel, not rightful, but he wasn't out for the throne. He was chosen to be king after the rebellion had ended and that made him rightful. This was sadly not presented in the show but the books say that Robert was chosen for his Targaryen ancestry which made him more acceptable by the losing side. All power started as a thug's violence. Think of the ape murdering others in 2001 Space Odyssey. When that ape's succession becomes the result of a broad agreement instead of the result of applied force, that succession is rightful. Robert, Joffrey, Tommen and Cersei came into power that way. Aegon was the ape with dragons instead of a club. Daenerys is just another ape with dragons. Joffrey was contested and Renly was an ape with an army, coming to take what he could. Stannis was the same.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 7, 2019 14:34:32 GMT
What is rightful anyhow? It never seems to mean anything. Was Robert rightful? Joffrey? Aegon the Conqueror? Rights are appointed by the ones that win. Rightful is what is above the parties and accepted by them. That's the referee in a football game. Joffrey was rightful, Aegon the Conqueror wasn't. Robert was a rebel, not rightful, but he wasn't out for the throne. He was chosen to be king after the rebellion had ended and that made him rightful. This was sadly not presented in the show but the books say that Robert was chosen for his Targaryen ancestry which made him more acceptable by the losing side. All power started as a thug's violence. Think of the ape murdering others in 2001 Space Odyssey. When that ape's succession becomes the result of a broad agreement instead of the result of applied force, that succession is rightful. Robert, Joffrey, Tommen and Cersei came into power that way. Aegon was the ape with dragons instead of a club. Daenerys is just another ape with dragons. Joffrey was contested and Renly was an ape with an army, coming to take what he could. Stannis was the same. Try to justify Joffrey being a legitimate King. I dare you.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 7, 2019 14:36:40 GMT
Rightful is what is above the parties and accepted by them. That's the referee in a football game. Joffrey was rightful, Aegon the Conqueror wasn't. Robert was a rebel, not rightful, but he wasn't out for the throne. He was chosen to be king after the rebellion had ended and that made him rightful. This was sadly not presented in the show but the books say that Robert was chosen for his Targaryen ancestry which made him more acceptable by the losing side. All power started as a thug's violence. Think of the ape murdering others in 2001 Space Odyssey. When that ape's succession becomes the result of a broad agreement instead of the result of applied force, that succession is rightful. Robert, Joffrey, Tommen and Cersei came into power that way. Aegon was the ape with dragons instead of a club. Daenerys is just another ape with dragons. Joffrey was contested and Renly was an ape with an army, coming to take what he could. Stannis was the same. Try to justify Joffrey being a legitimate King. I dare you. You mean nothing.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 7, 2019 14:42:43 GMT
Try to justify Joffrey being a legitimate King. I dare you. You mean nothing. Once again you fail to explain yourself and post insults. This is all you can do because there is no logical way to explain Joffrey as a legitimate King, just like most of your posts.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 7, 2019 14:46:39 GMT
Once again you fail to explain yourself and post insults. This is all you can do because there is no logical way to explain Joffrey as a legitimate King, just like most of your posts. You're not worth explaining things to. I did elsewhere, you didn't get it.
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