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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 7, 2019 20:32:19 GMT
this is a short 9 minute video but this guy did really good job explaing danys actions /phases through the seasons
and why she is a complex villian
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 4:10:10 GMT
The "witch" never admitted to anything and Daenerys didn't even ask. She burned her alive for personal use, without any sense of punishment. There was no trial, no accusation. "It is not your screams I want, only your life".
The Unsullied were brainwashed and gave the only answer they new, which was unanimous acceptance. Daenerys did not really free them, she is still using them as soldiers dying for her own use.
This guy still hasn't fully woken up.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 10:14:46 GMT
For a long time, I thought Daenerys was just a tyrant, a thug who wanted to take something away from others, impose her will on them. She wasn't "mad" or even showing signs of getting there. I never watched her past S6, so maybe I missed things on the way since.
Come to this point, after her reaction to Missandei's execution, I see she is not going into a fight with the expectation of meeting due resistance and taking blows, as any thug would. She is outraged by it, as someone who has left reality to live in her own fantasy. She is not sad or shocked at what she consciously made her friends risk, she takes legitimate resistance as aggression towards herself, as negation of the entitlement on which she bases her identity, oblivious to being the actual aggressor who could have stayed happily in Meereen forever. Daenerys has crossed the line. The look on her face shows that she is no longer reacting rationally.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 8, 2019 12:13:09 GMT
You guys live in a fantasy world.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 12:31:29 GMT
You guys live in a fantasy world. You're an idiot.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 8, 2019 12:51:56 GMT
If you think Daenerys is as vilian you also have to think Cersei is a villian.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 13:01:36 GMT
If you think Daenerys is as vilian you also have to think Cersei is a villian. What about learning to spell the word, illiterate ass? Not that I would expect you to make sense anyway.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 14:01:33 GMT
This is an old one from S7. Her retarded fans never saw it coming.
If there are any Daenerys enthusiasts in your life, think how pathetic they are and don't let their opinion on anything have any bearing on you. They are the dumbest shit there is.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 8, 2019 14:19:14 GMT
If you think Daenerys is as vilian you also have to think Cersei is a villian. why do you always have to bring in cersei ? talk about danys actions or are you too afraid?
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 8, 2019 14:22:12 GMT
You guys live in a fantasy world. its the fantasy world GRRM has written this was his intent for this character all along the guy who did the video made really good points and there are more like him on youtube you do realize the word daenerys uses "Dracarys" means "Burn them all" sounds familiar? you know who esle used to scream that? her MAD FATHER. 
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Post by Winter_King on May 8, 2019 14:26:23 GMT
The "witch" never admitted to anything and Daenerys didn't even ask. She burned her alive for personal use, without any sense of punishment. There was no trial, no accusation. "It is not your screams I want, only your life". It's heavily implied that she was the one to put Drogo in a catatonic state as she says that due to her spell Drogo and Dany's son won't cause any harm to anyone else. They might be, but they were offered a choice and they choose to follow her. They could leave at anytime. She is using soldiers as any leader in Westeros is using soldiers.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 8, 2019 14:27:52 GMT
The "witch" never admitted to anything and Daenerys didn't even ask. She burned her alive for personal use, without any sense of punishment. There was no trial, no accusation. "It is not your screams I want, only your life". It's heavily implied that she was the one to put Drogo in a catatonic state as she says that due to her spell Drogo and her son won't cause any harm to anyone else. They might be, but they were offered a choice and they choose to follow her. They could leave at anytime. She is using soldiers as any leader in Westeros is using soldiers. the witch told dany she is MAD
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Post by Winter_King on May 8, 2019 14:30:12 GMT
It's heavily implied that she was the one to put Drogo in a catatonic state as she says that due to her spell Drogo and her son won't cause any harm to anyone else. They might be, but they were offered a choice and they choose to follow her. They could leave at anytime. She is using soldiers as any leader in Westeros is using soldiers. the witch told dany she is MAD She might be. That being said, that scream was perfectly justified. I have to say, I wasn't much of a fan of Emilia Clarke's acting but she is killing it this season. She might be the MVP of season 8. Btw thanks for the video. It was pretty good.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 8, 2019 14:33:32 GMT
If you think Daenerys is as vilian you also have to think Cersei is a villian. why do you always have to bring in cersei ? talk about danys actions or are you too afraid? Well that is just a lie and i ignore lies.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 8, 2019 14:38:23 GMT
why do you always have to bring in cersei ? talk about danys actions or are you too afraid? Well that is just a lie and i ignore lies. YOURE JUST LYING TO YOURSELF
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Post by DSDSquared on May 8, 2019 14:43:04 GMT
You guys live in a fantasy world. its the fantasy world GRRM has written this was his intent for this character all along the guy who did the video made really good points and there are more like him on youtube you do realize the word daenerys uses "Dracarys" means "Burn them all" sounds familiar? you know who esle used to scream that? her MAD FATHER. Game of Thrones is a fantasy world. This is the real world. You and Leo supposedly live in the real world, but keep living in a fantasy where somehow Cersei is the good guy and Dany is the bad guy. It is simply not true. I have explained to you many times on why it is not and none of my points can even be refuted, so you do not bother. If Dany were even half the Mad Queen you guys think she is, then the show would already be over because she would have won easily. Many times she has had a chance to 'burn them all' and chose the higher ground because she really is interested in being a good ruler. I am not even a Dany fan. I prefer Cersei. However, I actually know who the characters are. You do not.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 14:45:51 GMT
The "witch" never admitted to anything and Daenerys didn't even ask. She burned her alive for personal use, without any sense of punishment. There was no trial, no accusation. "It is not your screams I want, only your life". It's heavily implied that she was the one to put Drogo in a catatonic state as she says that due to her spell Drogo and Dany's son won't cause any harm to anyone else. They might be, but they were offered a choice and they choose to follow her. They could leave at anytime. She is using soldiers as any leader in Westeros is using soldiers. Heavy implications are traps for fools to jump in. What is not implied is that she told no one should enter and Jorah brought Daenerys in the tent. The choice of the brainwashed has as much value as the vote of the plebs, you know.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 8, 2019 14:51:08 GMT
its the fantasy world GRRM has written this was his intent for this character all along the guy who did the video made really good points and there are more like him on youtube you do realize the word daenerys uses "Dracarys" means "Burn them all" sounds familiar? you know who esle used to scream that? her MAD FATHER. Game of Thrones is a fantasy world. This is the real world. You and Leo supposedly live in the real world, but keep living in a fantasy where somehow Cersei is the good guy and Dany is the bad guy. It is simply not true. I have explained to you many times on why it is not and none of my points can even be refuted, so you do not bother. If Dany were even half the Mad Queen you guys think she is, then the show would already be over because she would have won easily. Many times she has had a chance to 'burn them all' and chose the higher ground because she really is interested in being a good ruler. I am not even a Dany fan. I prefer Cersei. However, I actually know who the characters are. You do not. LOL yes GOT is a fantasy world and this is what we are discussing characters in a fantasy world , unless you think they are real ,no need to hide you like dany i really dont care but dont pretend to be a cersei fan when youre NOT If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
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Post by Winter_King on May 8, 2019 14:53:00 GMT
It's heavily implied that she was the one to put Drogo in a catatonic state as she says that due to her spell Drogo and Dany's son won't cause any harm to anyone else. They might be, but they were offered a choice and they choose to follow her. They could leave at anytime. She is using soldiers as any leader in Westeros is using soldiers. Heavy implications are traps for fools to jump in. What is not implied is that she told no one should enter and Jorah brought Daenerys in the tent. The witch never denied it. Until shown otherwise, the most likely explanation for Drogo state was due to the Witch's spell. Still better than being a slave. One could argue that everyone is bit brainwashed by their upbringing and the place of their birth.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 8, 2019 15:02:37 GMT
Heavy implications are traps for fools to jump in. What is not implied is that she told no one should enter and Jorah brought Daenerys in the tent. The witch never denied it. Until shown otherwise, the most likely explanation for Drogo state was due to the Witch's spell. Still better than being a slave. One could argue that everyone is bit brainwashed by their upbringing and the place of their birth. The "witch" was kept ambiguous on purpose. She was also made to speak of the gods, display a fatalistic mindset and say she no longer cared for her life. So that possibility made as much sense as the other. The important point, however, was that Daenerys never tried to find out. She went along with her intent and killed her without knowing. It didn't matter to her. And no, being a soldier in Daenerys' pointlessly murderous wars is not better than being a well fed slave guard in some quiet palace in Essos, unless you belong to the brainwashed who have been fed "freedom" at all cost by politicians who make a career of fooling voters.
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