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Post by kuatorises on May 9, 2019 14:59:51 GMT
No, not that. I don't mind him being smart or coherent. But after getting his ASS ABSOLUTELY HANDED TO HIM by Thanos, how do you not have him get some revenge? Hell, he didn't even have a single visible fight (I know he was in the big battle) on screen! Not only did no one else get completely humiliated against Thanos like he did, but they all got a chance to fight him both one-on-one and as a group. Christ, he didn't even transform the rest of the movie.
I get that they made it clear none of them can take Thanos one-on-one. That's fine. But how does the Hulk not get a piece of that action? What an absolutely terrible mistake. It's arguably the worst mistake of the entire franchise. The way the character has been handled is all over the map, but mostly disappointing. He's lost so many fights. I think more than he's won.I actually loved the movie and have pretty much no complaints at all the way the Russo's treated his character.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 9, 2019 15:09:38 GMT
Yeah it was my biggest issue with Endgame. Thanos essentially killed the Hulk as we knew him at the beginning of IW. We never got to see that character again, only the goofy (and fun in his own way) Professor Hulk in the next film. He deserved a rematch, even a single punch to Thanos's face in Endgame.
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Post by kuatorises on May 9, 2019 15:23:26 GMT
Yeah it was my biggest issue with Endgame. Thanos essentially killed the Hulk as we knew him at the beginning of IW. We never got to see that character again, only the goofy (and fun in his own way) Professor Hulk in the next film. He deserved a rematch, even a single punch to Thanos's face in Endgame. I literally have thought the same thing even leading up to the movie. I knew that they wouldn't have any one person defeat Thanos (Stark using the gaunelent doesn't count), but I thought maybe Hulk would deliver either the final or the biggest blow. He couldn't have been the professor the entire movie and then on savage in the final battle? There are no words for how big of a mistake that is.
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Post by kuatorises on May 9, 2019 15:28:21 GMT
Yeaaaah I see where you're coming from, but we all know Hulk is a beast. It would've been nice fan service, but I don't think we needed that moment. He's not though. Stark ragdolls him in AoU, Thor beats him in Ragnorak, and Thanos humiliates him in IW.
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Post by Skaathar on May 9, 2019 16:10:03 GMT
Actually they showed that Captain Marvel was stronger than Thanos if it wasn't for the Infinity Gauntlet.
But anyway, yeah, I agree that Hulk was completed disrespected in this movie. Even more so than Thor. Why would you make the guy who's usually known for being the strongest, most physical Avenger not have a single fight? They didn't even show him to be that smart since he was unable to make their time travel work. In short, he was completely useless.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 9, 2019 16:19:22 GMT
Considering that the Thanos they fought in the final battle was technically a different Thanos from the one who beat the Hulk, I don’t think it would’ve made much of a difference.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 17:31:48 GMT
I thought it was weird. It took me sooner to get used to rebooted Thor than Hulk. Hulk never got satisfaction. Thanos' beating was his sendoff, and he beat Hulk so hard it's like he smashed the two egos together within the body.
He did some decent things, like snapping the deceased back into existence. But we didn't get one last Hulk roar, which would have been nice.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 9, 2019 17:33:42 GMT
I thought it was weird. It took me sooner to get used to rebooted Thor than Hulk. Hulk never got satisfaction. Thanos' beating was his sendoff, and he beat Hulk so hard it's like he smashed the two egos together within the body.
He did some decent things, like snapping the deceased back into existence. But we didn't get one last Hulk roar, which would have been nice.
Like Thor, his story isn't over so we still may get that yet. The bummer is he'll never get to stick it to Thanos.
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Post by Archelaus on May 9, 2019 17:38:50 GMT
I wanted to see a rematch of the Hulk versus Thanos, but Thanos outclasses the Hulk in every way. It would have been the same result.
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Post by Vassaggo on May 9, 2019 18:53:11 GMT
I wanted to see a rematch of the Hulk versus Thanos, but Thanos outclasses the Hulk in every way. It would have been the same result. Just quicker as Professor Hulk is the weakest Hulk.
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Post by Archelaus on May 9, 2019 18:55:47 GMT
I wanted to see a rematch of the Hulk versus Thanos, but Thanos outclasses the Hulk in every way. It would have been the same result. Just quicker as Professor Hulk is the weakest Hulk. That said, I'm curious how well Thanos would do against World Breaker Hulk?
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Post by Prime etc. on May 9, 2019 18:59:46 GMT
Welcome to the wonderful world of Disney SJW propaganda.
Having the Hulk beat up someone is just too old fashioned male behavior (maybe they were concerned about people liking the Loki thing in Avengers 1-but that film was made before Disney bought Marvel wasn't it?).
Even having him outsmart Thanos (which would be a reasonable alternative) is too old fashioned in story sense for the Disney management.
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Post by Vassaggo on May 9, 2019 19:05:20 GMT
Just quicker as Professor Hulk is the weakest Hulk. That said, I'm curious how well Thanos would do against World Breaker Hulk? Can Thanos use his energy beams, Telekinesis, Augment his massive strenght whith cosmic energy, teleport, etc. Or just fight strength and fighting skill? If unfettered still give it to Thanos.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 9, 2019 19:09:00 GMT
Welcome to the wonderful world of Disney SJW propaganda. Having the Hulk beat up someone is just too old fashioned male behavior (maybe they were concerned about people liking the Loki thing in Avengers 1-but that film was made before Disney bought Marvel wasn't it?). Even having him outsmart Thanos (which would be a reasonable alternative) is too old fashioned in story sense for the Disney management. The Avengers was released nearly three years after Disney bought Marvel. Also, you are aware that the one who defeated Thanos was a white man, right?
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Post by Prime etc. on May 9, 2019 19:17:39 GMT
The Avengers was released nearly three years after Disney bought Marvel. Also, you are aware that the one who defeated Thanos was a white man, right? Oh right--Disney got Lucasfilm in 2012. What white man defeated Thanos?
Thor? Captain America?
If you mean Tony Stark he used a weapon and dies in the process. That is very different in message form the Hulk getting back at someone in a fist fight. Maybe Disney executives think little kids identify with the Hulk so they didn't want to encourage male aggression.
Using a magical weapon is not the same.
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Post by Skaathar on May 9, 2019 19:24:36 GMT
My biggest grip with their treatment of Hulk is that we were supposed to get an explanation as to why he didn't come out in IW. Banner and Hulk were supposed to come to some sort of resolution, fix their issues, which is how they ended up with Professor Hulk. The Russos even confirmed that they were giving the Hulk a story arc that was going to culminate in Endgame.
What the hell happened to all of that? There was no real character arc, no explanation to Hulk's behavior and no resolution to his conflict with Banner.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 19:30:11 GMT
My biggest grip with their treatment of Hulk is that we were supposed to get an explanation as to why he didn't come out in IW. Banner and Hulk were supposed to come to some sort of resolution, fix their issues, which is how they ended up with Professor Hulk. The Russos even confirmed that they were giving the Hulk a story arc that was going to culminate in Endgame. What the hell happened to all of that? There was no real character arc, no explanation to Hulk's behavior and no resolution to his conflict with Banner. I read somewhere that the idea was Hulk's dissatisfaction with being used by Banner whenever the going gets tough. The Hulk doesn't like being taken for granted so he protests coming out.
That's the explanation I've heard, and I didn't get that impression from the movie at all. To me, it looked like Thanos beat Hulk's ass so hard he never wanted to come out again.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 9, 2019 19:40:19 GMT
The Avengers was released nearly three years after Disney bought Marvel. Also, you are aware that the one who defeated Thanos was a white man, right? Oh right--Disney got Lucasfilm in 2012. What white man defeated Thanos?
Thor? Captain America?
If you mean Tony Stark he used a weapon and dies in the process. That is very different in message form the Hulk getting back at someone in a fist fight. Maybe Disney executives think little kids identify with the Hulk so they didn't want to encourage male aggression.
Using a magical weapon is not the same.
Iron Man was the one who took the stones away from Thanos, something that not even Captain Marvel was able to do. Of course, if Iron Man using the Infinity Gauntlet to save the day wasn’t good enough for you, keep in mind that Hulk was the one who used the Gauntlet to bring back the people who died in the Snap.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 9, 2019 19:52:46 GMT
Iron Man was the one who took the stones away from Thanos, something that not even Captain Marvel was able to do. Of course, if Iron Man using the Infinity Gauntlet to save the day wasn’t good enough for you, keep in mind that Hulk was the one who used the Gauntlet to bring back the people who died in the Snap. DisneyMarvel Iron Man comes across as the beta male (they tried their best to make RDJ into the alpha but he got more and more beta as the movies progressed--more nerdy). But the point is, the Hulk had a fist fight and was beaten and ran away. Logically, from a story sense, one expects some kind of redemption/resolution for this.
A bully gets his comeuppance or something. They did not do this because from Disney management's POV, any kind of male authority success is bad--and the fact that Stark dies makes sure that he does not really succeed in a traditional heroic sense.
It's like Luke just fading away like a feeb. Audiences expect a certain pattern with stories. Disney is deliberately avoiding that because they have an agenda to push.
It's even true with their favorite pet Black Panther. Yes, he beats the other guy in a fight (rare for a Marvel character) but then he says he is opening up Wakanda to the world--a multicultural gesture.
Not as bad as what happened in Asgard though. The trannies are a-coming (in all senses of the word unfortunately).
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 9, 2019 19:53:43 GMT
I'm fine with it.
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