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Post by xystophoros on May 10, 2019 4:46:18 GMT
Back in season two, when the warlocks stole the baby dragons and Daenerys had to venture into their palace to get them back, she was confronted by several visions and possibilities.
One showed her what would’ve happened had she not enlisted the “help” of the witch who turned Drogo into a vegetable — an idyllic life with a vibrant baby boy and a living Khal Drogo, all of them together as a happy family.
But another vision shows a much darker scene: Daenerys, alone, walks into the throne room of the Red Keep.
It’s been destroyed. The roof has been torn open, and snow is accumulating on the floor. Or is that ash?
Which harkens back to Tyrion’s warning to Daenerys not to destroy the city of she’ll end up as “queen of the ashes.”
Now we’re at the point where an enraged Daenerys wants to lay waste to the Red Keep, regardless of the peasants Cersei is using as human shields. She’s not listening to her advisors and wants to see Cersei suffer.
Then there’s Jon and the question of his claim to the throne, which will come to a head in this next episode as word gets out that he’s a Targaryen as well. If he doesn’t make it to the end, perhaps it will be because Dany, in a fit of rage over Jon “trying to take what is mine by right,” has him killed.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 13:50:53 GMT
Back in season two, when the warlocks stole the baby dragons and Daenerys had to venture into their palace to get them back, she was confronted by several visions and possibilities. One showed her what would’ve happened had she not enlisted the “help” of the witch who turned Drogo into a vegetable — an idyllic life with a vibrant baby boy and a living Khal Drogo, all of them together as a happy family. But another vision shows a much darker scene: Daenerys, alone, walks into the throne room of the Red Keep. It’s been destroyed. The roof has been torn open, and snow is accumulating on the floor. Or is that ash? Which harkens back to Tyrion’s warning to Daenerys not to destroy the city of she’ll end up as “queen of the ashes.” Now we’re at the point where an enraged Daenerys wants to lay waste to the Red Keep, regardless of the peasants Cersei is using as human shields. She’s not listening to her advisors and wants to see Cersei suffer. Then there’s Jon and the question of his claim to the throne, which will come to a head in this next episode as word gets out that he’s a Targaryen as well. If he doesn’t make it to the end, perhaps it will be because Dany, in a fit of rage over Jon “trying to take what is mine by right,” has him killed. Maybe dany does kill jon i can see some hints of it in this scene when she asked jon if he took the knife for his people youtu.be/rlesc2MYVoA?t=3m jon would die protecting sansa/his people , its no accident they have dany/sansa against each other from the begging , and its no accident dany repeatedly has threatened sansa to jon and i think it will come into play ,under that scenario i could see jon getting killed by dany , maybe it was no accident they had dany swing a sword this season ( against the WW fight) maybe she will stab jon , but then again even if dany kills jon she will not keep the throne for long someone else will kill her , perhaps her own dragon drogon? maybe some of you may think thats funny but in previous seasons ( 4 & 5 ) drogon has threaten or yelled at his mama , youtu.be/RHTw8BxU1fk?t=53smaybe drogon is tired of battles maybe he is tired getting used ,getting arrows thrown at him maybe he is sad seeing two of his brothers dying and maybe he will help jon get rid of her once and for all , one thing is certain no matter who lives or dies , in that vision of the un-dying she never touches or sits on the throne she wasted everything her baby , khal , love just for the throne and she wont have it .
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 10, 2019 14:21:44 GMT
but then again even if dany kills jon she will not keep the throne for long someone else will kill her , perhaps her own dragon drogon? maybe some of you may think thats funny but in previous seasons ( 4 & 5 ) drogon has threaten or yelled at his mama , I had thought of this, as this is basically how Moorcock's Strombringer ends, the (anti-)hero killed by his own supernatural weapon.  It would be a terrible empty ending, though. Daenerys needs to be killed by someone who rejects her as a ruler, not by her dragon.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 10, 2019 14:37:58 GMT
but then again even if dany kills jon she will not keep the throne for long someone else will kill her , perhaps her own dragon drogon? maybe some of you may think thats funny but in previous seasons ( 4 & 5 ) drogon has threaten or yelled at his mama , I had thought of this, as this is basically how Moorcock's Strombringer ends, the (anti-)hero killed by his own supernatural weapon. It would be a terrible empty ending, though. Daenerys needs to be killed by someone who rejects her as a ruler, not by her dragon. I hope that person who rejects her is jon because he has been missing in action since he went to dragonstone , only person who is left close to her that may have some influence over her it is him , tyrion and varys are fearful of her so they wont do it, however if she finds out others know about jon status she will turn against him for spilling the beans and maybe will try to burn him or sansa -
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 10, 2019 17:16:46 GMT
Her advisors are morons and one of them is flat out disloyal while the other loves his family too much.
The very first thing that should have happened was the destruction of the Red Keep and threats to the Great Houses.
It made no sense for her not to follow the path Aegon followed except her advisors were too Westerosi in the first place. They wanted things to be the same.
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Post by xystophoros on May 11, 2019 2:14:27 GMT
Her advisors are morons and one of them is flat out disloyal while the other loves his family too much. The very first thing that should have happened was the destruction of the Red Keep and threats to the Great Houses. It made no sense for her not to follow the path Aegon followed except her advisors were too Westerosi in the first place. They wanted things to be the same. Varys is disloyal because Daenerys is talking about destroying the city and killing thousands of civilians with dragonfire. Tyrion still thinks she can be convinced to take a more sane course of action. If she’s set on that path she better armor that fucking dragon or it’s all over. Emilia Clarke is on record saying E5 is heartbreaking. I know cast members hype things up all the time, but it’s very clear the issue of Jon’s parenthood is going to big a big problem, and it’s very clear Daenerys is so singleminded and sure of her own “destiny” that she will never accept another Targaryen. She supposedly loves Jon and it would make perfect sense for them both to rule, but she can’t even accept that.
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Post by xystophoros on May 11, 2019 2:17:23 GMT
one thing is certain no matter who lives or dies , in that vision of the un-dying she never touches or sits on the throne she wasted everything her baby , khal , love just for the throne and she wont have it . I noticed that as well when I rewatched that scene. She walks right up to the throne, puts her hand out — but doesn’t even touch it, much less sit in it.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on May 11, 2019 19:43:07 GMT
Her advisors are morons and one of them is flat out disloyal while the other loves his family too much. The very first thing that should have happened was the destruction of the Red Keep and threats to the Great Houses. It made no sense for her not to follow the path Aegon followed except her advisors were too Westerosi in the first place. They wanted things to be the same. Varys is disloyal because Daenerys is talking about destroying the city and killing thousands of civilians with dragonfire. Tyrion still thinks she can be convinced to take a more sane course of action. If she’s set on that path she better armor that fucking dragon or it’s all over. Emilia Clarke is on record saying E5 is heartbreaking. I know cast members hype things up all the time, but it’s very clear the issue of Jon’s parenthood is going to big a big problem, and it’s very clear Daenerys is so singleminded and sure of her own “destiny” that she will never accept another Targaryen. She supposedly loves Jon and it would make perfect sense for them both to rule, but she can’t even accept that. you are correct ,no she cant accept him and they have shown two women sansa and dany one accepting him ( sansa) and one rejecting him (dany) . Notice how last weeks episode dany went from begging to commanding jon regarding his true parentage reveal .Begging not to tell his family and then when jon said no she commanded him what to do , glad he didnt listen to her and told his family anyway .
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Post by Marendil on May 11, 2019 22:04:34 GMT
one thing is certain no matter who lives or dies , in that vision of the un-dying she never touches or sits on the throne she wasted everything her baby , khal , love just for the throne and she wont have it . I noticed that as well when I rewatched that scene. She walks right up to the throne, puts her hand out — but doesn’t even touch it, much less sit in it. What I found most interesting was how different that scene was from the books, there's basically very little resemblance. Prophecies can be used as a vehicle for foreshadowing, sometimes clumsily, sometimes cleverly, and I wondered if D&D decided to vary it to show what they thought was a more dramatic foretelling, or just to add additional ones as book readers had been discussing the original ones for years.
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