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Post by rizdek on May 14, 2019 9:42:24 GMT
It depends on how a movie is "bad" vs "boring."
For one specific way I use movies, boring is almost essential. I often use movies to relax and fall asleep. A calm movie with little going on, lulling music and soft dialogue is precisely what I want. Many might consider them boring because there's little action, not much excitement, few/no special effects, calm predictable story-line...boring. So generally, I'd prefer boring to bad, if by bad it also has lots of loud noises, flashes, violence, shouting, that is done poorly.
Some of the movies I watch over and over again are the Hallmark made for TV Christmas movies. Almost entirely predictable, soft music, monotonous dialogue.
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Post by Vits on May 14, 2019 9:46:52 GMT
Toasted Cheese I gave a pretty well reasoned post there and your response is this? Your stats ARE overdone, so don't drift and make your point more succinctly. It is too self-absorbed otherwise with all this logistical analysis that only you really care about.
I actually do like reading those stats. Even if I didn't, surely there's a middle ground between the ways both of you write, right?
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Post by charzhino on May 14, 2019 13:21:57 GMT
Boring movies are worse
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Post by mslo79 on May 16, 2019 6:28:56 GMT
Toasted Cheese It's just kind of the way I talk around here though as I don't think ill ever completely drop talking about stats and the like as it gives people perspective and lets them know I am not a person who hands out high ratings routinely etc. basically it makes the movies that I do score a bit more highly worth more that way vs those people who fairly commonly hand out 7-8/10+ scores as for those people you can't tell what movies truly stand out for them vs which ones don't etc. they don't really use the rating scale properly and in this sense I think I do pretty well as there just are not that many higher quality movies out there and my scores tend to reflect that (although I realize what's of quality and what's not will vary from person to person, but you get the gist of it ). either way, for those who don't care about my stats and the like can simply skip over them, or skim though my posts to get the gist of what I am saying. Anything specific that I don't listen to, putting my stats stuff aside? (personally I think you will find it difficult to come up with anything legitimate to dis me here) because for those who don't like my stats, can simply skip over reading them. so that's not that big of a deal. but surely, in terms of this topic of the 'is a boring movie worse than a bad movie'... you don't disagree with my basic comment on why boring is worse than bad, right? ; my reasoning sounds pretty sound if you ask me on why I think boring is worse than bad etc. even if you don't outright agree, it will be surely difficult to say what I say is outright wrong because I am sure, if you want to use a majority opinion as the right one around here, that plenty (I suspect most) would agree with me in saying that a boring movie is worse than bad movie.
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Post by mslo79 on May 16, 2019 7:09:57 GMT
rizdek I don't think your seeing the word boring how most would in that when something is truly boring, you have pretty much zero interest in continuing to watch it. sort of like watching paint dry etc, so you move onto something else. also, I don't think most people would watch a movie only to use it to fall asleep as your basically not even really watching it if your falling asleep while the movie is still playing. so I don't see much point in watching movies in a case like you describe even though if it helps you sleep in general I can understand why you do that, but at this point, your not really watching the movie for general entertainment like a typical person does when watching a movie. so if that's true, it sort of invalidates your opinion on the whole 'boring vs bad' thing (no offense (but you can see why I am saying this given my basic opinion on why the common person watches a movie)) because your venturing outside of the norm of why people watch movies in general. because I think had you watched movies for general entertainment/enjoyment purposes like a typical person does, chances are you would find boring worse than bad. so if your legitimately watching a movie, not to fall sleep and the like, I assume in a case like this, using what I described as 'truly boring' above, then naturally, you would prefer a 'bad movie' over a 'boring movie', correct? Ill say this... a movie is not automatically boring if a movie does not have non-stop action or super fancy special effects and the like. to me things don't work that way, and I can't see too many people viewing things that way either, especially if they are not too young. because I have seen some movies that are slower paced etc that are higher quality movies (i.e. enjoyable movies to watch) and some movies with a ton of action that are dull-to-boring range. so one can't just use that stereotype (like some seem to apply to that stereotypical teenager and thereabouts kinds of people) that if something does not have plenty of action and the like, that it must be boring. another thing... a movie having a 'predictable story' I don't think is too much of a valid argument against a movie in general as, like I have said before in the past around here, movies are not really about doing something original anymore, but about taking a idea that's already been done and doing it well enough and in this case, predictability of a movie will happen as it seems general stories of most movies are just rehashes of stuff in the past. but it's just some movies tend to do things in a much more interesting way then others, which probably comes back to camera work/locations, maybe some dialog, etc etc. Your actually watching those from start to finish? ; if so, I don't know how you can do it as once you get used to seeing quality movies you can't go back to random junk like that, especially not on a regular basis for damn sure (no offense). but assuming your using those strictly for putting you to sleep... it seems your more into some sort of habit that it makes it easier for you to sleep? ; because when I sleep I tend to use a fan which helps drown out background noise etc (and I like the breeze etc). maybe your movie situation is roughly your equivalent of me using a fan to sleep?
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Post by charzhino on May 16, 2019 8:06:49 GMT
Toasted Cheese It's just kind of the way I talk around here though as I don't think ill ever completely drop talking about stats and the like as it gives people perspective and lets them know I am not a person who hands out high ratings routinely etc. basically it makes the movies that I do score a bit more highly worth more that way vs those people who fairly commonly hand out 7-8/10+ scores as for those people you can't tell what movies truly stand out for them vs which ones don't etc. they don't really use the rating scale properly and in this sense I think I do pretty well as there just are not that many higher quality movies out there and my scores tend to reflect that (although I realize what's of quality and what's not will vary from person to person, but you get the gist of it ). I think you are the same as these people who you say are too frequent giving 8/9/10's regularly for movies, but you are the other side of the same coin by being very extreme and rarely ever giving something a 7.5 or above. I agree that people give 8/9/10's far too generously however at the same time those, like you, who give rarely give those scores not generous enough.
Everyone has their own affinity to grade a movie, but the truth often lies in the middle. Youl find most professional critics and movie goers are the average of the 2 extremes and they often reflect the true representative score based on a wide sample.
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Post by mslo79 on May 17, 2019 6:11:24 GMT
charzhino I would not say I am very extreme at all in restricting movies ratings (although there is a very small amount that have managed to hit a 10/10 etc for me at this point in time) as, like I have said before, I don't restrict ratings on movies just to restrict them, it's simply that the vast majority of movies don't stand out in a enjoyable way and I rate accordingly (i.e. only about 7-9% of everything I have seen if of any real worth even though there is as much as about 20% that's enjoyable enough for me to re-watch). so since about 7-9% of everything I have seen manages to get a 7/10 or higher (or at least a 6-6.5/10 or higher if we use the 9% figure) I would not say that's 'very extreme and rarely ever giving something a 7.5 or above' as I still tend to hand out some 7/10's in a given year like say in 2019 on forward. but maybe I am not all that much different from some people because I don't know exactly how many decent mainstream movies are released in a given year but not many of them are of any real worth if you ask me. or another way to look at things... how many movies would be roughly considered classics that's like by a portion of people to a higher degree? ; probably not too many (I would imagine it's less than 1,000, maybe even less than 500 etc(?)), which is probably not that much different from my personal 160 movies that managed to score a 7/10 or higher. hence, I am no where near the other end of the extreme (as in being too restrictive on movies I score a 7 or higher) even though I will acknowledge that there are more movies than 160 that I would imagine the public as a whole probably like to a higher degree(?), so in this regard I am probably a bit more on the restrictive side of things vs quite a few people, maybe even majority(?). but then again if you went up to a random person on the street how many would have more than a 160+ movies that they like to a higher degree? ; I suspect it depends on who you talk to as if they are more of the casual movie goer (who watches mostly some major mainstream movies and not too much outside of it), ill probably have more favorites than most of those types of people, but if you start factoring in those people who watch plenty of movies like those of us around these IMDb2 forums do, then I would guess there is a reasonable chance someone could have more total favorite movies than I do etc. with that said... I don't mind if someone hands out a fair amount more higher range scores than I do, as if they truly like a movie like their score suggests(as in a 10/10 is as enjoyable as a movie gets and a 9/10 is a bit below that and so on), then fine, that's okay. but say someone has seen roughly the volume of movies that I have or more, say something around 2,000 movies (I am currently at 2,250+), the vast majority of them should not be anything special otherwise they are likely too generous with their ratings or are too easily pleased etc. but I often wonder how someone could be too easily pleased as after you have seen plenty of movies you can start to really see which ones are gems vs just-another-movie sort of thing and I rate accordingly. like most movies I have seen are pretty much average (i.e. 5/10(since I use 5/10 as middle-of-the-road and then it scales up and down fairly evenly from there)). my next most common rating is a 6/10 which between those two ratings (i.e. 5/10 and 6/10) make up about 75% of everything I have seen with 61% of that 75% being a 5/10. my next most common rating after that... 4/10(below average) etc. NOTE: but I will say while IMDb tells me about 61% of everything I have rated is a 5/10, I am confident had I seen a fair amount of those movies again today a portion of them would decline in score (as for how much, I have no idea. but I am almost certain some would drop to a 4/10, possibly lower). but obviously, I am not going to waste my time re-watching a bunch of average AT BEST level movies. so things will pretty much stay as they have been rated in the past for my 5/10's and lower rated movies. but anyways, to get to my point... assuming my guesstimate of some movies dropping off did happen, that 61% could decline a fair amount, maybe back to a slight majority etc. but I have noticed that when people bring up occasional topics around here about their 1 through 10 rating scale with some quick words for what each rating means, it seems they are quite similar to mine (occasionally some variance, but pretty much the same (or at least nothing TOO much different)). but yet... it seems they tend to hand out the higher range scores a bit too routinely. plus, I suspect some people tend to hand out scores in the 6/10+ range that they won't re-watch which to me is the ultimate test of whether a movie is a Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down as in this regard I simply cannot score a movie above a 5/10 if it's nothing ill re-watch here and there as the years pass and movies I will re-watch from time-to-time as the years pass I cannot score lower than a 6/10. that makes the most sense for a very basic way to rate movies since I feel anyone who really gets into movies is going to re-watch a fair amount of movies they have seen as the years pass especially once they have seen plenty of movies it will start to become much more difficult to find movies that that viewer has not already seen that stand out from the pack. That's why I am not a fan of those extreme raters on both sides (critics or average people) as some people are a bit too quick to praise a movie only to pretty much forget about it not all that long after they praise it which speaks volumes about what those people truly think of a movie. so when I rate I tend to have that stuff in mind as it makes no sense in my mind to give a movie a fairly high score only to never re-watch it again etc. but I guess if you want to come up with some sort of rough way to judge movies based on wide opinion... I might say something like finding a balance of those movies that are popular and do solid $ (or at least decent $) but also are movies that people like to a higher degree to as some movies, like say Transformers for example, seem to do strong $ at the theaters but these are not movies I suspect that many would consider among their favorites in general. but I guess you can somewhat tell which movies people tend to praise more than most as the decades pass and they pretty much move into classic status etc. plus, I think some movies tend to have wider appeal among a wide range of age groups etc. so I guess even for a professional movie critic... while I know they got to write a decent review, with positives and negatives etc, I think those critics should rate things in relation to all movies they have seen (then they would be more honest in their praise or dislike of a movie) instead of based on genre etc like I suspect some do which will artificially inflate a movies score since it won't be a true opinion of that viewer rating movies by genre. plus, you see a fair amount of them on random TV commercials claiming 'masterpiece' on a average, to maybe slightly above average movies etc. because I think some people use the word 'masterpiece' way too easily as you see that word in random commercials for movies a bit too commonly. just some random thoughts and thanks for your reply
Like I figured... I asked you to give a specific example of what I don't listen to reason on and, since you can't do it, you default to the insults towards me. this is standard behavior of many who are on the losing side of the argument.
so until you can come up with something specific, it's best to keep quiet as it just makes you look like the bad guy since your the one insulting others and not me. like I said before, if you don't like my stats stuff you can simply skip over it.
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Post by Eyeball on May 17, 2019 12:19:05 GMT
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Post by gljbradley on May 18, 2019 20:10:28 GMT
To a certain extent, I agree.
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