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Post by hehatesshe on May 13, 2019 16:46:34 GMT
Not a single person in Highgarden’s army was killed after the battle except for 2 people who openly and emphatically stated they would rather die than ally with her. Of course she was going to kill them since she has no reason to keep them hostage. Keeping hostages is what any medieval warlord ever did and you are the piece of shit who excuses plain murder. Welcome to the scum bucket, garbage. Using human shields is something only the worst of the worst on our planet have even considered, but a disingenuous piece of shit like you wouldn't know anything about that. Lizards bitch 1 Pussy cat 0
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 13, 2019 17:11:12 GMT
Not a single person in Highgarden’s army was killed after the battle except for 2 people who openly and emphatically stated they would rather die than ally with her. Of course she was going to kill them since she has no reason to keep them hostage. Keeping hostages is what any medieval warlord ever did and you are the piece of shit who excuses plain murder. Welcome to the scum bucket, garbage. Dude, we get that you're contrarian, and a lover of the bad guys on this show... but if you could cut it with calling people names... that would be great. WTF is your problem?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 13, 2019 17:12:17 GMT
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Post by hehatesshe on May 13, 2019 17:16:54 GMT
I guarentee she doesn't have that problem again.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 13, 2019 17:38:10 GMT
Not a single person in Highgarden’s army was killed after the battle except for 2 people who openly and emphatically stated they would rather die than ally with her. Of course she was going to kill them since she has no reason to keep them hostage. Keeping hostages is what any medieval warlord ever did and you are the piece of shit who excuses plain murder. Welcome to the scum bucket, garbage. Not true.
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Post by pk9 on May 13, 2019 17:40:49 GMT
She is supposed to be the Queen of the people, the common man and woman, the peasants. But after the bell ring surrender, she torches all of Kings' Landing, burning and killing men, women and children. Why do you think? After the episode D&D said she decided to make it 'personal' as she looked at the Red Keep her ancestors had built.
I also gathered from her conversation with Jon she decided she needed to inspire fear because she couldn't get them to love her like they did Jon.
I think they messed up here. A fairly simple rewrite would have solved a lot of issues. We needed a better, more reasonable trigger for Dany to snap at that moment. What better trigger than having her lose someone that she loves? Not last episode or two episodes ago, right then, when it looks like they had won. The best candidates here are Rhaegal or Jorah. They just needed to keep either one of them alive for that moment. Heck, they could even have brought Daario with her back in season 6 just to save him for this moment: She's won, the city is hers, but right then someone who doesn't obey the surrender kills her loved one. She snaps, kills everyone in a rage. This would explain her intentional killing of civilians as well. As for inspiring fear, I'm pretty sure torching 1000 ships, wiping out the entire Golden Company, and taking down the city wall in 15 minutes was sufficient to inspire fear.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 13, 2019 17:56:55 GMT
After the episode D&D said she decided to make it 'personal' as she looked at the Red Keep her ancestors had built.
I also gathered from her conversation with Jon she decided she needed to inspire fear because she couldn't get them to love her like they did Jon.
I think they messed up here. A fairly simple rewrite would have solved a lot of issues. We needed a better, more reasonable trigger for Dany to snap at that moment. What better trigger than having her lose someone that she loves? Not last episode or two episodes ago, right then, when it looks like they had won. The best candidates here are Rhaegal or Jorah. They just needed to keep either one of them alive for that moment. Heck, they could even have brought Daario with her back in season 6 just to save him for this moment: She's won, the city is hers, but right then someone who doesn't obey the surrender kills her loved one. She snaps, kills everyone in a rage. This would explain her intentional killing of civilians as well. As for inspiring fear, I'm pretty sure torching 1000 ships and wiping out the city wall in 15 minutes was sufficient to inspire fear. [They foreshadowed it in her speech to Tyrion. She stated she was saving future generation. It was my first clue they were going to screw up her character. I still didn’t realize they were going to have her blatantly murder people.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 13, 2019 18:30:59 GMT
[They foreshadowed it in her speech to Tyrion. She stated she was saving future generation. It was my first clue they were going to screw up her character. I still didn’t realize they were going to have her blatantly murder people. They were not screwing things up. It is the "progressive" wish, the relentless desire to destroy all that ever was to replace is with its own fantasy of the better new. Tabula rasa. Daenerys is the waving flag of the radical left.
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Post by jackspicer on May 13, 2019 19:30:23 GMT
She is supposed to be the Queen of the people, the common man and woman, the peasants. But after the bell rings surrender, she torches all of Kings' Landing, burning and killing men, women and children. Why do you think? I know you are asking for an 'in-universe' answer, but there is no in-universe answer that is satisfactory. The real world answer is lazy, horrible writing. I am also sick of some people on the internet saying that her kill spree was foreshadowed, and we should all have expected it. When was roasting children foreshadowed? She chained up her dragons because one of them might have roasted a child. Far from being foreshadowed, deliberately roasting children blatantly violates her pre-established character traits. I'll stop ranting now. I shall henceforth consider the show past Season 4 to be non-canon.
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Post by deviates on May 13, 2019 22:06:47 GMT
She is supposed to be the Queen of the people, the common man and woman, the peasants. But after the bell rings surrender, she torches all of Kings' Landing, burning and killing men, women and children. Why do you think? I am also sick of some people on the internet saying that her kill spree was foreshadowed, and we should all have expected it. When was roasting children foreshadowed? It makes me laugh that some people seem to think foreshadowing is a good substitute for character development. People pointing back to a single line said in season 2, as if somehow that's good writing.
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Post by movieliker on May 14, 2019 1:12:31 GMT
For those who don't know, Sansa (Sophie Turner) is starring in Dark Phoenix (X-Men character). Release date 6/7/19.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 14, 2019 1:41:43 GMT
She is supposed to be the Queen of the people, the common man and woman, the peasants. But after the bell rings surrender, she torches all of Kings' Landing, burning and killing men, women and children. Why do you think?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 14, 2019 5:07:12 GMT
I'll stop ranting now. I shall henceforth consider the show past Season 4 to be non-canon. Oh, another canon-talking idiot who'll be proven wrong whenever the books come out or will make a fool of himself for life if they don't.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 14, 2019 5:14:50 GMT
I am also sick of some people on the internet saying that her kill spree was foreshadowed, and we should all have expected it. When was roasting children foreshadowed? It makes me laugh that some people seem to think foreshadowing is a good substitute for character development. People pointing back to a single line said in season 2, as if somehow that's good writing. There's a good point and it boils down to my opinion that GRRM's a hack. His trick is to hint at all possible things and leave nerds figure out what makes sense. He is a sphinx posing riddles and eating up his readers with Big Shocking Twists ®. That's why he fills his books with tales of prophecies that never come true, with visions that do but are misinterpreted and mostly with foreshadowing that sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. So it can be said that Daenerys announcing she would "burn cities to the ground" (note: cities have children in them) when her dragons are grown and threatening Qarth to be first in S2 was either foreshadowing or just desperate boasting. We can't tell for sure.
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Post by northernlad on May 14, 2019 5:37:21 GMT
After the episode D&D said she decided to make it 'personal' as she looked at the Red Keep her ancestors had built.
I also gathered from her conversation with Jon she decided she needed to inspire fear because she couldn't get them to love her like they did Jon.
I think they messed up here. A fairly simple rewrite would have solved a lot of issues. We needed a better, more reasonable trigger for Dany to snap at that moment. What better trigger than having her lose someone that she loves? Not last episode or two episodes ago, right then, when it looks like they had won. The best candidates here are Rhaegal or Jorah. They just needed to keep either one of them alive for that moment. Heck, they could even have brought Daario with her back in season 6 just to save him for this moment: She's won, the city is hers, but right then someone who doesn't obey the surrender kills her loved one. She snaps, kills everyone in a rage. This would explain her intentional killing of civilians as well. As for inspiring fear, I'm pretty sure torching 1000 ships, wiping out the entire Golden Company, and taking down the city wall in 15 minutes was sufficient to inspire fear. That's a great idea. Wish you were writing for the show. It would have made much more sense.
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Post by jackspicer on May 14, 2019 6:07:17 GMT
I'll stop ranting now. I shall henceforth consider the show past Season 4 to be non-canon. Oh, another canon-talking idiot who'll be proven wrong whenever the books come out or will make a fool of himself for life if they don't. I'm not so worried about that on an anonymous message board, but OK champ. Have a bunny.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 14, 2019 7:33:49 GMT
Oh, another canon-talking idiot who'll be proven wrong whenever the books come out or will make a fool of himself for life if they don't. I'm not so worried about that on an anonymous message board, but OK champ. Just be careful never to open your mouth in public. It would instantly show.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on May 14, 2019 7:39:20 GMT
As people keep digging, they also keep finding. In S5E09, Hizdahr and Daenerys are sitting at the games and she tells us exactly how she feels about the whole genocide thing: Daenerys: One day your great city will return to the dirt as well. Hizdahr: At your command? Daenerys: If need be. Hizdahr: And how many people will die to make this happen? Daenerys: If it comes to that, they will have died for a good reason.
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Post by Winter_King on May 14, 2019 8:40:54 GMT
She is supposed to be the Queen of the people, the common man and woman, the peasants. But after the bell rings surrender, she torches all of Kings' Landing, burning and killing men, women and children. Why do you think? I know you are asking for an 'in-universe' answer, but there is no in-universe answer that is satisfactory. The real world answer is lazy, horrible writing. I am also sick of some people on the internet saying that her kill spree was foreshadowed, and we should all have expected it. When was roasting children foreshadowed?She chained up her dragons because one of them might have roasted a child. Far from being foreshadowed, deliberately roasting children blatantly violates her pre-established character traits. I remember people talking about Mad Queen Dany since season 4 and how she was going to be the final human villain of the books/show. Book readers also were aware of this possibility. It was foreshadowed several times. Now I do think that due to the shorter seasons, Dany's villainous breakdown felt rushed. It became pretty clear that D&D had no idea what they were talking about when they said that 13 episodes were enough to close the seasons. It became pretty clear that they needed at least two full seasons to do it right. Unfortunately I believe that the show is probably the only conclusion to the Song of Ice and Fire that we will receive.
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Post by Winter_King on May 14, 2019 10:58:04 GMT
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