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Post by sostie on May 18, 2019 15:31:42 GMT
saying that a series is crap because the pilot didn't hook you is moronic, when has any long running show ever peaked with the pilot
No one ever said a TV show has to peak with the pilot episode. But the pilot episode has to be at least good enough to get people to stay and watch more. AoS had a crappy pilot episode that wasn't good enough to keep viewers interested. And it seems it was good enough...AoS is and did get viewing figures Supergirl, Arrow, The Flash etc can only dream of
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Post by dazz on May 18, 2019 15:33:07 GMT
saying that a series is crap because the pilot didn't hook you is moronic, when has any long running show ever peaked with the pilot
No one ever said a TV show has to peak with the pilot episode. But the pilot episode has to be at least good enough to get people to stay and watch more. AoS had a crappy pilot episode that wasn't good enough to keep viewers interested. Yet it did, and you are judging an entire 5+ season show by the quality of it's very first episode, you don't simply say from what I saw it was crap but then I only watched the first episode, no you say it's a crappy show and try to pretend that you are making a valid critique of it you flatulent gimboid.
Did the show lose viewers from the pilot? yes it did as did Supergirl 25%, The Flash 20+% & Arrow 12.5% from their premier to season averages, AOS also lost viewers about 30% from their season premier to their season average still hardly an insane fall when Supergirl lost close to as many viewers, I mean Flash lost 20% and it's first season was considered a tremendous success, so 30% from a show hamstrung for most of it's season that's still pretty good.
But you just keep babbling like the brain dead baboon that you are.
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Post by sostie on May 18, 2019 15:52:06 GMT
No one ever said a TV show has to peak with the pilot episode. But the pilot episode has to be at least good enough to get people to stay and watch more. AoS had a crappy pilot episode that wasn't good enough to keep viewers interested. Did the show lose viewers from the pilot? yes it did as did Supergirl 25%, The Flash 20+% & Arrow 12.5% from their premier to season averages, AOS also lost viewers about 30% from their season premier to their season average still hardly an insane fall when Supergirl lost close to as many viewers, I mean Flash lost 20% and it's first season was considered a tremendous success, so 30% from a show hamstrung for most of it's season that's still pretty good.
It seems most comic book TV shows drop each season. It is when you look at the actual figures you can really see how much of a success AoS has been AoS had an average viership per episode in Season 1 of 8.31million. That dropped to 7.09 m in season 2 Supergirl Season one had an impressive 9.81m average on Season 1. That dropped a massive amount to 3.12m in season 2 Arrow 1st season and highest season avearge was 3.68m. AoS never dropped that low until season 5 The Flash 1st season and highest season avearge was 4.62m. AoS never dropped that low until season 4 Legends Of Tomorrow 1st season and highest season avearge was 3.16m. AoS has yet to drop that low Black Lightning premier(and highest) episode had 2.31m viewers. AoS is yet to have an episode below 3m
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on May 18, 2019 18:40:39 GMT
Did the show lose viewers from the pilot? yes it did as did Supergirl 25%, The Flash 20+% & Arrow 12.5% from their premier to season averages, AOS also lost viewers about 30% from their season premier to their season average still hardly an insane fall when Supergirl lost close to as many viewers, I mean Flash lost 20% and it's first season was considered a tremendous success, so 30% from a show hamstrung for most of it's season that's still pretty good.
It seems most comic book TV shows drop each season. It is when you look at the actual figures you can really see how much of a success AoS has been AoS had an average viership per episode in Season 1 of 8.31million. That dropped to 7.09 m in season 2 Supergirl Season one had an impressive 9.81m average on Season 1. That dropped a massive amount to 3.12m in season 2 Arrow 1st season and highest season avearge was 3.68m. AoS never dropped that low until season 5 The Flash 1st season and highest season avearge was 4.62m. AoS never dropped that low until season 4 Legends Of Tomorrow 1st season and highest season avearge was 3.16m. AoS has yet to drop that low Black Lightning premier(and highest) episode had 2.31m viewers. AoS is yet to have an episode below 3m I wouldn’t really count Supergirl considering it moved from CBS to The CW in season 2.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on May 18, 2019 18:47:12 GMT
I watched about 4 seasons of AoS and did think it was pretty awful. Compared to something like Daredevil, it's not even worth anyone's time. I much preferred Iron Fist even. Maybe not compared to Daredevil if we’re talking strictly superhero shows. I don’t even think it’s as good as Jessica Jones or Legion. I can’t say I enjoy Luke Cage or Iron Fist more than I do AoS though. But AoS and the Netflix shows are pretty much different genres. SHIELD should be regarded more as a cult sci-fi type show than a superhero show. Like Buffy, Firefly, Fringe, or Supernatural.
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Post by Skaathar on May 18, 2019 20:49:16 GMT
I watched about 4 seasons of AoS and did think it was pretty awful. Compared to something like Daredevil, it's not even worth anyone's time. I much preferred Iron Fist even. To each his own. I put AoS above all of the Marvel netflix shows.
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Post by damngumby on May 18, 2019 22:18:10 GMT
Yes, which means you can't tell whether the series itself is crappy because you haven't watched it. I watched the pilot episode and it was crappy. TV is a different medium than movies. A movie can start slowly but viewers will usually still stay to the end (unless it's really crappy) because they've already paid their money and it's only about 2 hours. A TV show can't start slowly because viewers will stop watching if it starts off crappy. So a TV show needs to start off strong. And even when deciding whether or not to pick up a TV show, network executives don't watch an entire season. They just watch the pilot episode and make their decision based on the pilot episode. So the pilot episode is what TV shows are judged by. And I watched the pilot episode of AoS and it was crappy. Apparently, someone never watched Star Trek: The Next Generation. Widely considered the best of all the ST series, it's pilot episode was awful, hell, the entire first season was awful, in fact. Just when you thought that DC-Fan's credibility couldn't drop any lower, he somehow manages to crater it even further. First, by letting it slip that he was judging an entire series on just the first episode ... and then by trying to claim that watching the first episode is all it takes to pass judgement on any TV series. Dumb & dumber.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 18, 2019 22:23:14 GMT
I watched the pilot episode and it was crappy. TV is a different medium than movies. A movie can start slowly but viewers will usually still stay to the end (unless it's really crappy) because they've already paid their money and it's only about 2 hours. A TV show can't start slowly because viewers will stop watching if it starts off crappy. So a TV show needs to start off strong. And even when deciding whether or not to pick up a TV show, network executives don't watch an entire season. They just watch the pilot episode and make their decision based on the pilot episode. So the pilot episode is what TV shows are judged by. And I watched the pilot episode of AoS and it was crappy. Apparently, someone never watched Star Trek: The Next Generation. Widely considered the best of all the ST series, it's pilot episode was awful, hell, the entire first season was awful, in fact. No, STTNG pilot and Season 1 wasn't great but it certainly wasn't awful. AoS pilot was just awful and a crappy piece of shit.
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Post by havenless on May 18, 2019 23:08:22 GMT
Ok but why are the AoS never mentioned in the MCU? They don’t get high enough ratings
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Post by Power Ranger on May 18, 2019 23:13:19 GMT
Apparently, someone never watched Star Trek: The Next Generation. Widely considered the best of all the ST series, it's pilot episode was awful, hell, the entire first season was awful, in fact. No, STTNG pilot and Season 1 wasn't great but it certainly wasn't awful. AoS pilot was just awful and a crappy piece of shit. You still haven’t rated Endgame yet. What do you give it out of ten?
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Post by damngumby on May 19, 2019 2:16:05 GMT
Apparently, someone never watched Star Trek: The Next Generation. Widely considered the best of all the ST series, it's pilot episode was awful, hell, the entire first season was awful, in fact. No, STTNG pilot and Season 1 wasn't great but it certainly wasn't awful. DC-Fan's credibility takes another hit! How is it possible to sink any lower?! ST:TNG worst season evah!
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Post by politicidal on May 19, 2019 12:42:01 GMT
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Post by DC-Fan on May 19, 2019 15:51:57 GMT
So what? They brought Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Bucky, and Falcon back from the dead. How many times have they brought Loki back from the dead? So why didn't they bring Coulson back from the dead for Endgame?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 16:09:24 GMT
So what? They brought Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Bucky, and Falcon back from the dead. How many times have they brought Loki back from the dead? So why didn't they bring Coulson back from the dead for Endgame? Would that have improved the movie for you?
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Post by damngumby on May 19, 2019 16:37:17 GMT
So what? They brought Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Bucky, and Falcon back from the dead. How many times have they brought Loki back from the dead? So why didn't they bring Coulson back from the dead for Endgame? DC-Fan fiction: Bring agent Coulson back from the dead to attend Tony Stark's funeral. Grade: F (not even troll worthy)
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Post by DC-Fan on May 19, 2019 16:38:59 GMT
No, STTNG pilot and Season 1 wasn't great but it certainly wasn't awful. AoS pilot was just awful and a crappy piece of shit. You still haven’t rated Endgame yet. What do you give it out of ten? I thought it was 4 out of 10 originally. But after reflecting on the inconsistencies of the time travel of in the movie, the lazy and contrived writing and numerous plotholes in the movie, and the fact that Steve Rogers just let millions of people die while he was busy banging Peggy Carter, I have to lower the rating to 1 out of 10.
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Post by damngumby on May 19, 2019 17:26:33 GMT
You still haven’t rated Endgame yet. What do you give it out of ten? I thought it was 4 out of 10 originally. But after reflecting on the inconsistencies of the time travel of in the movie, the lazy and contrived writing and numerous plotholes in the movie, and the fact that Steve Rogers just let millions of people die while he was busy banging Peggy Carter, I have to lower the rating to 1 out of 10.
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Post by dazz on May 20, 2019 5:50:52 GMT
So what? They brought Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Bucky, and Falcon back from the dead. How many times have they brought Loki back from the dead? So why didn't they bring Coulson back from the dead for Endgame? Technically never, Loki had never died prior to IW he was just presumed dead by Thor, even then in both films where he tricked Thor we the audience were shown him being alive I believe, alos all those characters didn't "die" they were erased, removed or dusted from existence, Coulson died, Gamora died, Widow died, Vision died, all 4 of them were not resurrected, Banner tried bringing back Widow but he couldn't, also they think Coulson died in 2012 not 2018, why are they randomly going to bring back a guy only Tony & Clint really know from 11 years ago?
You damn idiot.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 20, 2019 23:14:05 GMT
The last season of Agents of SHIELD ended with Coulson deciding against his life being prolonged by any special treatment and he spent his remaining days at a beach house somewhere far from SHIELD, that occurred during the events of Infinity War, Endgame time jumps to five years into the future. There, there is no way Coulson could've ever attended Stark's funeral.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 20, 2019 23:15:51 GMT
you haven't been watching AoS have you AoS is a crappy show that few people watch. The number of people who watch Agents of SHIELD is actually more than the amount of people who watch any of the Arrowverse shows on The CW, and clearly a lot of people do like it which is why its gone on for so long.
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