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Post by brokenbow on Apr 8, 2017 18:46:40 GMT
I liked both of his performances as Clark/Kal but I gotta admit after watching Man From U.N.C.L.E the guy deserves better dialogue as Supes or Clark!
Just my opinion, now what do you think?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 8, 2017 20:38:01 GMT
If you mean he should have more lines, then probably.
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Post by brownstones on Apr 8, 2017 22:20:42 GMT
well..........he's dialogue isn't bad, it's the lack of it which is the issue.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 9, 2017 0:01:08 GMT
I thank Christ for that coming out before Batman versus Superman.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 9, 2017 0:31:57 GMT
Well I think he needs to be given room to breath more and act like a normal person. Right now they're making him act like a wooden statue with a perpetual frown/confused look on his face. Shame because he can be pretty charismatic. He needs to be given room to smile and look like he's enjoying himself.
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Post by brokenbow on Apr 9, 2017 9:12:50 GMT
Well I think he needs to be given room to breath more and act like a normal person. Right now they're making him act like a wooden statue with a perpetual frown/confused look on his face. Shame because he can be pretty charismatic. He needs to be given room to smile and look like he's enjoying himself. I agree. I'm just glad SOMEBODY thinks he can act that person aside from us and myself is Tom Cruise he was cast in Mission: Impossible 6 a few weeks ago and production has begun, stoked! I am hoping since they are going to resurrect Superman in JL that we'll see some better lines, dialogue, or whatever.
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Post by brokenbow on Apr 9, 2017 9:13:36 GMT
If you mean he should have more lines, then probably. Yup I meant lines.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 9, 2017 18:03:43 GMT
Cavill can act and be likable as a lead, just watch Man from U.N.C.L.E.
Write him more as a hero who enjoys what he does instead of someone who doesn't and you're set.
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Post by Nightman on Apr 9, 2017 19:11:40 GMT
This just goes back to Clark being kept miserable all the time. He doesn't seem to enjoy saving people; he appears to go through the motions because he has to. This reflects poorly on Henry's performance, even though he's not the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 21:35:52 GMT
Never gonna happen, because the DCEU is a cesspool of bad wring.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 9, 2017 23:04:09 GMT
Cavill can act and be likable as a lead, just watch Man from U.N.C.L.E. Write him more as a hero who enjoys what he does instead of someone who doesn't and you're set. And don't cut it out this time like Snyder did in BVS.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 11, 2017 4:54:02 GMT
I don't think he needs a Sorkin-esque treatment to be great, but he could use some more lines. Even if nothing changes, just let the man smile more. I want him to seem happy when he's helping people. His smile to Lois just before sacrificing himself in BvS gave us a glimpse of a cheerful and decent man who truly wanted to save the people he loved. That's the Superman I remember as a kid.
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Post by brownstones on Apr 11, 2017 19:17:52 GMT
Cavill can act and be likable as a lead, just watch Man from U.N.C.L.E. Write him more as a hero who enjoys what he does instead of someone who doesn't and you're set. And don't cut it out this time like Snyder did in BVS. that reminds me, watch the director's cut yet?
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Post by politicidal on Apr 11, 2017 19:25:33 GMT
And don't cut it out this time like Snyder did in BVS. that reminds me, watch the director's cut yet? Yeah I had a day off to kill.
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Post by brownstones on Apr 11, 2017 19:29:10 GMT
that reminds me, watch the director's cut yet? Yeah I had a day off to kill. Improvement, same, or worse?
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Post by politicidal on Apr 11, 2017 19:53:00 GMT
Yeah I had a day off to kill. Improvement, same, or worse? More of the same. Liked the action and Batfleck, hated Lex Zuckerberg, and felt emotionally extinguished afterwards. It's a trick to make more money than adding to the story. I hope they don't pull the same thing with WW or JL.
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Post by brownstones on Apr 11, 2017 23:06:58 GMT
Improvement, same, or worse? More of the same. Liked the action and Batfleck, hated Lex Zuckerberg, and felt emotionally extinguished afterwards. It's a trick to make more money than adding to the story. I hope they don't pull the same thing with WW or JL. well Lex remains the same, all you really get is more of his plan, as well as more clark and lois, but yeah the improvement depends where your issues lied. in regards to WW and JL.......I think it depends if either the films run too long or if people are unhappy. BvS got a director's cut because it ran too long and Snyder probably made a deal, SS got an extened cut because WB saw an opportunity when everyone complained and read the list of deleted scenes and the behind the scenes drama.
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 11, 2017 23:25:14 GMT
This may come off as snide, for which I apologize, but... They need to make him Superman, first of all. I'm sure he can be a good Superman. There were some scenes in Man of Steel, as much as I disliked the movie, that suggested this possibility. But here's the deal: as I wrote on another thread, Supes is primarily a big blue boy scout. He is a good guy, not an antihero. He believes in truth and justice and the American way, not as abstract concepts but as concrete realities. He is a source for joy and inspiration, someone to look up to. He will save the world, and he will save a cat from a tree (as, amusingly, he does in the original Superman, still in my opinion the best superhero movie of them all). That's what Mr. Snyder is missing--the element of likability, of fun, even of joy. He's missing what people love so much about this character: that he represents the best parts of ourselves. As PreachCaleb wrote on this board about Christopher Reeve, "It wasn't that Reeve looked like Superman: it's that he embodied the character. There was a warmth to his Superman missing from every other portrayal on screen since. He looked like a hero. Reeve perfectly captures the hope that Superman is supposed to represent." That, I believe, is what Mr. Cavill is trying to do, at least from his few scenes in MoS that I liked, and what his director is forbidding him from doing. Superman is not a conflicted, morally ambiguous character, as is Batman or even, in many of Stan Lee's stories, Spider-Man; he is a hero, with everything that that word implies. Whatever you think of Superman Returns (and I think it was one of the most underrated comic book pictures of recent years--I honestly believe it's a grand movie, what a summer popcorn flick should aim for), Brandon Routh, also with little dialogue, was able to embody this aspect of Superman. (It helps that he too is from the Midwest!) George Reeves, Dean Cain, and especially Christopher Reeve were as well. Henry Cavill, no doubt inspired by his director, is as yet unable to do so, unfortunately.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 12, 2017 0:31:04 GMT
^^^ Have to agree with that. Cavill can make a great Superman, but they first need to make him Superman instead of a cross between Batman and Edward Cullen. No one can pull off what they're trying to make Superman be.
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Post by brokenbow on Apr 12, 2017 12:46:01 GMT
I think the ONLY hope for Superman is another solo adventure with a director that fully understands Superman. Now I liked MoS but after seeing Batman V Superman I felt that they stopped developing what little they did in MoS.
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