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Post by thisguy4000 on May 21, 2019 1:51:06 GMT
I’m not necessarily saying this because the movie will look like trash (although I can’t say I want to see it, for reasons I’ve stated ad nauseam before), but because the movie will probably come across as having some kind of “girl power” message. If experience has taught me anything, it’s that people on YouTube don’t take kindly to girl power messages. I’m not saying that the Ghostbusters remake didn’t look lame, or that the trailer for Batwoman didn’t have some dumb and on the nose lines, but there’s no denying that a good chunk of those dislikes have been from people who are angry about feminism or whatever. Just look at the comments section for the Batwoman trailer, and you’ll see a bunch of people saying things like “I didn’t know James Charles is playing a superhero” and “why does every female character have to be a dyke” or some variation of that.
Hell, even Marvel hasn’t been able to completely avoid accusations of feminist pandering, as we saw from the Captain Marvel situation.
All I’m saying is, we should probably be expecting quite a number of complaints on YouTube regarding the movie, especially if the marketing calls attention to the fact that it’s a film that stars “badass” female characters.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 21, 2019 2:36:15 GMT
Yep. We'll see the usual "ITS FEMINAZI PROPAGANDA!!!!111"
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 21, 2019 4:32:09 GMT
If the trailer is in your face with an agenda then I can see it being trashed left to right, if its portrayed as just a fun comic book movie then I do not see it happening beyond one or two trolls.
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Post by Skaathar on May 21, 2019 5:13:15 GMT
Depends on how subtly or in your face they make it. People reacted positively to the Wonder Woman trailer but not to Captain Marvel's. Majority of people are fine with the dominantly strong female presence in AoS and Jessica Jones but quite a number complain about Supergirl.
My theory: people are perfectly fine with a show/movie that focuses on good story that just so happens to have some female empowerment. What I think they complain about is when a show/movie seems to focus primarily on the female empowerment and pushes story as a secondary priority.
As for Birds of Prey, I doubt they'd get that many dislikes simply for showcasing badass female characters. It would probably boil down to whether audiences feel like the trailer is pushing an agenda or not.
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Post by politicidal on May 21, 2019 16:05:07 GMT
Depends on how subtly or in your face they make it. People reacted positively to the Wonder Woman trailer but not to Captain Marvel's. Majority of people are fine with the dominantly strong female presence in AoS and Jessica Jones but quite a number complain about Supergirl. My theory: people are perfectly fine with a show/movie that focuses on good story that just so happens to have some female empowerment. What I think they complain about is when a show/movie seems to focus primarily on the female empowerment and pushes story as a secondary priority. As for Birds of Prey, I doubt they'd get that many dislikes simply for showcasing badass female characters. It would probably boil down to whether audiences feel like the trailer is pushing an agenda or not. I suppose that's fair. Then again, I think it's also more b/c of bad marketing than any real agenda. Captain Marvel turned out to have no more of a 'girl power' message than we'll just say, Peppermint and people still complaining about the former to this day.
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Post by Skaathar on May 21, 2019 16:58:06 GMT
Depends on how subtly or in your face they make it. People reacted positively to the Wonder Woman trailer but not to Captain Marvel's. Majority of people are fine with the dominantly strong female presence in AoS and Jessica Jones but quite a number complain about Supergirl. My theory: people are perfectly fine with a show/movie that focuses on good story that just so happens to have some female empowerment. What I think they complain about is when a show/movie seems to focus primarily on the female empowerment and pushes story as a secondary priority. As for Birds of Prey, I doubt they'd get that many dislikes simply for showcasing badass female characters. It would probably boil down to whether audiences feel like the trailer is pushing an agenda or not. I suppose that's fair. Then again, I think it's also more b/c of bad marketing than any real agenda. Captain Marvel turned out to have no more of a 'girl power' message than we'll just say, Peppermint and people still complaining about the former to this day. I agree with Captain Marvel. The trailer itself was way more "agenda-heavy" than the actual movie. I know of a few friends who literally hated the trailer but then were fine with the movie itself. I think the people who made that trailer did a pretty bad job. For those who want more feminism in their movies, that trailer set up their expectations in a way that the movie didn't deliver. For those who don't want it, the trailer ended up turning them off to the movie even though the movie didn't have it (not to the same extent anyway). Haven't watched Peppermint so can't comment there. I think the main point I wanted to make was that most people (outside a few trolls) don't have a problem with a movie showcasing badass females. That's why you don't hear too many complaints about shows like the Underworld and Resident Evil movies, Wonder Woman, Alita, Sucker Punch, Jessica Jones, Salt, Atomic Blonde, Tomb Raider, Blind Spot, etc. It's when the show (or the trailer) emphasizes heavily on the girl-power and feminism aspect of the show - or when they keep emphasizing that the lead is a woman - where audiences start complaining.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 23, 2019 3:17:30 GMT
I suppose that's fair. Then again, I think it's also more b/c of bad marketing than any real agenda. Captain Marvel turned out to have no more of a 'girl power' message than we'll just say, Peppermint and people still complaining about the former to this day. I agree with Captain Marvel. The trailer itself was way more "agenda-heavy" than the actual movie. I know of a few friends who literally hated the trailer but then were fine with the movie itself. I think the people who made that trailer did a pretty bad job. For those who want more feminism in their movies, that trailer set up their expectations in a way that the movie didn't deliver. For those who don't want it, the trailer ended up turning them off to the movie even though the movie didn't have it (not to the same extent anyway). Haven't watched Peppermint so can't comment there. I think the main point I wanted to make was that most people (outside a few trolls) don't have a problem with a movie showcasing badass females. That's why you don't hear too many complaints about shows like the Underworld and Resident Evil movies, Wonder Woman, Alita, Sucker Punch, Jessica Jones, Salt, Atomic Blonde, Tomb Raider, Blind Spot, etc. It's when the show (or the trailer) emphasizes heavily on the girl-power and feminism aspect of the show - or when they keep emphasizing that the lead is a woman - where audiences start complaining. While part of the flack that the Batwoman trailer received was definitely because of the “when it fits a woman” and “I’m not letting a man take credit for a woman’s work” lines (which I definitely think were lame, but that’s the CW for you), judging by many of the comments for that trailer, I’m fairly certain that many of these people would’ve complained regardless, especially given that Ruby Rose isn’t exactly a very feminine looking woman, and many people who aren’t familiar with the comics might assume that the CW just made up Batwoman as part of some misandrist agenda.
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Post by Skaathar on May 23, 2019 3:38:53 GMT
I agree with Captain Marvel. The trailer itself was way more "agenda-heavy" than the actual movie. I know of a few friends who literally hated the trailer but then were fine with the movie itself. I think the people who made that trailer did a pretty bad job. For those who want more feminism in their movies, that trailer set up their expectations in a way that the movie didn't deliver. For those who don't want it, the trailer ended up turning them off to the movie even though the movie didn't have it (not to the same extent anyway). Haven't watched Peppermint so can't comment there. I think the main point I wanted to make was that most people (outside a few trolls) don't have a problem with a movie showcasing badass females. That's why you don't hear too many complaints about shows like the Underworld and Resident Evil movies, Wonder Woman, Alita, Sucker Punch, Jessica Jones, Salt, Atomic Blonde, Tomb Raider, Blind Spot, etc. It's when the show (or the trailer) emphasizes heavily on the girl-power and feminism aspect of the show - or when they keep emphasizing that the lead is a woman - where audiences start complaining. While part of the flack that the Batwoman trailer received was definitely because of the “when it fits a woman” and “I’m not letting a man take credit for a woman’s work” lines (which I definitely think were lame, but that’s the CW for you), judging by many of the comments for that trailer, I’m fairly certain that many of these people would’ve complained regardless, especially given that Ruby Rose isn’t exactly a very feminine looking woman, and many people who aren’t familiar with the comics might assume that the CW just made up Batwoman as part of some misandrist agenda. Maybe. I admit that a celebrity's looks does affect how audiences react to them. But then again the female cast of Supergirl are all pretty attractive and they still get called out for being too SJW-centric. In the end, I guess we'll never know for sure, though I don't recall Ruby Rose getting much flak for her role in Orange is the New Black. Majority of the comments don't seem to complain about Ruby's looks or about Batwoman specifically. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 23, 2019 3:53:54 GMT
While part of the flack that the Batwoman trailer received was definitely because of the “when it fits a woman” and “I’m not letting a man take credit for a woman’s work” lines (which I definitely think were lame, but that’s the CW for you), judging by many of the comments for that trailer, I’m fairly certain that many of these people would’ve complained regardless, especially given that Ruby Rose isn’t exactly a very feminine looking woman, and many people who aren’t familiar with the comics might assume that the CW just made up Batwoman as part of some misandrist agenda. Maybe. I admit that a celebrity's looks does affect how audiences react to them. But then again the female cast of Supergirl are all pretty attractive and they still get called out for being too SJW-centric. In the end, I guess we'll never know for sure, though I don't recall Ruby Rose getting much flak for her role in Orange is the New Black. Majority of the comments don't seem to complain about Ruby's looks or about Batwoman specifically. is a show that was made with an LGBT audience in mind from the very beginning. Characters like Batman don’t really have that as a primary audience, and since Batwoman is spun off from Batman, there’s naturally going to be people who will complain about how the CW is pandering to “dykes”. Anyway, there were a number of comments who said things like “she looks like James Charles” and “the only way the SJWs can be feminist is by making the women manly!” I’ve also just recently noticed that there have been a few “stay in the kitchen” comments. I guess the the bottom line here is that YouTube comments are cancer.
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Post by Skaathar on May 23, 2019 5:07:13 GMT
Maybe. I admit that a celebrity's looks does affect how audiences react to them. But then again the female cast of Supergirl are all pretty attractive and they still get called out for being too SJW-centric. In the end, I guess we'll never know for sure, though I don't recall Ruby Rose getting much flak for her role in Orange is the New Black. Majority of the comments don't seem to complain about Ruby's looks or about Batwoman specifically. is a show that was made with an LGBT audience in mind from the very beginning. Characters like Batman don’t really have that as a primary audience, and since Batwoman is spun off from Batman, there’s naturally going to be people who will complain about how the CW is pandering to “dykes”. Anyway, there were a number of comments who said things like “she looks like James Charles” and “the only way the SJWs can be feminist is by making the women manly!” I’ve also just recently noticed that there have been a few “stay in the kitchen” comments. I guess the the bottom line here is that YouTube comments are cancer. Oh I'm not denying that there are indeed comments like that on the youtube trailer. I'm just saying they don't comprise the majority of complaints. Majority of the complaints seem to be more about the identity politics, the on-the-nose references to her being a woman, her lines regarding "when it fits a woman" and "Not gonna let a man take a credit for a woman's work", etc.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on May 24, 2019 0:48:41 GMT
Despicable human being (and well-known dullard) Grace Hancock will be among the naysayers. Hell, she turned a video about a release of a few on-set pics into a slam against feminism.
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Post by dazz on May 24, 2019 18:36:28 GMT
Despicable human being (and well-known dullard) Grace Hancock will be among the naysayers. Hell, she turned a video about a release of a few on-set pics into a slam against feminism. Did you mean Grace Randolph? Grace Hancock is an actress who worked for Collider Videos for a while but I have never heard anything to suggest she's a despicable human being, she always seemed sweet and funny to me, Randolph however I think is someone I have heard be called such a thing in the past but I don't follow anything she does so I maybe wrong.
OT: Hancock was in last weeks NCIS for a few minutes which I thought was cool btw 
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