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Post by Wolverine10005 on May 22, 2019 22:28:59 GMT
In your view?
1- Is Xavier's uniform slightly different from Havok's, Banshee's and Lehnsherr's?
2- Does Xavier actively fight on the field in the final battle? I don't remember it, quite frankly.
For instance, Moira wore a different uniform and she was a supporter, not an X-Man.
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Post by James on May 24, 2019 11:20:59 GMT
I would think so.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on May 24, 2019 22:21:54 GMT
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Post by ThatGuy on May 26, 2019 0:47:54 GMT
I don't think any of them were X-men until Apocalypse.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on May 26, 2019 12:09:14 GMT
I don't think any of them were X-men until Apocalypse. Mystique confirmed that they were.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 26, 2019 18:03:27 GMT
I don't think any of them were X-men until Apocalypse. Mystique confirmed that they were. In Apocalypse, she said they called themselves X-men, but... In First Class, Moira coined the name as a play on Xavier's name and G-men. This was after Mystique left with Magneto. So how would she know to call themselves X-men? Same goes for when Logan says it on the plane in DoFP. The only time she would have even heard the name was when Beast said it and that was only in the trailer (I think...). So really, when she says it, she pulled it out of her blue butt.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on May 26, 2019 18:56:40 GMT
Mystique confirmed that they were. In Apocalypse, she said they called themselves X-men, but... In First Class, Moira coined the name as a play on Xavier's name and G-men. This was after Mystique left with Magneto. So how would she know to call themselves X-men? Same goes for when Logan says it on the plane in DoFP. The only time she would have even heard the name was when Beast said it and that was only in the trailer (I think...). So really, when she says it, she pulled it out of her blue butt. It's obvious that Moira just took the idea from Mystique. Moira must have heard some conversation on the plane in FC. Canonically, Mystique and the guys in FC came up with the name, so they were X-Men. In "Apocalypse", Beast was talking about the "X-Men" project, and that has originated from their mission in Cuba.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 26, 2019 21:16:18 GMT
In Apocalypse, she said they called themselves X-men, but... In First Class, Moira coined the name as a play on Xavier's name and G-men. This was after Mystique left with Magneto. So how would she know to call themselves X-men? Same goes for when Logan says it on the plane in DoFP. The only time she would have even heard the name was when Beast said it and that was only in the trailer (I think...). So really, when she says it, she pulled it out of her blue butt. It's obvious that Moira just took the idea from Mystique. Moira must have heard some conversation on the plane in FC. Canonically, Mystique and the guys in FC came up with the name, so they were X-Men. In "Apocalypse", Beast was talking about the "X-Men" project, and that has originated from their mission in Cuba. Beast heard Logan say it. He was flying the plane like 3ft away from Logan when he said it. And, no, she didn't come up with the name "canonically." The 1st time we hear the word "X-men" in First Class was when Moira says it. If they would have come up with the name X-men to call themselves in the 1st (chronologically) X-men movie it would have been a big moment for the movies. It's like when they all give themselves names at the base. Them deciding to call themselves X-men behind the scenes would never fly. Especially when Moira said it, she said it like she just thought of the name. And to make matters worse, Xavier erased her mind of it. So he's the only one that would know of them as X-men. Also, First Class was the only time that team went out as a group. Magneto got pissed at Xavier for abandoning them. That stands to show that Xavier didn't have them go out and fight. Magneto's team served as the team that went out and fought for mutants. I mean Xavier didn't abandon mutants since he started a school for mutants. So that means that if Xavier's team didn't go out and fight, they didn't announce themselves as X-men.
What they (the filmmakers) did in Apocalypse was forget what happened in First Class.
And I just watched the scene. Beast says "After what happened in Washington, I thought we were going to come back and start the X-men... like we always use to talk about." Then "I think the world needs the X-men." But that only means that Logan says that Xavier should start the X-men and he and Beast was planning on doing so. But then somewhere along the lines Xavier decided to not create a group to fight.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on May 27, 2019 22:56:33 GMT
It's obvious that Moira just took the idea from Mystique. Moira must have heard some conversation on the plane in FC. Canonically, Mystique and the guys in FC came up with the name, so they were X-Men. In "Apocalypse", Beast was talking about the "X-Men" project, and that has originated from their mission in Cuba. Beast heard Logan say it. He was flying the plane like 3ft away from Logan when he said it. And, no, she didn't come up with the name "canonically." The 1st time we hear the word "X-men" in First Class was when Moira says it. If they would have come up with the name X-men to call themselves in the 1st (chronologically) X-men movie it would have been a big moment for the movies. It's like when they all give themselves names at the base. Them deciding to call themselves X-men behind the scenes would never fly. Especially when Moira said it, she said it like she just thought of the name. And to make matter worse, Xavier erased her mind of it. So he's the only one that would know of them as X-men. Also, First Class was the only time that team went out as a group. Magneto got pissed at Xavier for abandoning them. That stands to show that Xavier didn't have them go out and fight. Magneto's team served as the team that went out and fought for mutants. I mean Xavier didn't abandon mutants since he started a school for mutants. So that means that if Xavier's team didn't go out and fight, they didn't announce themselves as X-men.
What they (the filmmakers) did in Apocalypse was forget what happened in First Class.
And I just watched the scene. Beast says "After what happened in Washington, I thought we were going to come back and start the X-men... like we always use to talk about." Then "I think the world needs the X-men." But that only means that Logan says that Xavier should start the X-men and he and Beast was planning on doing so. But then somewhere along the lines Xavier decided to not create a group to fight.
I get your points, but "Apocalypse" is CANON, and so canonically we must think Mystique and the guys came up with the name some time before Moira would "steal" it in order to convince/persuade Xavier to create a mutant team. In comic books, it's called RETCON, and there's nothing wrong about it at all. To me, they were 100% X-Men. Lehnsherr/Magneto would become an X-Man again in the post-apocalyptic future of 2023. Havok was an X-Man and it has been "hinted" at the fact that he stayed at the school for some time, acting as Xavier's agent, before being drafted in Vietnam. Mystique was an X-Man and she would be an X-Man again in 1983-1992. Beast was an X-Man and he would be an X-Man again in 1983-1992. Even Banshee could have stayed at the school for some time, before being killed by the Project Wideawake. Beast was hoping that Mystique would come back to the school after the events of 1973, yes, but he was referring to the talk they did in 1962 - OFF SCREEN.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 28, 2019 19:31:05 GMT
Beast heard Logan say it. He was flying the plane like 3ft away from Logan when he said it. And, no, she didn't come up with the name "canonically." The 1st time we hear the word "X-men" in First Class was when Moira says it. If they would have come up with the name X-men to call themselves in the 1st (chronologically) X-men movie it would have been a big moment for the movies. It's like when they all give themselves names at the base. Them deciding to call themselves X-men behind the scenes would never fly. Especially when Moira said it, she said it like she just thought of the name. And to make matter worse, Xavier erased her mind of it. So he's the only one that would know of them as X-men. Also, First Class was the only time that team went out as a group. Magneto got pissed at Xavier for abandoning them. That stands to show that Xavier didn't have them go out and fight. Magneto's team served as the team that went out and fought for mutants. I mean Xavier didn't abandon mutants since he started a school for mutants. So that means that if Xavier's team didn't go out and fight, they didn't announce themselves as X-men.
What they (the filmmakers) did in Apocalypse was forget what happened in First Class.
And I just watched the scene. Beast says "After what happened in Washington, I thought we were going to come back and start the X-men... like we always use to talk about." Then "I think the world needs the X-men." But that only means that Logan says that Xavier should start the X-men and he and Beast was planning on doing so. But then somewhere along the lines Xavier decided to not create a group to fight.
I get your points, but "Apocalypse" is CANON, and so canonically we must think Mystique and the guys came up with the name some time before Moira would "steal" it in order to convince/persuade Xavier to create a mutant team. In comic books, it's called RETCON, and there's nothing wrong about it at all. To me, they were 100% X-Men. Lehnsherr/Magneto would become an X-Man again in the post-apocalyptic future of 2023. Havok was an X-Man and it has been "hinted" at the fact that he stayed at the school for some time, acting as Xavier's agent, before being drafted in Vietnam. Mystique was an X-Man and she would be an X-Man again in 1983-1992. Beast was an X-Man and he would be an X-Man again in 1983-1992. Even Banshee could have stayed at the school for some time, before being killed by the Project Wideawake. Beast was hoping that Mystique would come back to the school after the events of 1973, yes, but he was referring to the talk they did in 1962 - OFF SCREEN. Not to any of the other movies. I think each movie in the X-men universe is a new entry in the multiverse. They change things from the previous movies for it to be the same timeline. I mean, Dark Phoenix is acting like she wasn't Phoenix already in Apocalypse. I like how when Kinda Funny did their "X-men in Review", their motto was "Forget what you know" when talking about the next movie.
You can't say the characters talked off screen and say that it's canon. That's not how it works. They never called themselves X-men before Apocalypse. If they had decided that the team would be called X-men before Cuba then they would have said it on the beach at some point.
To you they were X-men, but in the actual movies they weren't. Havok had to have gone into the military like right after First Class because he had no clue about Erik. He asks Mystique where he was when it was publicly known that Erik was arrested for Kennedy's assassination. So he couldn't have been working for Xavier.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on May 29, 2019 23:29:49 GMT
To you they were X-men, but in the actual movies they weren't. Havok had to have gone into the military like right after First Class because he had no clue about Erik.
Wait... Havok/Alex asked that after the events of DOFP, 1973. Magneto became the most popular terrorist, and he was free.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 30, 2019 17:20:40 GMT
To you they were X-men, but in the actual movies they weren't. Havok had to have gone into the military like right after First Class because he had no clue about Erik.
Wait... Havok/Alex asked that after the events of DOFP, 1973. Magneto became the most popular terrorist, and he was free. He asked Mystique where Erik was when she came to rescue them from Stryker in Vietnam.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jun 18, 2019 18:39:31 GMT
YES BUT...
Magneto was imprisoned in late 1963.
Vietnam War for USA started a bit later, 1965?
So Alex did know Magneto was locked in a prison, surely.
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