Post by merh on Jun 1, 2019 16:06:41 GMT
And that's how they ruined him. You think their comic counterparts become fornite junkies after beating an enemy? But your defense is a joke.
Yeah.
They channeled Tony Stark's IM3 through Thor.
Like, at all?
Yeah.
Because Thor is a protector.
He's not Tony Stark.
Remember in Dark World where Loki said "Satisfaction is not in my nature" Thor said "Surrender is not in mine"
[/quote]Of course Thor is acting out of character that's the whole point of his role in the movie, the PTSD he got from the combined events of Ragnarok, Infinity War, and the failure of failing to stop Thanos led to alcoholism, overeating, and becoming an anti-social schlub. [/quote]
So everyone's PTSD is the same.
Its all Tony Stark Demon in a Bottle.
Do you remember in Thor where Fandral berates Volstagg for downing in hours "four wild boar, 6 pheasants, a side of beef & 2 casks of ale"?
So Thor, feeling guilty for failing his people, is going to demand a daily sacrifice from them of this magnitude to gain & maintain that size?
Because if you look at www.marvel.com/characters/thor-thor-odinson/in-comics
HEIGHT - Thor: 6’6”
WEIGHT - Thor: 640 lbs.
WEIGHT - Thor: 640 lbs.
So he now weighs 800 lbs? 1000?
Where is he getting all this food & drink? His people are refugees so he's cool with taking everything they produce?
He's not Tony Stark.
He is considerate.
His PTSD would more likely run to him becoming overprotective, building a 100 foot wall around New Asgard, instigating patrols & a strict curfew.
His people would hate life under his rules enacted to protect them.
He wouldnt become possessed by Volstagg.
Why the HELL did they kill The Warriors Three in like 5 minutes if they wanted to turn Thor into Volstagg?
He joins the Guardians at the end because he wants to reclaim the excitement of his youth and get back into the habit of being a warrior again which is why he feels unfit to rule over Asgard at the moment - too much emotional weight to carry.
No.
He has NEVER wanted the throne since Loki brought the Frost Giants in to stop his coronation in the first movie.
Once he got a taste of life on earth he has preferred to be a hero, a protector. With Loki dead, he had no one to pass the throne onto
Running off to hang with the Guardians is no different than running off to play hero on earth with the Avengers.
You do not have to like what they did, but it had purpose.
I could wish they didn't cookie cutter all these traumas.
Everyone doesn't react the same to trauma, do they?
Speaking as someone who woke to find the man she had lived with for 21 years dead.
No, I didn't start drinking alcohol. Never drank alcohol before.
No, I didn't shirk my responsibilities to my child. I had to make up for the lack of the other parent.
People don't react the same.
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Hemsworth is amazing and highly talented, he can play anything. I just rather wish that they had kept the character as Thor rather than -- apparently for lack of knowing how to handle him without being corny -- using him for comic relief and finally turning him into Volstagg.
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Since you worked on the original Thor, I’d love your thoughts on how Chris Hemsworth has evolved in the role.
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One of the main reaons I ended up writing the Thor comic that brought back the character was because everybody else the editors asked ran screaming out into the night because it's really hard to write him without being corny. It ain't easy.
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In case you fail to recognize the name,
Straczynski, who created Babylon 5 and Sense8, among many other worthy projects, is also a masterful writer and comics aficionado who has worked on both DC and Marvel titles. He’s responsible for reviving Thor in comics in the early 2000s and helping to pave the way for much of the MCU Thor we know
He was in Thor-one of the gang trying to lift Mjolnir at the crash site.
Thor can be difficult to write for the screen (and, as Straczynski points out, in comics too). The MCU has alternately depicted him as a Shakespearean prince, too serious, a goofball, a blundering fish-out-of-water, a fierce competitor, a romantic hero. The character is a mix of varying traits made trickier by his magical space god royal background. The movie that managed to get Thor’s complexities into pitch-perfect balance was Ragnarok, which allowed him to be both earnest and hilarious, sly and smart, and an able warrior totally out of his element. The same Thor who throws a ball at a window that rebounds and knocks him flat is soon discussing advanced physics with Bruce Banner. Thor contains multitudes.
But the writers of Infinity War and Endgame did not know how, or were not interested, in continuing Thor’s Ragnarok evolution. They killed off the last of his old world support system and sent Thor, a man who spent all of Ragnarok learning that he did not need his fabled weapon, off on a quest to get a fabled weapon for the majority of Infinity War.
Then they decided to make him feel like a “failure” in Endgame for not taking off Thanos’ head, and sunk the character into a depressive gloom. Rather than using this set-up as an opportunity to seriously explore what an “unworthy” Thor might look like in the MCU, totally unmoored and having lost 98% of the people he loves, they made Thor a trite punchline.
Even when he summons his armor and is impressively suited up for battle in the movie’s last quarter, Thor is given next to nothing to do, especially compared to Captain America and Iron Man. Past!Thanos, this time sans Gauntlet, somehow bests Thor, the God of Thunder, more powerful than Odin, a guy who channeled the power of a dying star through his body in order to forge his new axe, quite easily.
It makes no sense, save that beyond not knowing how to write for Thor’s personality, the writers also couldn’t figure out how to handle Thor’s considerable power. So a 1500-year-old warrior who’s battled unthinkable odds doesn’t get a truly standout moment in the big fight, while Steve Rogers, wielding Thor’s hammer, gets perhaps the most standout fight moment in the film. Now, I wouldn’t take Mjölnir away from Steve for anything, it’s a fantastic scene. But it’s hard not to feel like Thor and his world are shortchanged in Endgame, and it’s nice to hear that someone well-steeped in Thor lore also felt that something was off.
But the writers of Infinity War and Endgame did not know how, or were not interested, in continuing Thor’s Ragnarok evolution. They killed off the last of his old world support system and sent Thor, a man who spent all of Ragnarok learning that he did not need his fabled weapon, off on a quest to get a fabled weapon for the majority of Infinity War.
Then they decided to make him feel like a “failure” in Endgame for not taking off Thanos’ head, and sunk the character into a depressive gloom. Rather than using this set-up as an opportunity to seriously explore what an “unworthy” Thor might look like in the MCU, totally unmoored and having lost 98% of the people he loves, they made Thor a trite punchline.
Even when he summons his armor and is impressively suited up for battle in the movie’s last quarter, Thor is given next to nothing to do, especially compared to Captain America and Iron Man. Past!Thanos, this time sans Gauntlet, somehow bests Thor, the God of Thunder, more powerful than Odin, a guy who channeled the power of a dying star through his body in order to forge his new axe, quite easily.
It makes no sense, save that beyond not knowing how to write for Thor’s personality, the writers also couldn’t figure out how to handle Thor’s considerable power. So a 1500-year-old warrior who’s battled unthinkable odds doesn’t get a truly standout moment in the big fight, while Steve Rogers, wielding Thor’s hammer, gets perhaps the most standout fight moment in the film. Now, I wouldn’t take Mjölnir away from Steve for anything, it’s a fantastic scene. But it’s hard not to feel like Thor and his world are shortchanged in Endgame, and it’s nice to hear that someone well-steeped in Thor lore also felt that something was off.
www.themarysue.com/j-michael-straczynski-thor-in-avengers-endgame/
So you claim the Thor in Endgame is a realistic progression while one of his writers who actually took the time to understand the character says different?