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Post by Skaathar on Jun 14, 2019 1:54:13 GMT
That's because you haven't watched any of Blake Lively's more recent movies. Problem with Larson is that, although she has decent acting skills, she doesn't have a lot of charisma. I've said it before and I'll say it again: these superhero actors need more charisma for their roles than acting talent. She also doesn't sell the "tough-chick" act that well. Instead of looking tough and confident she just comes off as bitchy and trying hard. Compare Blake Lively in The Shallows Sharks? Sorry. I am NEVER going to go to Florida because I hate alligators. And I live 30 minutes from the beach, but never go. I don't go in sharks' home. I expect them to never bother me. I thought she was fine in the role. Sorry Most gals are amazingly capable. It really varies She survived to the end of Kong She survived to the end of Free Fire I mean, Michelle Pfeifer's Selina Kyle was frail in some ways, yet a survivor, wasn't she? That movie does not interest me... I like action & superhero stuff. I get enough crime talking to my convicted felon clients. I need a solid actor I'm interested in seeing. She is more "pretty" which we really don't need in a gal joining the military. Larson sold me on 80s serviceperson. Sorry merh, but if you really haven't watched Blake in any of her movies other than the worst ones then how can you expect to make an decent judgement on this? If you saw the movies I listed, you'd immediately understand why she'd be a better fit for Captain Marvel. Larson only survived till the end of Kong because the script made it so. That does not mean she was able to believably portray a tough, capable woman. The script of Ironfist made it so that Finn Jones was supposedly a great martial artist. That doesn't change the fact that he did not look like it at all. And to relegate Blake to simply being "pretty" is kinda condescending, considering that she has a lot more going for her than just a pretty face.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jun 14, 2019 2:25:15 GMT
“The haters have a very compelling case” would be my personal pick
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 14, 2019 5:41:01 GMT
Larson's not really a believable action star, but as good as other actresses could've been they can only do so much with such weak source material as Kelly Sue DeConnick's reimagining of the character which served as the film's primary source of influence. Thanks to DeConnick Carol has gotten less likable and more of a poster child for Mary Sues everywhere since she began writing the character, a far cry from Chris Claremont, Roy Thomas, Jim Starlin, and Gene Colan nowadays she acts like the bad guy. Ignoring what DeConnick had done to the character, the character herself in the movie does not have an arc to really speak of or is written in such a way that even the best of actresses could really do a whole lot with it in addition to its average(as best) story. She was better in Endgame than her own movie, but even so her presence felt a little forced.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 14, 2019 5:44:53 GMT
She did better than I thought she would, but they went the wrong direction with this character. Ditto, wish they had taken more influence from the works of Claremont, Thomas, Colan, and Starlin over DeConnick - Sorry but that lady is not a very good writer, and the only reason she's even working in comics is because of her husband.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 14, 2019 5:51:53 GMT
Nope shes a terrible actress and needs to be recast. Tons of actresses could have been better Nope, she's a great actress...But not very convincing as an action star, but the source material is really to be at fault here - Kelly Sue DeConnick's revamp of Carol Danvers served as the primary source of influence for the movie version which was a mistake as DeConnick's revamp of the character isn't particularly likeable, interesting, and has actually become more of a villain as time has gone on in the comics. A far cry from the fun and complex character die hard Marvel fans loved from the 70's, 80's, 90's, and most of the 00's which would've actually made for better material to base a movie off of and would've allowed somebody like Larson, or anyone else, to shine better.
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Post by merh on Jun 14, 2019 8:00:13 GMT
Nope shes a terrible actress and needs to be recast. Tons of actresses could have been better Nope, she's a great actress...But not very convincing as an action star, but the source material is really to be at fault here - Kelly Sue DeConnick's revamp of Carol Danvers served as the primary source of influence for the movie version which was a mistake as DeConnick's revamp of the character isn't particularly likeable, interesting, and has actually become more of a villain as time has gone on in the comics. A far cry from the fun and complex character die hard Marvel fans loved from the 70's, 80's, 90's, and most of the 00's which would've actually made for better material to base a movie off of and would've allowed somebody like Larson, or anyone else, to shine better. To be fair, the character doesnt have to look like an action hero. The power came from the Tesseract. It's like Billy Mumy on Twilight Zone-kid with powers. Which yeah, might be the problem. They said she was cast off Room. Feige said they were going for the Robocop amnesiac story. She was someone who was being forced to be something she wasn't. The Kree were trying to make her what they needed her to be, not who she really was. Her head was trying to break out of it, but Yon-rogg was there trying to reign her in. For that, she was excellent. She did the "yeah, I'm done with this" just fine. She didn't need to fit into their pegboard. Square peg, round hole? No. To take the Wargames idea-she didn't need to play their game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 9:50:01 GMT
I just watched Captain Marvel for the first time tonight. I rented it because I had zero interest in paying money to theaters because the trailers looked bad.
This all said, this movie suffers from 2 of the worst things a movie can be imo boring and forgettable. I don't give a shit about Carol. She's just....dull. She's boring. I have this issue with the MCU main female characters. What is it about the MCU's main cast of women that seem to be devoid of charisma/personality? Widow/Witch/Marvel they're all just bland. I think that's why Valkyrie is so awesome. She has all that.
Brie Larson did zero for me. She's just boring. Can the sequel just give us Rogue where she takes all her powers and we no longer see Carol again? That wouldn't upset me at all.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jun 14, 2019 13:16:03 GMT
I just watched Captain Marvel for the first time tonight. I rented it because I had zero interest in paying money to theaters because the trailers looked bad. This all said, this movie suffers from 2 of the worst things a movie can be imo boring and forgettable. I don't give a shit about Carol. She's just....dull. She's boring. I have this issue with the MCU main female characters. What is it about the MCU's main cast of women that seem to be devoid of charisma/personality? Widow/Witch/Marvel they're all just bland. I think that's why Valkyrie is so awesome. She has all that. Brie Larson did zero for me. She's just boring. Can the sequel just give us Rogue where she takes all her powers and we no longer see Carol again? That wouldn't upset me at all. Somebody gets that Brie is a block of wood
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 14, 2019 14:08:46 GMT
I just watched Captain Marvel for the first time tonight. I rented it because I had zero interest in paying money to theaters because the trailers looked bad. This all said, this movie suffers from 2 of the worst things a movie can be imo boring and forgettable. I don't give a shit about Carol. She's just....dull. She's boring. I have this issue with the MCU main female characters. What is it about the MCU's main cast of women that seem to be devoid of charisma/personality? Widow/Witch/Marvel they're all just bland. I think that's why Valkyrie is so awesome. She has all that. Brie Larson did zero for me. She's just boring. Can the sequel just give us Rogue where she takes all her powers and we no longer see Carol again? That wouldn't upset me at all. I made an observation before where I mentioned majority of the MCU's main female characters are pretty much just duplicates of each other. Black Widow, Gamora, Wasp, Captain Marvel, Sif, Peggy Carter, Melinda May, Colleen Wing, Misty Knight, even Valkyrie and Nebula to an extent... they're all just slight variations of the sassy, tough chick w/ a good heart under a badass exterior character. There are a few who break away from that mold (Hela and Mantis for example) but they're few and far in between and they're either side characters or one-off characters. To date, I still think Wanda has been the best developed female MCU character and I think they should have made her their primary female character rather than Captain Marvel. It's great that she's getting her own show but she really should have gotten her own movie.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 14, 2019 15:17:10 GMT
Brie is not the person I would have cast because I don't think she fits the role physically. However, she has done a good job of playing the character and the movies have not suffered by having her their.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 14, 2019 16:43:21 GMT
I'm surprised at the poll results. I mean, she's not as terrible as some people make her out to be but do you guys honestly think she was a great casting choice for the role? Really?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 17:42:24 GMT
I'm surprised at the poll results. I mean, she's not as terrible as some people make her out to be but do you guys honestly think she was a great casting choice for the role? Really? I don't know about a slam dunk, but there's no going back.
It's rare that actors always click. If we're being honest, I could probably count the number of roles I would recast on one hand. With surprisingly few exceptions given how many thousands of movies I've seen, almost everybody role I've ever seen is interchangeable. Some roles like Arnold as the Terminator are untouchable by now, but they're very few and far between, including in the MCU.
Blake Lively could have been better, or should could have been worse. We'll never know now; that ship has sailed
I'll say this for Larson as Captain Marvel; when I saw you write that she looks less confident and tough and more bitchy and trying hard, my first thought was what's the difference?
Bitchy is less a criticism and more an assessment, in my opinion. Captain Marvel isn't a nice lady. She's always been an elite; elite air force pilot (you don't get that job from Craigslist), elite task force in Kree army, and now she's one of the most powerful beings in the universe. If her character has a big ego, it's constantly being validated by life.
Her bitchiness makes sense to me. Usually, people who have an answer for everything alienate people, but she always backs up what she says and she's not usually wrong. It just has the distinction of coming across like humble-bragging because when you have her power, your fair share of the load is a lot higher than anybody else'; it's natural to wear on one's nerves, but I don't really know what else she can do but downplay her power to make the others feel better. If living her best life full throttle makes people feel bad, what is she supposed to do about that?
Not to sound like a wet blanket; the most suitable, Captain Marvelesque looking person is probably a firefighter, soldier, or chef somewhere in the world who isn't even an actor. Food for thought, one of the actors who was vying for the lead role in The Life of Pi said he visited some schools in India to prepare for the role and felt every other kid he saw could fit the role on appearance alone. Brie Larson's been Captain Marvel twice now, and now I can't see her as anyone else.
Personally, to this day, I still think Gwyneth Paltrow was the weak link in the cast.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 14, 2019 18:17:44 GMT
Nope, she's a great actress...But not very convincing as an action star, but the source material is really to be at fault here - Kelly Sue DeConnick's revamp of Carol Danvers served as the primary source of influence for the movie version which was a mistake as DeConnick's revamp of the character isn't particularly likeable, interesting, and has actually become more of a villain as time has gone on in the comics. A far cry from the fun and complex character die hard Marvel fans loved from the 70's, 80's, 90's, and most of the 00's which would've actually made for better material to base a movie off of and would've allowed somebody like Larson, or anyone else, to shine better. To be fair, the character doesnt have to look like an action hero. The power came from the Tesseract. It's like Billy Mumy on Twilight Zone-kid with powers. Which yeah, might be the problem. They said she was cast off Room. Feige said they were going for the Robocop amnesiac story. She was someone who was being forced to be something she wasn't. The Kree were trying to make her what they needed her to be, not who she really was. Her head was trying to break out of it, but Yon-rogg was there trying to reign her in. For that, she was excellent. She did the "yeah, I'm done with this" just fine. She didn't need to fit into their pegboard. Square peg, round hole? No. To take the Wargames idea-she didn't need to play their game. The problem with the movie is that she does not have a character arc to really speak of, she does not actually grow anywhere between the beginning and the end of the story and when big reveals occur she is more or less the same in personality, power level, and is capable of doing, well, pretty much anything without much struggle. I am sorry but there is no way a person can seriously say with a straight face that Captain Marvel is as well developed or as strong(in characterization terms mind you) an on-screen action heroine like your Ellen Ripley(Alien), Sarah Connor(Terminator), Leia Organa(Star Wars), Yu Shu Lien(Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon), The Bride(Kill Bill), Trinity(The Matrix), Wonder Woman, Rita Vrataski(Edge of Tomorrow), Ilsa Faust(Mission: Impossible), Alita(Alita: Battle Angel), River Tam(Serenity/Firefly), Zoë Washburne(Also Serenity/Firefly), Jessica Yang(Super Cop), Furiosa(Mad Max), Hanna, Nikita / Marie Clément(La Femme Nikita), and even Selene(Underworld), Neytiri(Avatar), Leeloo(The Fifth Element), Yuki Kashima (Shurayuki-hime)(Lady Snowblood), Evelyn(The Mummy), and as far as the MCU goes Black Widow, Gamora, Pepper, Nebula, Scarlet Witch, Peggy Carter, Sif, Wasp, and Valkyrie. The best comparison I can come up with for your Carol Danvers as the MCU portrays her as is Alice from those Resident Evil movies. Your Robocop comparison only goes so far because Murphy actually had a more fleshed out arc that had good pay off in the end. It isn't really on Larson that the character's journey feels so flat but moreso on the screenwriters and directors and the choice of source material(Kelly Sue DeConnick ruined Carol Danvers and turned her into a cold, unlikeable, Mary Sue who is now a borderline villain in the comics since then).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 18:37:53 GMT
To be fair, the character doesnt have to look like an action hero. The power came from the Tesseract. It's like Billy Mumy on Twilight Zone-kid with powers. Which yeah, might be the problem. They said she was cast off Room. Feige said they were going for the Robocop amnesiac story. She was someone who was being forced to be something she wasn't. The Kree were trying to make her what they needed her to be, not who she really was. Her head was trying to break out of it, but Yon-rogg was there trying to reign her in. For that, she was excellent. She did the "yeah, I'm done with this" just fine. She didn't need to fit into their pegboard. Square peg, round hole? No. To take the Wargames idea-she didn't need to play their game. The problem with the movie is that she does not have a character arc to really speak of, she does not actually grow anywhere between the beginning and the end of the story and when big reveals occur she is more or less the same in personality, power level, and is capable of doing, well, pretty much anything without much struggle. I am sorry but there is no way a person can seriously say with a straight face that Captain Marvel is as well developed or as strong(in characterization terms mind you) an on-screen action heroine like your Ellen Ripley(Alien), Sarah Connor(Terminator), Leia Organa(Star Wars), Yu Shu Lien(Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon), The Bride(Kill Bill), Trinity(The Matrix), Wonder Woman, Rita Vrataski(Edge of Tomorrow), Ilsa Faust(Mission: Impossible), Alita(Alita: Battle Angel), River Tam(Serenity/Firefly), Zoë Washburne(Also Serenity/Firefly), Jessica Yang(Super Cop), Furiosa(Mad Max), Hanna, Nikita / Marie Clément(La Femme Nikita), and even Selene(Underworld), Neytiri(Avatar), Leeloo(The Fifth Element), Yuki Kashima (Shurayuki-hime)(Lady Snowblood), Evelyn(The Mummy), and as far as the MCU goes Black Widow, Gamora, Pepper, Nebula, Scarlet Witch, Peggy Carter, Sif, Wasp, and Valkyrie. The best comparison I can come up with for your Carol Danvers as the MCU portrays her as is Alice from those Resident Evil movies. Your Robocop comparison only goes so far because Murphy actually had a more fleshed out arc that had good pay off in the end. It isn't really on Larson that the character's journey feels so flat but moreso on the screenwriters and directors and the choice of source material(Kelly Sue DeConnick ruined Carol Danvers and turned her into a cold, unlikeable, Mary Sue who is now a borderline villain in the comics since then). Superman also makes sense as a comparative character. There's not a whole lot to do but give her the action and watch the rest of the world react to them.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 14, 2019 18:49:53 GMT
I'm surprised at the poll results. I mean, she's not as terrible as some people make her out to be but do you guys honestly think she was a great casting choice for the role? Really? when I saw you write that she looks less confident and tough and more bitchy and trying hard, my first thought was what's the difference?
Let me try to explain by using a few of my old managers as examples. I've worked under managers who, whenever they give me orders, I immediately get irritated with them. I had a hard time respecting their decisions, even if there was nothing wrong with their decisions. When they reprimanded me for something, my instinctive reaction is to want to scoff in their face and roll my eyes. If they ever raise their voice at me or someone else, my instinct is to shout back at them and say "Shut the f up!". Let's call this Manager A. I've also worked under managers who, whenever they gave me orders, I'd immediately follow them before I even had time to think about it. When they reprimanded me I bow my head, guilty that I might have let them down. When they made decisions I respected them, even if I didn't agree with them. When they raise their voice at me or something else I immediately stop to listen to what they want because I know it must be important. Let's call this Manager B. Then I compared these two manager types in my head. Externally, they can look like anyone. It's not dependent on one being better looking than the other (most of my managers were men anyway and I'm not attracted to men). It wasn't dependent on their intelligence or efficiency, as I've have intelligent and dumb managers from both types. It's not their tone of voice either, as I've had both loud and meek managers of both types. So what differentiates them? It's hard to tell. I do know that when Manager A orders you, it feels like they're trying too hard to be authoritative whereas when Manager B gives you the exact same orders, there's so much confidence in the way they say it that you automatically find yourself doing it. When they get pissed off at you, Manager A feels like they're just going on a power trip whereas you're legitimately afraid/ashamed of earning the disfavor of Manager B. When manager B talks in the middle of a meeting, everybody quiets down and listens to him whereas when Manager A does the exact same thing, people roll their eyes and think "Oh boy, here he goes again....". Anyway back to what I was saying, when Brie tries to look tough, it comes off as her trying to look tough instead of actually being tough. When she tries to look assertive, it comes off as being bitchy. Unlike say compared to ladies like Gal Gadot, Charlize Theron or even Angelina Jolie. Their tough-chick roles carry a lot more weight to them, and you find yourself taking them a bit more seriously. My favorite example is Sarah Connor in T2. That's someone who looked effortlessly tough without seeming to be trying too hard. Katie Cassidy as Black Canary is also similar to Brie where she just doesn't portray a believable badass. Compared to when Caity Lotz played the character and you'll see a big difference. Sometimes, actors just don't fit roles. Can you imagine Henry Cavill playing Frank Castle?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 19:44:17 GMT
when I saw you write that she looks less confident and tough and more bitchy and trying hard, my first thought was what's the difference?
Let me try to explain by using a few of my old managers as examples. I've worked under managers who, whenever they give me orders, I immediately get irritated with them. I had a hard time respecting their decisions, even if there was nothing wrong with their decisions. When they reprimanded me for something, my instinctive reaction is to want to scoff in their face and roll my eyes. If they ever raise their voice at me or someone else, my instinct is to shout back at them and say "Shut the f up!". Let's call this Manager A. I've also worked under managers who, whenever they gave me orders, I'd immediately follow them before I even had time to think about it. When they reprimanded me I bow my head, guilty that I might have let them down. When they made decisions I respected them, even if I didn't agree with them. When they raise their voice at me or something else I immediately stop to listen to what they want because I know it must be important. Let's call this Manager B. Then I compared these two manager types in my head. Externally, they can look like anyone. It's not dependent on one being better looking than the other (most of my managers were men anyway and I'm not attracted to men). It wasn't dependent on their intelligence or efficiency, as I've have intelligent and dumb managers from both types. It's not their tone of voice either, as I've had both loud and meek managers of both types. So what differentiates them? It's hard to tell. I do know that when Manager A orders you, it feels like they're trying too hard to be authoritative whereas when Manager B gives you the exact same orders, there's so much confidence in the way they say it that you automatically find yourself doing it. When they get pissed off at you, Manager A feels like they're just going on a power trip whereas you're legitimately afraid/ashamed of earning the disfavor of Manager B. When manager B talks in the middle of a meeting, everybody quiets down and listens to him whereas when Manager A does the exact same thing, people roll their eyes and think "Oh boy, here he goes again....". Anyway back to what I was saying, when Brie tries to look tough, it comes off as her trying to look tough instead of actually being tough. When she tries to look assertive, it comes off as being bitchy. Unlike say compared to ladies like Gal Gadot, Charlize Theron or even Angelina Jolie. Their tough-chick roles carry a lot more weight to them, and you find yourself taking them a bit more seriously. My favorite example is Sarah Connor in T2. That's someone who looked effortlessly tough without seeming to be trying too hard. Katie Cassidy as Black Canary is also similar to Brie where she just doesn't portray a believable badass. Compared to when Caity Lotz played the character and you'll see a big difference. Sometimes, actors just don't fit roles. Can you imagine Henry Cavill playing Frank Castle? You're talking to a guy who takes aggressively given orders from people like her for a living. There is no room for debate in the kitchen and chefs don't have time to stop and break down their instructions or make people feel better. Whether it's manager A or manager B, you have to do what both of them say all the same. It's a lot more military like than the public understands, and that's in addition to the explosion of food culture on TV. Gordon Ramsay is someone I have no time for because of his style and yelling, but I wouldn't say he's a fake tough guy or trying too hard. He wouldn't be my first choice to work for but you can bet your boots if I did, what he says goes and there's no debate.
Kitchens are never short of drama and politics, much though it seems they should be. Every kitchen is its own private little game of thrones and maybe you'd be surprised at how much shit good managers like manager B gets, and how many sycophants and ne'er do wells suck up to manager A. Anyone can blame the manager but the situation's still the same; you pull together with the army you have. Blaming the manager will only get you so far.
Sara Connor didn't look effortlessly tough to me. She's one of my favorite movie characters of all time but it's not for lack of trying. It's the same issue every time she's brought up; people only remember badass, tooth-pick chewing, guns a blazing Sara Connor from T2. She was a raging bitch in T2, it was one of her best features. One of my favorite scenes of hers in that movie was Dyson confessing to taking the technology too far, being humble, to which she interrupts with 'men like you created the atom bomb, men like you think they're so special...' in front of his wife and inside his home after she shot him, an innocent man who hadn't done anything yet. She tells him he doesn't know what it's like to create life; he has a son! He does know what it's like to create life. She barely has time to coddle and comfort her own son she hasn't seen in years; her first words to him are about being more careful or he'll get himself killed, and that's in response to putting his life on the line to save her. It's a very far cry from the sweetness of her character in The Terminator. She's absolutely a bitch.
Could I imagine Henry Cavill playing Frank Castle? I couldn't even imagine Heath Ledger playing the Joker. I couldn't imagine Jon Bernthal playing Frank Castle (one of my best friends doesn't even he's suited for the role). I definitely did not picture Chris Evans as Captain America, or Robert Downy Jr. as Iron Man. That's not me playing devil's advocate, I'm absolutely serious about imagining who plays what role. I'd read somewhere that Chris Pratt wasn't James Gunn's first choice for Starlord; Jodie Foster, terrific though she is, wasn't the first choice for Silence of the Lambs but Michelle Pfeiffer didn't want it. If this were 1988 right now, I'd look you square in the eye and say seriously, you think Michael Keaton could pull off Batman, are you nuts? Mr. Mom, you think that's Batman material?
I take Captain Marvel seriously. She doesn't suffer fools, I guess, and that's her character. It's a direction I might not have chosen myself, but it is what it is. I didn't vote because I'd never put my name behind an option like fuck the haters, but being on board is an acknowledgment that there's no going back. That's how I see it.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 14, 2019 19:57:40 GMT
Let me try to explain by using a few of my old managers as examples. I've worked under managers who, whenever they give me orders, I immediately get irritated with them. I had a hard time respecting their decisions, even if there was nothing wrong with their decisions. When they reprimanded me for something, my instinctive reaction is to want to scoff in their face and roll my eyes. If they ever raise their voice at me or someone else, my instinct is to shout back at them and say "Shut the f up!". Let's call this Manager A. I've also worked under managers who, whenever they gave me orders, I'd immediately follow them before I even had time to think about it. When they reprimanded me I bow my head, guilty that I might have let them down. When they made decisions I respected them, even if I didn't agree with them. When they raise their voice at me or something else I immediately stop to listen to what they want because I know it must be important. Let's call this Manager B. Then I compared these two manager types in my head. Externally, they can look like anyone. It's not dependent on one being better looking than the other (most of my managers were men anyway and I'm not attracted to men). It wasn't dependent on their intelligence or efficiency, as I've have intelligent and dumb managers from both types. It's not their tone of voice either, as I've had both loud and meek managers of both types. So what differentiates them? It's hard to tell. I do know that when Manager A orders you, it feels like they're trying too hard to be authoritative whereas when Manager B gives you the exact same orders, there's so much confidence in the way they say it that you automatically find yourself doing it. When they get pissed off at you, Manager A feels like they're just going on a power trip whereas you're legitimately afraid/ashamed of earning the disfavor of Manager B. When manager B talks in the middle of a meeting, everybody quiets down and listens to him whereas when Manager A does the exact same thing, people roll their eyes and think "Oh boy, here he goes again....". Anyway back to what I was saying, when Brie tries to look tough, it comes off as her trying to look tough instead of actually being tough. When she tries to look assertive, it comes off as being bitchy. Unlike say compared to ladies like Gal Gadot, Charlize Theron or even Angelina Jolie. Their tough-chick roles carry a lot more weight to them, and you find yourself taking them a bit more seriously. My favorite example is Sarah Connor in T2. That's someone who looked effortlessly tough without seeming to be trying too hard. Katie Cassidy as Black Canary is also similar to Brie where she just doesn't portray a believable badass. Compared to when Caity Lotz played the character and you'll see a big difference. Sometimes, actors just don't fit roles. Can you imagine Henry Cavill playing Frank Castle? You're talking to a guy who takes aggressively given orders from people like her for a living. There is no room for debate in the kitchen and chefs don't have time to stop and break down their instructions or make people feel better. Whether it's manager A or manager B, you have to do what both of them say all the same. It's a lot more military like than the public understands, and that's in addition to the explosion of food culture on TV. Gordon Ramsay is someone I have no time for because of his style and yelling, but I wouldn't say he's a fake tough guy or trying too hard. He wouldn't be my first choice to work for but you can bet your boots if I did, what he says goes and there's no debate.
Kitchens are never short of drama and politics, much though it seems they should be. Every kitchen is its own private little game of thrones and maybe you'd be surprised at how much shit good managers like manager B gets, and how many sycophants and ne'er do wells suck up to manager A. Anyone can blame the manager but the situation's still the same; you pull together with the army you have. Blaming the manager will only get you so far.
Sara Connor didn't look effortlessly tough to me. She's one of my favorite movie characters of all time but it's not for lack of trying. It's the same issue every time she's brought up; people only remember badass, tooth-pick chewing, guns a blazing Sara Connor from T2. She was a raging bitch in T2, it was one of her best features. One of my favorite scenes of hers in that movie was Dyson confessing to taking the technology too far, being humble, to which she interrupts with 'men like you created the atom bomb, men like you think they're so special...' in front of his wife and inside his home after she shot him, an innocent man who hadn't done anything yet. She tells him he doesn't know what it's like to create life; he has a son! He does know what it's like to create life. She barely has time to coddle and comfort her own son she hasn't seen in years; her first words to him are about being more careful or he'll get himself killed, and that's in response to putting his life on the line to save her. It's a very far cry from the sweetness of her character in The Terminator. She's absolutely a bitch.
Could I imagine Henry Cavill playing Frank Castle? I couldn't even imagine Heath Ledger playing the Joker. I couldn't imagine Jon Bernthal playing Frank Castle (one of my best friends doesn't even he's suited for the role). I definitely did not picture Chris Evans as Captain America, or Robert Downy Jr. as Iron Man. That's not me playing devil's advocate, I'm absolutely serious about imagining who plays what role. I'd read somewhere that Chris Pratt wasn't James Gunn's first choice for Starlord; Jodie Foster, terrific though she is, wasn't the first choice for Silence of the Lambs but Michelle Pfeiffer didn't want it. If this were 1988 right now, I'd look you square in the eye and say seriously, you think Michael Keaton could pull off Batman, are you nuts? Mr. Mom, you think that's Batman material?
I take Captain Marvel seriously. She doesn't suffer fools, I guess, and that's her character. It's a direction I might not have chosen myself, but it is what it is. I didn't vote because I'd never put my name behind an option like fuck the haters, but being on board is an acknowledgment that there's no going back. That's how I see it.
I have a feeling you're not understanding me. Whether you follow someone's orders or not is not the point. The question is what goes on in your mind as you follow them? Because even in the military, some men/women are able to give orders more naturally than others even if they all get followed anyway. Some people just have more gravity to them. Doing actions that qualify you as being a total bitch is not the same thing as being bitchy. Sarah Connor might have done things that would have been considered bitchy, but she herself never looked bitchy in the movie. And no, I had no trouble imagining Jon Bernthal or Chris Evans in their roles when they were announced. And the main difference between Michael Keaton, Heath Ledger and Brie Larson, is that were doubtful about Keaton and Ledger but they proved everyone wrong when they played their roles. People didn't doubt Larson that much for her role when it was announced (the negativity surrounding her was about other things) but people started complaining about her performance AFTER the first trailers popped up and certainly after her movie came out. So they were judging her based on her performance. As for Captain Marvel not suffering fools, that's how they wrote their character. That's fine, I have no issue with that. My issue is that the actor they chose for the role isn't able to portray it quite that convincingly. Like I said, it's similar (though not as bad) as trying to pass off Finn Jones as a martial arts master. She just doesn't sell the role that well. If she did there'd be far less complaints against her.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 14, 2019 20:00:22 GMT
I just watched Captain Marvel for the first time tonight. I rented it because I had zero interest in paying money to theaters because the trailers looked bad.This all said, this movie suffers from 2 of the worst things a movie can be imo boring and forgettable. I don't give a shit about Carol. She's just....dull. She's boring. I have this issue with the MCU main female characters. What is it about the MCU's main cast of women that seem to be devoid of charisma/personality? Widow/Witch/Marvel they're all just bland. I think that's why Valkyrie is so awesome. She has all that. Brie Larson did zero for me. She's just boring. Can the sequel just give us Rogue where she takes all her powers and we no longer see Carol again? That wouldn't upset me at all. Don't worry, Disney bought your seat anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 20:15:36 GMT
You're talking to a guy who takes aggressively given orders from people like her for a living. There is no room for debate in the kitchen and chefs don't have time to stop and break down their instructions or make people feel better. Whether it's manager A or manager B, you have to do what both of them say all the same. It's a lot more military like than the public understands, and that's in addition to the explosion of food culture on TV. Gordon Ramsay is someone I have no time for because of his style and yelling, but I wouldn't say he's a fake tough guy or trying too hard. He wouldn't be my first choice to work for but you can bet your boots if I did, what he says goes and there's no debate.
Kitchens are never short of drama and politics, much though it seems they should be. Every kitchen is its own private little game of thrones and maybe you'd be surprised at how much shit good managers like manager B gets, and how many sycophants and ne'er do wells suck up to manager A. Anyone can blame the manager but the situation's still the same; you pull together with the army you have. Blaming the manager will only get you so far.
Sara Connor didn't look effortlessly tough to me. She's one of my favorite movie characters of all time but it's not for lack of trying. It's the same issue every time she's brought up; people only remember badass, tooth-pick chewing, guns a blazing Sara Connor from T2. She was a raging bitch in T2, it was one of her best features. One of my favorite scenes of hers in that movie was Dyson confessing to taking the technology too far, being humble, to which she interrupts with 'men like you created the atom bomb, men like you think they're so special...' in front of his wife and inside his home after she shot him, an innocent man who hadn't done anything yet. She tells him he doesn't know what it's like to create life; he has a son! He does know what it's like to create life. She barely has time to coddle and comfort her own son she hasn't seen in years; her first words to him are about being more careful or he'll get himself killed, and that's in response to putting his life on the line to save her. It's a very far cry from the sweetness of her character in The Terminator. She's absolutely a bitch.
Could I imagine Henry Cavill playing Frank Castle? I couldn't even imagine Heath Ledger playing the Joker. I couldn't imagine Jon Bernthal playing Frank Castle (one of my best friends doesn't even he's suited for the role). I definitely did not picture Chris Evans as Captain America, or Robert Downy Jr. as Iron Man. That's not me playing devil's advocate, I'm absolutely serious about imagining who plays what role. I'd read somewhere that Chris Pratt wasn't James Gunn's first choice for Starlord; Jodie Foster, terrific though she is, wasn't the first choice for Silence of the Lambs but Michelle Pfeiffer didn't want it. If this were 1988 right now, I'd look you square in the eye and say seriously, you think Michael Keaton could pull off Batman, are you nuts? Mr. Mom, you think that's Batman material?
I take Captain Marvel seriously. She doesn't suffer fools, I guess, and that's her character. It's a direction I might not have chosen myself, but it is what it is. I didn't vote because I'd never put my name behind an option like fuck the haters, but being on board is an acknowledgment that there's no going back. That's how I see it.
I have a feeling you're not understanding me. Whether you follow someone's orders or not is not the point. The question is what goes on in your mind as you follow them? Because even in the military, some men/women are able to give orders more naturally than others even if they all get followed anyway. Some people just have more gravity to them. Doing actions that qualify you as being a total bitch is not the same thing as being bitchy. Sarah Connor might have done things that would have been considered bitchy, but she herself never looked bitchy in the movie. And no, I had no trouble imagining Jon Bernthal or Chris Evans in their roles when they were announced. And the main difference between Michael Keaton, Heath Ledger and Brie Larson, is that were doubtful about Keaton and Ledger but they proved everyone wrong when they played their roles. People didn't doubt Larson that much for her role when it was announced (the negativity surrounding her was about other things) but people started complaining about her performance AFTER the first trailers popped up and certainly after her movie came out. So they were judging her based on her performance. I understand. I just disagree. Nothing's supposed to go through your mind as you follow orders. Save it for the bar if you have to. Or you leave the job, which is just as valid a form of adaptation as any other, but there's no brownie points for disobeying a manager because you think they don't know what they're doing. You might have a bad manager who doesn't inspire confidence, but if you don't do what they tell you, you're almost certainly a bad employee.
Sara Connor was definitely bitchy, in my opinion. If we don't agree then we don't agree, but she was bitchy to me the whole way through and I loved her for it.
The 'can you imagine people doing it better' is too big a can of worms. I wish it weren't opened. I don't know what media you consume or who you look to for society's feedback but I try and avoid that stuff like the plague, and even I couldn't escape the shit storm that was Brie Larson dragged through the mud before the movie came out.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 14, 2019 20:20:10 GMT
I have a feeling you're not understanding me. Whether you follow someone's orders or not is not the point. The question is what goes on in your mind as you follow them? Because even in the military, some men/women are able to give orders more naturally than others even if they all get followed anyway. Some people just have more gravity to them. Doing actions that qualify you as being a total bitch is not the same thing as being bitchy. Sarah Connor might have done things that would have been considered bitchy, but she herself never looked bitchy in the movie. And no, I had no trouble imagining Jon Bernthal or Chris Evans in their roles when they were announced. And the main difference between Michael Keaton, Heath Ledger and Brie Larson, is that were doubtful about Keaton and Ledger but they proved everyone wrong when they played their roles. People didn't doubt Larson that much for her role when it was announced (the negativity surrounding her was about other things) but people started complaining about her performance AFTER the first trailers popped up and certainly after her movie came out. So they were judging her based on her performance. I understand. I just disagree. Nothing's supposed to go through your mind as you follow orders. Save it for the bar if you have to. Or you leave the job, which is just as valid a form of adaptation as any other, but there's no brownie points for disobeying a manager because you think they don't know what they're doing. You might have a bad manager who doesn't inspire confidence, but if you don't do what they tell you, you're almost certainly a bad employee.
Sara Connor was definitely bitchy, in my opinion. If we don't agree then we don't agree, but she was bitchy to me the whole way through and I loved her for it.
The 'can you imagine people doing it better' is too big a can of worms. I wish it weren't opened. I don't know what media you consume or who you look to for society's feedback but I try and avoid that stuff like the plague, and even I couldn't escape the shit storm that was Brie Larson dragged through the mud before the movie came out.
Nothing goes through your mind as you follow orders? Ok... we definitely disagree here. Whether you obey or not, it doesn't mean you're just mindless zombies incapable of forming thoughts. And the idea that employees aren't allowed to question their manager's decisions sounds like a recipe for disaster. A company grows when people are allowed to vet other's decisions. Obviously you can't always disobey whenever you want to, but procedures and processes are enhanced and perfected by multiple stress tests... which is often accomplished by people simply questioning your procedures. There's obviously a balance here. You can't have people disobeying every single time, but you also don't want a company where no one is allowed to question a manager's word.
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