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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 18:24:47 GMT
Of course I don't think that. Unrealistic is right. Who in the world thinks a manager's performance, etc. doesn't affect the way their staff sees them? Not I. I don't care for that explanation. We're nowhere near that different in our thought processes.
With all due respect, it's my turn to point out that I don't think you're understanding me. You gotta accept that I understand what you're saying as you intend it, and I still disagree. It's not because some ingenious point or metaphor is lost in translation; it's because the sum of our mutual parts tells us differently. I think she sells the role, you do not. It doesn't mean our experience or anything about ourselves outranks what the other has; it just means we enjoy different cups of tea.
In my defense, you were the one who disagreed with my post, and so I tried to explain/defend my thinking. I never disagreed with whether you liked Brie as CM or not. I absolutely respect your personal opinion in that matter. I was simply disagreeing with how you were interpreting my posts. That's true, I did do that. We're totally fine.
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Post by dazz on Jun 15, 2019 18:50:37 GMT
Personally I think the difference is how it comes across to people, using a variation on Skaathar's manager type's idea, Type A to me are those who don't feel natural in that position, they don't deserve the position and just lucked into it and so you don't respect them in that position, Type B do feel natural in that position, they have earned that position through their own merit, so when they speak as a manager you are more inclined to go with what they want because they have your respect.
Within the MCU you could compare Carol Danvers with Steve Rogers, two superhumans gifted with their power in one way shape or form due to a defecting enemy scientist's experiments, a sort of difference is Steve was chosen to receive his power by being the best human being the doctor could find, he wanted to serve not because he wanted to fight but because he felt it was wrong for him to not be sacrificing whilst everyone else around him was, Carol on the other hand actually forces herself into that position, Mar-Vell doesn't want her with her that morning, Carol just insists she go, Mar-Vell didn't intend to give Carol her powers she just happened to get them, Steve after getting his powers only refuses orders to save the lives of captured soldiers when no other help was on the way, Carol disobeys orders when she knows help is on the way because she wants to know the truth about what happened to her, Cap then fights against an enemy that is his equal, he doesn't have an unfair advantage he's not superior to Skull physically in any way, he's also not impervious to anything, he's tougher than normal but he's still human, Carol is turbo OP, she's stronger than everyone else combined, she's impervious to damage, she can crash land on earth from space without a ship and walk away without a scratch and that's before she gets her super turbo boosters either.
Steve is Cap because he proved himself the best for the position, he earned it, Carol is Marvel because she just happened to be there, and they do a poor job of showing us why her just being there should be enough, if they spent more time showing us Carol earning he place in the air force, like honesty what they showed us makes it seem less believable imo, whats the one thing we see? her on the ropes, and even then she's not crushing it, which surely should be the point right? 80's USAF wouldn't a women need to be head and shoulders above everyone else just to be seen as an equal?
Carol in the movie appears as more an A type, which in itself isn't an issue really, that's a cool story to tell, the story being here is this A type who turns into the B type, and she does this by not being who she was before the mind fuck or who she was because of it but by merging who she was with who she is to become who she is meant to be, but the movie instead just tells us she's a B type.
Just my two pence. I had a hunch Captain America was manager B. He's my ideal manager because he's polite and can throw down hard. He's like the perfect fusion of might makes right and a soft touch. Everyone he touches with his leadership and lead by example style becomes better. I had a feeling his leadership was the best thing that happened to Wanda.
It remains to be seen if Carol is like that at all because she can go places and do things she can't lead anybody else into unless their powers are equal to or greater than her own. It must be lonely. I've known people like that too. I know it's not your argument, but as someone who punches himself out in the kitchen for years on end, missing parties (including my own birthday, today, which I'm working later), missing holidays, missing Sunday nights on the couch watching Game of Thrones with the rest of society, some people aren't built for lightening up.
I liked her, but if we're at all venturing into the territory of who's more worthy, rest assured there is only one of them that can lift Thor's hammer, and it's Steve.
I was just talking about how the movies portray them, I don't dislike Carol myself, that's the thing they didn't give me anything to really judge her by, outside of her having no respect for peoples things I guess, such as stealing the clothes, stealing the guys bile and wrecking the poor dudes jukebox .
I was more talking about what we are shown in the films, with Steve we see him be the weakling with the heart of a lion who proves his smarts and courage all before he becomes Cap, then in the movie he's a dutiful soldier except when that meant leaving men in enemies hands, Carol we don't get that, we just see her being taunted by dickheads going "naahaa you're a girl ", but we don't really see her overcome this, we just see that she has somehow, which disconnects you from her accomplishments a bit, you know it's the show don't tell thing.
An easy show not tell thing would be let Carol be the one commanding the Kree except for Jude Law, she's his 2nd in command and the others listen, not just because Law's character says so but because she's earned it, and she behaves as such in the movie, instead when in this elite group with others seemingly at the same tier and she's not really shown like that, another thing could be when we see what happened with Mar-Vell instead of it being a super secret thing with just the two of them have 2 other fighters fly with them, they are Skrulls in disguise obviously but then the Kree attack and the two other fighters get taken out despite fancy flying which Carol remarks on maybe even the Kree establishing these boys have skills, but then Carol survives, she takes out a 2nd Kree ship which took out the other fighters but then a bigger Kree ship attacks piloted by Law and despite Carol's fancy loop the loop he can fire backwards as we see and that's how she is taken down, establishing visually to us Carol is a hell of a pilot which is a skill she earned and honed herself, yet isn't something she's been recognised for.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 16, 2019 1:31:38 GMT
I was just talking about how the movies portray them, I don't dislike Carol myself, that's the thing they didn't give me anything to really judge her by, outside of her having no respect for peoples things I guess, such as stealing the clothes, stealing the guys bile and wrecking the poor dudes jukebox .
Stealing someone's bile is really going too far But seriously, remember she was still a Kree soldier when she did those things. I'm guessing Kree rules of engagement allow you to do pretty much anything to get the job done.
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Post by merh on Jun 16, 2019 2:36:49 GMT
Yet we see news reports of people who get harassed. #metoo? There was a thing recently...Buffalo Wild Wings where a guy was harassed & finally sued? I had a nasty supervisor once. Yes, my point exactly. You see your manager doing something you believe is wrong (i.e. harrassment), do you simply "obey" with what your manager wants or do you do something about it? It depends on the work environment. I rode it out until she retired. Most of the people who worked for her hated her.
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