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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2019 15:48:25 GMT
In Infinity War, Strange claimed that he saw 14 million possible scenarios and there was only 1 winning scenario (which I've already proven false in another thread). But even Strange's so-called "winning" scenario, which involves giving Thanos the time stone so Thanos wouldn't kill Tony Stark so Tony Stark can take the gauntlet off past Thanos' hand in 2023 is a flawed and losing scenario because Thanos should still win.
In Endgame, past Thanos found out about the Avengers' plan to travel back in time to retrieve the stones because past Nebula has all of 2023 Nebula's memories. Since 2023 Nebula saw Iron Man take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand and snap Thanos out of existence in 2023, that means past Thanos would've already known that in the past. So instead of traveling to 2023, past Thanos would've traveled to 2018 and just killed Tony Stark right after Strange gave the time stone to 2018 Thanos. Then Tony Stark would've have been alive in 2023 to take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand.
So as long as 2023 Nebula is alive, then Strange's so-called "winning" scenario actually has no chance at all of winning because past Thanos would know everything that happens in 2023 since past Nebula has all of 2023 Nebula's memories. Strange's scenario would only work if the Avengers had killed 2023 Nebula before Tony Stark took the gauntlet off Thanos' hand in 2023.
Just another example of bad writing and huge plotholes in MCU movies.
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Post by gljbradley on Jun 16, 2019 16:33:41 GMT
Excellent points.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 16, 2019 16:36:20 GMT
Extra! Extra! Read all about it!
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Post by sostie on Jun 16, 2019 16:55:36 GMT
In Infinity War, Strange claimed that he saw 14 million possible scenarios and there was only 1 winning scenario (which I've already proven false in another thread). But even Strange's so-called "winning" scenario, which involves giving Thanos the time stone so Thanos wouldn't kill Tony Stark so Tony Stark can take the gauntlet off past Thanos' hand in 2023 is a flawed and losing scenario because Thanos should still win. In Endgame, past Thanos found out about the Avengers' plan to travel back in time to retrieve the stones because past Nebula has all of 2023 Nebula's memories. Since 2023 Nebula saw Iron Man take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand and snap Thanos out of existence in 2023, that means past Thanos would've already known that in the past. So instead of traveling to 2023, past Thanos would've traveled to 2018 and just killed Tony Stark right after Strange gave the time stone to 2018 Thanos. Then Tony Stark would've have been alive in 2023 to take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand. So as long as 2023 Nebula is alive, then Strange's so-called "winning" scenario actually has no chance at all of winning because past Thanos would know everything that happens in 2023 since past Nebula has all of 2023 Nebula's memories. Strange's scenario would only work if the Avengers had killed 2023 Nebula before Tony Stark took the gauntlet off Thanos' hand in 2023. Just another example of bad writing and huge plotholes in MCU movies. It's amazing how often you think what you have to say is so insightful and interesting that you have to repeat thethread in two boards That's funny, the thread I read had you constantly being debunked and your comprehension of what was going on being laughable Still duplicating these threads does give the opportunity for anyone to address you as a "twat" etc without any strikes from the CBM Mods..so thanks for that
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2019 17:06:02 GMT
In Infinity War, Strange claimed that he saw 14 million possible scenarios and there was only 1 winning scenario (which I've already proven false in another thread). But even Strange's so-called "winning" scenario, which involves giving Thanos the time stone so Thanos wouldn't kill Tony Stark so Tony Stark can take the gauntlet off past Thanos' hand in 2023 is a flawed and losing scenario because Thanos should still win. In Endgame, past Thanos found out about the Avengers' plan to travel back in time to retrieve the stones because past Nebula has all of 2023 Nebula's memories. Since 2023 Nebula saw Iron Man take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand and snap Thanos out of existence in 2023, that means past Thanos would've already known that in the past. So instead of traveling to 2023, past Thanos would've traveled to 2018 and just killed Tony Stark right after Strange gave the time stone to 2018 Thanos. Then Tony Stark would've have been alive in 2023 to take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand. So as long as 2023 Nebula is alive, then Strange's so-called "winning" scenario actually has no chance at all of winning because past Thanos would know everything that happens in 2023 since past Nebula has all of 2023 Nebula's memories. Strange's scenario would only work if the Avengers had killed 2023 Nebula before Tony Stark took the gauntlet off Thanos' hand in 2023. Just another example of bad writing and huge plotholes in MCU movies. It's amazing how often you think what you have to say is so insightful and interesting that you have to repeat thethread in two boards That's funny, the thread I read had you constantly being debunked and your comprehension of what was going on being laughable Still duplicating these threads does give the opportunity for anyone to address you as a "twat" etc without any strikes from the CBM Mods..so thanks for that It's not a duplicate thread. The other thread was about Strange's claim that was the only "winning" scenario being false since we know from Endgame that Thanos can be killed by chopping off his head with the axe so another winning scenario would be simply for Thor to chop off Thanos' head in Infinity War before Thanos can snap his fingers. And so far, no one has debunked that. This thread is about Strange's so-called "winning" scenario not being a winning scenario at all but actually a losing scenario because past Thanos knows what happens in 2023 since past Nebula has all of 2023 Nebula's memories. And you weren't able to debunk this either in your response.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 16, 2019 18:46:57 GMT
I'll get back to you when I give a shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 18:52:55 GMT
It's amazing how often you think what you have to say is so insightful and interesting that you have to repeat thethread in two boards That's funny, the thread I read had you constantly being debunked and your comprehension of what was going on being laughable Still duplicating these threads does give the opportunity for anyone to address you as a "twat" etc without any strikes from the CBM Mods..so thanks for that It's not a duplicate thread. The other thread was about Strange's claim that was the only "winning" scenario being false since we know from Endgame that Thanos can be killed by chopping off his head with the axe so another winning scenario would be simply for Thor to chop off Thanos' head in Infinity War before Thanos can snap his fingers. And so far, no one has debunked that. This thread is about Strange's so-called "winning" scenario not being a winning scenario at all but actually a losing scenario because past Thanos knows what happens in 2023 since past Nebula has all of 2023 Nebula's memories. And you weren't able to debunk this either in your response. Yeah but for all you know, a handful of Doctor Strange's visions saw Thor arriving in Wakanda too late, or maybe being killed by the star while trying to forge Stormbreaker. Thanos can be killed by having his head chopped off, but that doesn't mean it happened in any of the possible futures Doctor Strange looked at.
Doctor Strange no choice but to assume all is going according to the one vision he saw during his death. When the odds are so small of completing the mission, the tiniest hangup could throw the plan into chaos. Nebula and War Machine took the assignment that allowed for Nebula to be captured by Thanos and her past self. None of that would have happened if Thor and Rocket took their assignment, for example, and Nebula and War Machine went to Asgard instead.
The 1 in 14 million scenarios Doctor Strange saw where they won is what happened in the movie, so it was the only winning scenario, and anything could have gone wrong right up until Iron Man did the snap.
The thing with Thanos is he was right about being inevitable, which is why Thor axed him when he had the chance. He coudn't stand the fact that Thanos won on his own terms, destroyed the stones because of the temptation to use them, and is the hero of his own story. Thanos was inevitable, but that's not the end of it.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jun 16, 2019 18:55:30 GMT
It's amazing how often you think what you have to say is so insightful and interesting that you have to repeat thethread in two boards That's funny, the thread I read had you constantly being debunked and your comprehension of what was going on being laughable Still duplicating these threads does give the opportunity for anyone to address you as a "twat" etc without any strikes from the CBM Mods..so thanks for that It's not a duplicate thread. The other thread was about Strange's claim that was the only "winning" scenario being false since we know from Endgame that Thanos can be killed by chopping off his head with the axe so another winning scenario would be simply for Thor to chop off Thanos' head in Infinity War before Thanos can snap his fingers. And so far, no one has debunked that. This thread is about Strange's so-called "winning" scenario not being a winning scenario at all but actually a losing scenario because past Thanos knows what happens in 2023 since past Nebula has all of 2023 Nebula's memories. And you weren't able to debunk this either in your response.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jun 16, 2019 19:00:33 GMT
(Please read this in the voice of the current U.S. president)
"Oh yeah?! Well, your face is flawed!"
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Post by poutinep on Jun 16, 2019 19:03:45 GMT
This thread is about Strange's so-called "winning" scenario not being a winning scenario at all but actually a losing scenario because past Thanos knows what happens in 2023 since past Nebula has all of 2023 Nebula's memories. And you weren't able to debunk this either in your response. Several people debunked it. Strange can only see alternates futures that he can set into motion after seeing them.
He can't affect the actions of anyone he can't communicate with - so he can't tell Thor to go for the head (assuming he'd listen). When past Thanos became aware of the Avengers' plans through Nebula, she had yet to see Tony's snap, so Thanos had no way to become aware that it was Tony who would defeat him or that it would be that way.
jesus did you even see the movie? Tony did not take the gauntlet from Thanos. He took the stones out of Thanos' gauntlet and put them in his own suit's glove.
You're a loser. All your posts here and you haven't convinced anyone of any of your points. Get a life.
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Post by sostie on Jun 16, 2019 19:10:46 GMT
To use his favourite phrase..."DC-Fan just got owned"
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2019 19:17:14 GMT
It's not a duplicate thread. The other thread was about Strange's claim that was the only "winning" scenario being false since we know from Endgame that Thanos can be killed by chopping off his head with the axe so another winning scenario would be simply for Thor to chop off Thanos' head in Infinity War before Thanos can snap his fingers. And so far, no one has debunked that. This thread is about Strange's so-called "winning" scenario not being a winning scenario at all but actually a losing scenario because past Thanos knows what happens in 2023 since past Nebula has all of 2023 Nebula's memories. And you weren't able to debunk this either in your response. Yeah but for all you know, a handful of Doctor Strange's visions saw Thor arriving in Wakanda too late, or maybe being killed by the star while trying to forge Stormbreaker. Thanos can be killed by having his head chopped off, but that doesn't mean it happened in any of the possible futures Doctor Strange looked at.
You've said that the scenario's were hypothetical possible scenarios, not actual scenarios. So in 14 million hypothetical possible scenarios, Strange didn't once consider the simple solution of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head with the axe? Instead, Strange considered a more convoluted solution that depended on many random and independent variables (such as a random mouse being in the right place 5 years in the future to step on just the right buttons on the machine AND past Thanos being able to figure out the Avengers' plan to retrieve the stones AND past Thanos traveling to 2023 with his entire army rather than traveling to 2018 and simply killing Tony Stark in 2018? That's just really lazy and contrived and awful writing!
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2019 19:22:59 GMT
Strange can only see alternates futures that he can set into motion after seeing them. He can't affect the actions of anyone he can't communicate with - so he can't tell Thor to go for the head (assuming he'd listen). So you're saying that Strange communicated with the random mouse and told the random mouse exactly where to be in 5 years and which buttons on the machine to step on in 5 years? How the fuck did Strange even know that random mouse would even be alive in 5 years? That random mouse could've been eaten by a snake before the 5 years. And you're saying that Strange communicated with past Thanos and told past Thanos to use Nebula to figure out the Avengers' plan to retrieve the stones? And you're saying that Strange communicated with past Thanos and told past Thanos to travel to 2023 with his entire army and not travel to 2018 to kill Tony Stark in 2018? Like I said, your excuses are just pure BS. It was just really lazy and contrived and awful writing in Infinity War and Endgame. When past Thanos became aware of the Avengers' plans through Nebula, she had yet to see Tony's snap, so Thanos had no way to become aware that it was Tony who would defeat him or that it would be that way. You've just proven from your ignorant statement that you don't understand time travel at all. Like I said, the time travel makes no sense at all in Endgame.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 19:23:30 GMT
Yeah but for all you know, a handful of Doctor Strange's visions saw Thor arriving in Wakanda too late, or maybe being killed by the star while trying to forge Stormbreaker. Thanos can be killed by having his head chopped off, but that doesn't mean it happened in any of the possible futures Doctor Strange looked at.
So in 14 million hypothetical possible scenarios, Strange didn't once consider the simple solution of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head with the axe? I'm sure everyone, including Strange, would have loved it if it were as simple as walking up to Thanos and chopping off his head. Unfortunately, it's not how it played out in any of the visions he saw. There was only one path to victory.
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Post by poutinep on Jun 16, 2019 19:30:51 GMT
So you're saying that Strange communicated with the random mouse and told the random mouse exactly where to be in 5 years and which buttons on the machine to step on in 5 years? The mouse activating the quantum tunnel was a default action. How the fuck did Strange even know that random mouse would even be alive in 5 years? That random mouse could've been eaten by a snake before the 5 years. It was part of one winning scenario he saw. And you're saying that Strange communicated with past Thanos and told past Thanos to use Nebula to figure out the Avengers' plan to retrieve the stones? And you're saying that Strange communicated with past Thanos and told past Thanos to travel to 2023 with his entire army and not travel to 2018 to kill Tony Stark in 2018? Default. Anything that happens without someone seeing the future and taking measures to change it is default. Like I said, your excuses are just pure BS. It was just really lazy and contrived and awful writing in Infinity War and Endgame. You've just proven from your ignorant statement that you don't understand time travel at all. Like I said, the time travel makes no sense at all in Endgame. Whatever you say, loser.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2019 19:35:17 GMT
So in 14 million hypothetical possible scenarios, Strange didn't once consider the simple solution of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head with the axe? I'm sure everyone, including Strange, would have loved it if it were as simple as walking up to Thanos and chopping off his head. Unfortunately, it's not how it played out in any of the visions he saw. There was only one path to victory. You still don't seem to get it. You're thinking that there was only 1 path to victory because Strange claimed that there was only 1 path to victory (which has been shown to be a lie). But if those were hypothetical possible scenarios and not actual scenarios, then how does Strange know which hypothetical possible scenarios are winning scenarios and which are losing scenarios? He DOESN"T KNOW. Because they're all hypothetical possible scenarios and not actual scenarios so none of those scenarios have actually happened and therefore there's no way for Strange to know for sure which scenarios are winning scenarios and which are losing scenarios. All Strange can do is take a guess. So my question is why did Strange choose such a convoluted scenario that depended on many random and independent variables instead of the simple solution of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head? And more importantly, why did Strange lie about there being only 1 possible winning scenario when Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head is clearly a possible winning scenario?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 19:42:16 GMT
I'm sure everyone, including Strange, would have loved it if it were as simple as walking up to Thanos and chopping off his head. Unfortunately, it's not how it played out in any of the visions he saw. There was only one path to victory. But if those were hypothetical possible scenarios and not actual scenarios, then how does Strange know which hypothetical possible scenarios are winning scenarios and which are losing scenarios? Because he looked.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2019 19:49:14 GMT
But if those were hypothetical possible scenarios and not actual scenarios, then how does Strange know which hypothetical possible scenarios are winning scenarios and which are losing scenarios? Because he looked. If he looked, then he would see that Thor chopping off Thanos' head is a winning scenario. So why did he lie about there being only 1 winning scenario when Thor chopping off Thanos' head is clearly a winning scenario. More importantly, why did he claim Iron Man taking the stones away from Thanos is the only winning scenario when it's actually a losing scenario because past Thanos can see everything that happens in 2023 since past Nebula has all of 2023 Nebula's memories so past Thanos can travel to 2018 and kill Tony Stark in 2018? Like I said, the writing in Endgame is really lazy and contrived and awful.
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Post by poutinep on Jun 16, 2019 19:51:20 GMT
I'm sure everyone, including Strange, would have loved it if it were as simple as walking up to Thanos and chopping off his head. Unfortunately, it's not how it played out in any of the visions he saw. There was only one path to victory. So my question is why did Strange choose such a convoluted scenario that depended on many random and independent variables instead of the simple solution of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head? because that was the only scenario he could make happen that he considered winning.
He couldn't tell Thor to chop of Thanos' head before the snap. If he could have, he would have. But that scenario wasn't an option, so it didn't exist, so Strange couldn't have made it happen.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2019 19:54:32 GMT
So my question is why did Strange choose such a convoluted scenario that depended on many random and independent variables instead of the simple solution of Thor simply chopping off Thanos' head? because that was the only scenario he could make happen that he considered winning.
He couldn't tell Thor to chop of Thanos' head before the snap. If he could have, he would have. But that scenario wasn't an option, so it didn't exist, so Strange couldn't have made it happen.
So you're saying that Strange could make the random mouse be at the right place 5 years in the future and make the random mouse step on just the right buttons on the machine 5 years in the future? And you're saying that Strange could make past Thanos use Nebula to figure out the Avengers' plan to travel to the past to retrieve the stones? And you're saying that Strange could make past Thanos travel to 2023 with his entire army rather than simply traveling to 2018 and killing Tony Stark in 2018? Like I said, the writing in Endgame is really lazy and contrived and awful.
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