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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 24, 2019 19:44:08 GMT
Now, I knew that Stan the man Lee was always a bit self serving and ready to take credit for things that he shouldn't, but I had no idea the extent he went. This article shows us just how much deeper the rabbit hole goes... I knew some of this. Some I didn't. For me... it casts things in a new light...
Please read, and then... thoughts?
thepatronsaintofsuperheroes.wordpress.com/tag/wright-lincoln/
From the article:
Lee wasn’t struck by a God-sent bolt of originality when he dreamed it (Thor) up. He stole the idea from Pierce Rice and Wright Lincoln. Their 1940 “Thor, God of Thunder” wears a cape and carries a hammer that boomerangs back to him when he throws it. He looks down at Earth and declares: “I will invest an ordinary mortal with my great power.”
Stan Lee stole most of his superpowers from his elders.
Imitating DC’s Silver Age reboots of Flash and Green Lantern, Lee kept the original Human Torch’s name and powers while penning him a new identity and origin. As far as the rest of the Fantastic Four: mr. Fantastic was a standard (Jack Cole’s Plastic Man, Klaus Nordling’s Thin Man, plus John Broome and Carmine Infantino’s Elongated Man created the year before). Invisibility was the ur-power of Golden Age superheroines (Russell Stamm’s Scarlet O’Neil,Will Eisner and Jerry Iger’s Phantom Lady). The Thing, like the instant knock-off Hulk, was a Godzilla-era Frankenstein of the kind populating monster movies and comics throughout the fifties.
The rest of Lee’s Asgard was no more original:
Spider-Man lifted his name from Norvell Page’s pulp hero The Spider, and Daredevil from Jack Binder’s Daredevil. Lee didn’t have to leave the Marvel archives to find George Kapitan and Harry Sahle’s Black Widow. The first comic book Iron Man was Quality Comics’s Bozo the Iron Man. Cyclops’s eye ray and visor belong to Jack Cole’s Comet. There was even a 1941 Black Panther. (The X-Men may bear an uncanny resemblance to DC’s Doom Patrol, but that’s a different kind of theft.)
Most of these characters are comic book footnotes, evidence of how thoroughly Lee and his Silver Age offspring defeated their Golden Age parents (predecessors).
WOW.
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Post by hobowar on Jun 24, 2019 20:06:12 GMT
Leaving Marvel documentary in 3... 2... 1...
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 24, 2019 20:32:11 GMT
I thought this was going to be about the controversy regarding whether or not Lee screwed over Kirby and Ditko, but this is kind of silly.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 24, 2019 20:41:15 GMT
I didn't know Thor had a Golden Age counterpart but I suppose it's not surprising (even Ka-zar did).
Spider-man seemed to be the real innovative Marvel character so no surprise he became their flagship property.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 24, 2019 20:51:22 GMT
Blasphemy!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 24, 2019 21:00:34 GMT
I thought this was going to be about the controversy regarding whether or not Lee screwed over Kirby and Ditko, but this is kind of silly. The “article” does touch on the litigious nature of the Kirby/Lee/Marvel relationship. If I'm not mistaken, Marvel and the Kirby estate settled back in 2014 (for a rumored nine-figures sum).
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Post by sostie on Jun 24, 2019 23:40:32 GMT
Now, I knew that Stan the man Lee was always a bit self serving and ready to take credit for things that he shouldn't, but I had no idea the extent he went. This article shows us just how much deeper the rabbit hole goes... I knew some of this. Some I didn't. For me... it casts things in a new light...
I actually wasn't aware of the earlier Thor, but even so, a lot of what you've quoted seems pretty superficial and clutcing at straws (even Thor). He seems to know for sure that Lee stole the idea from a little seen, poorly distributed comic with a very brief run,rtaher than the more well known legend of Thor which Marvel's character is closer to. That Marvel Thor co-creator was a huge fan of Norse myth isn't relevant I guess. The earlier Thor is a man who is struck by lightning and gets powers...Marvel's an actual God. No it doesn't. From the pages published online he throws a hammer, yes. It seems to just appear in his hand a few panels later Re-booting one of their own characters is something to criticise Lee for? So DC may have done it before. So what. I'm sure there are many characters in both stables tat had the same treatment. Interestingly DC also rebooted Aquaman before Torch was....and in the process stole Aquaman's new origin from Namor! So Mr Fantastic was not an original idea! He then namechecks DC's Plastic Man and Elongated Man. Both of which came after Marvel's Thin Man And has been in the public consciousness since HG Well's novel and the films that followed. So they followed a common characteristic in popular culture. Is that really worth including in a piece that is trying to imply Lee is a thief! Wow half his name is "Spider"..really clutching at straws here. Apart from that...Peter Parker ..an average teen bitten by a radioactive spider who gains spider like abilities and fights crime in a red & blue outfit swinging through the streets on a thread....The Spider...a vigilante playboy millionaire who dresses in an imposing caped black outfit, who has a trusty elderly butler and police commissioner as an ally...seems another character creator may need to be criticised before Lee is. Sharing a name with a long forgotten character. No big deal It seems it's OK fro DC to reboot/change one of their characters but not Marvel Another name share. The character was a robot. Which hardly anyone remembered. Again, just a name share Two comics published months apart, that share the same amount of similarities to each other that Doom Patrol does to the earlier Fantastic 4 I've not read the rest of the guys blog (this is from nearly a decade ago, with no likes and one comment in that time, how did you find this?) but it seems he might have it in for Lee...thinks he's found something revelatory and then just pads it out with poor assumptions/accusations
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Post by raiderjedi on Jun 25, 2019 2:29:26 GMT
The whole article is bunk.
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Post by merh on Jun 25, 2019 15:25:24 GMT
Oh my god.
You mean Thor isn't taken from the Norse gods my ancestors worshipped before America even fricken existed?
They somehow saw into the future & saw that obscure 1940s comic & based their god on it?
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Post by kuatorises on Jun 25, 2019 15:33:24 GMT
Says the word article, post a link to a WordPress blog.Come one, bro.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 25, 2019 16:26:17 GMT
Who in the blue hell is Wright Lincoln?
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Post by dazz on Jun 25, 2019 17:46:32 GMT
That "article" is so fucking stupid it's hilarious.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 25, 2019 18:33:14 GMT
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Post by dirtypillows on Jun 25, 2019 19:37:38 GMT
Now, I knew that Stan the man Lee was always a bit self serving and ready to take credit for things that he shouldn't, but I had no idea the extent he went. This article shows us just how much deeper the rabbit hole goes... I knew some of this. Some I didn't. For me... it casts things in a new light...
Please read, and then... thoughts?
thepatronsaintofsuperheroes.wordpress.com/tag/wright-lincoln/
From the article:
Lee wasn’t struck by a God-sent bolt of originality when he dreamed it (Thor) up. He stole the idea from Pierce Rice and Wright Lincoln. Their 1940 “Thor, God of Thunder” wears a cape and carries a hammer that boomerangs back to him when he throws it. He looks down at Earth and declares: “I will invest an ordinary mortal with my great power.”
Stan Lee stole most of his superpowers from his elders.
Imitating DC’s Silver Age reboots of Flash and Green Lantern, Lee kept the original Human Torch’s name and powers while penning him a new identity and origin. As far as the rest of the Fantastic Four: mr. Fantastic was a standard (Jack Cole’s Plastic Man, Klaus Nordling’s Thin Man, plus John Broome and Carmine Infantino’s Elongated Man created the year before). Invisibility was the ur-power of Golden Age superheroines (Russell Stamm’s Scarlet O’Neil,Will Eisner and Jerry Iger’s Phantom Lady). The Thing, like the instant knock-off Hulk, was a Godzilla-era Frankenstein of the kind populating monster movies and comics throughout the fifties.
The rest of Lee’s Asgard was no more original:
Spider-Man lifted his name from Norvell Page’s pulp hero The Spider, and Daredevil from Jack Binder’s Daredevil. Lee didn’t have to leave the Marvel archives to find George Kapitan and Harry Sahle’s Black Widow. The first comic book Iron Man was Quality Comics’s Bozo the Iron Man. Cyclops’s eye ray and visor belong to Jack Cole’s Comet. There was even a 1941 Black Panther. (The X-Men may bear an uncanny resemblance to DC’s Doom Patrol, but that’s a different kind of theft.)
Most of these characters are comic book footnotes, evidence of how thoroughly Lee and his Silver Age offspring defeated their Golden Age parents (predecessors).
WOW.
There is some definite homosexual subtext being presented here. One look at those hamstrings...
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jun 25, 2019 19:57:07 GMT
Why in the blue hell are his legs backwards?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jun 25, 2019 19:57:45 GMT
Now, I knew that Stan the man Lee was always a bit self serving and ready to take credit for things that he shouldn't, but I had no idea the extent he went. This article shows us just how much deeper the rabbit hole goes... I knew some of this. Some I didn't. For me... it casts things in a new light...
Please read, and then... thoughts?
thepatronsaintofsuperheroes.wordpress.com/tag/wright-lincoln/
From the article:
Lee wasn’t struck by a God-sent bolt of originality when he dreamed it (Thor) up. He stole the idea from Pierce Rice and Wright Lincoln. Their 1940 “Thor, God of Thunder” wears a cape and carries a hammer that boomerangs back to him when he throws it. He looks down at Earth and declares: “I will invest an ordinary mortal with my great power.”
Stan Lee stole most of his superpowers from his elders.
Imitating DC’s Silver Age reboots of Flash and Green Lantern, Lee kept the original Human Torch’s name and powers while penning him a new identity and origin. As far as the rest of the Fantastic Four: mr. Fantastic was a standard (Jack Cole’s Plastic Man, Klaus Nordling’s Thin Man, plus John Broome and Carmine Infantino’s Elongated Man created the year before). Invisibility was the ur-power of Golden Age superheroines (Russell Stamm’s Scarlet O’Neil,Will Eisner and Jerry Iger’s Phantom Lady). The Thing, like the instant knock-off Hulk, was a Godzilla-era Frankenstein of the kind populating monster movies and comics throughout the fifties.
The rest of Lee’s Asgard was no more original:
Spider-Man lifted his name from Norvell Page’s pulp hero The Spider, and Daredevil from Jack Binder’s Daredevil. Lee didn’t have to leave the Marvel archives to find George Kapitan and Harry Sahle’s Black Widow. The first comic book Iron Man was Quality Comics’s Bozo the Iron Man. Cyclops’s eye ray and visor belong to Jack Cole’s Comet. There was even a 1941 Black Panther. (The X-Men may bear an uncanny resemblance to DC’s Doom Patrol, but that’s a different kind of theft.)
Most of these characters are comic book footnotes, evidence of how thoroughly Lee and his Silver Age offspring defeated their Golden Age parents (predecessors).
WOW.
There is some definite homosexual subtext being presented here. One look at those hamstrings... Wow. Someone missed the whole point altogether.
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Post by dirtypillows on Jun 25, 2019 20:05:15 GMT
There is some definite homosexual subtext being presented here. One look at those hamstrings... Wow. Someone missed the whole point altogether. I didn't miss the point. I just thought my point was more interesting. I love subtext.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jun 26, 2019 0:25:21 GMT
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Post by sostie on Jun 26, 2019 8:16:45 GMT
Why should they in the case of Plastic Man....Timely/Marvel's Thin Man was published over a year before Plastic Man.
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Post by kuatorises on Jun 28, 2019 12:44:51 GMT
Wow. Someone missed the whole point altogether. I didn't miss the point. I just thought my point was more interesting. I love subtext. Subtext? More like projection. You are gross and a dramaqueen. You always " go there". Shut it off once in a while and keep your dick in your pants.
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