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Post by blade on Feb 28, 2017 19:55:14 GMT
Marriage is between a man and woman. Actually it isn't. Plenty of guys marry guys, and girls marry girls. Not a big student of history, I take it? Calling it marriage doesn't make it marriage.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Feb 28, 2017 19:55:53 GMT
Marriage is between a man and woman. That's what marriage has always meant. The failure of our education system. ![](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/imdbv2/imdbsmileys/no.gif)
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Post by vernuf on Feb 28, 2017 19:56:06 GMT
Not a big student, I take it? Pretty sure that's all you need to ask of him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 20:00:12 GMT
Actually it isn't. Plenty of guys marry guys, and girls marry girls. Not a big student of history, I take it? Calling it marriage doesn't make it marriage. Actually it does, when it's the state doing the calling.
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Post by blade on Feb 28, 2017 20:02:38 GMT
Calling it marriage doesn't make it marriage. Actually it does, when it's the state doing the calling.Yes and you knew exactly what I meant.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Feb 28, 2017 20:10:13 GMT
Calling it marriage doesn't make it marriage. Actually it does, when it's the state doing the calling. Well, the state, the culture, the society.... historically, marriage has held several forms and functions, some not in any way related to government recognition. Stephanie Coontz wrote a great book on marriage throughout different cultures and eras, which I'd recommend in general but not... well, you know... Blade.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 20:10:29 GMT
I have a terrible character flaw; I almost always assume a person means exactly what they say.
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Post by blade on Feb 28, 2017 20:13:08 GMT
I have a terrible character flaw; I almost always assume a person means exactly what they say. Actually it does, when it's the state doing the calling.
Right, that's why you worded it just like that.
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Post by jillmcbain on Feb 28, 2017 20:28:50 GMT
Marriage is between a man and woman. That's what marriage has always meant. Change is scary. Precisely. At the risk of being too simplistic here, I am under the impression that the same people who oppose gay marriage are the same who oppose especially Muslim immigration, arguing Muslims are not liberal, not 'Western' enough. And let's think about it again: How would we, especially the conservatives, react, if gays tried to impose their lifestyles on us? Right. And yet, we do it with them all the time' because it's right because it has always been this way'. Why is it thus impossible to put oneself in the other one's shoes?
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Post by Cinemachinery on Feb 28, 2017 21:11:50 GMT
Precisely. At the risk of being too simplistic here, I am under the impression that the same people who oppose gay marriage are the same who oppose especially Muslim immigration, arguing Muslims are not liberal, not 'Western' enough. And let's think about it again: How would we, especially the conservatives, react, if gays tried to impose their lifestyles on us? Right. And yet, we do it with them all the time' because it's right because it has always been this way'. Why is it thus impossible to put oneself in the other one's shoes? There are actually at least two posters here who have, in the past, expressed the stated belief that gays *are* trying to "impose their lifestyle on us". In addition, apparently, to adopting simply to convert, trying to convert school kids, etc. There's apparently a whole conversion industry behind the scenes of your nearest boy's town.
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Post by jillmcbain on Feb 28, 2017 21:29:46 GMT
Precisely. At the risk of being too simplistic here, I am under the impression that the same people who oppose gay marriage are the same who oppose especially Muslim immigration, arguing Muslims are not liberal, not 'Western' enough. And let's think about it again: How would we, especially the conservatives, react, if gays tried to impose their lifestyles on us? Right. And yet, we do it with them all the time' because it's right because it has always been this way'. Why is it thus impossible to put oneself in the other one's shoes? There are actually at least two posters here who have, in the past, expressed the stated belief that gays *are* trying to "impose their lifestyle on us". In addition, apparently, to adopting simply to convert, trying to convert school kids, etc. There's apparently a whole conversion industry behind the scenes of your nearest boy's town. Then I suggest they use that conversion industry themselves and get themselves converted to becoming gay. They can then tell us how much they liked that.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Feb 28, 2017 21:34:43 GMT
Bullshit. Then why be against gay marriage? How does it negatively effect anyone? The reason has always been that it goes against Leviticus. Don't play dumb. Explain the centers --now exposed and illegal -- that promised (wholly unsuccessfully)to pray the gay away?" Why did our current veep think that religious re-education was the route to stamp out homosexuality? Why was religion one of the arguments before SCOTUS? Churches are are not forced to marry gay people. You do not have to marry someone against your will. This is a dead issue anyway. SCOTUS has ruled and it is the law of the land, full stop. It's a biblical aversion that doesn't meld with our Constitution. It's also the overwhelming losing side of this issue. Move on. First you are assuming that everyone here is American. Your veep and your Scotus is irrelevant to me. Second you assume that Leviticus has something to do with it. Are you unaware that the New Testament also condemns homosexuality? Personally I don't care if homosexuals get married. But others do. Lol, Aduh claiming she doesn't care if homosexuals get married or not. Pathetic lie.
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Post by fangirl1975 on Feb 28, 2017 21:52:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 22:24:51 GMT
I have a terrible character flaw; I almost always assume a person means exactly what they say. Actually it does, when it's the state doing the calling.
Right, that's why you worded it just like that.
I wrote it like that because that's what I meant. You appear to think there's some subtext going on here, but if so then I'm oblivious to it.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Feb 28, 2017 22:25:47 GMT
There are actually at least two posters here who have, in the past, expressed the stated belief that gays *are* trying to "impose their lifestyle on us". In addition, apparently, to adopting simply to convert, trying to convert school kids, etc. There's apparently a whole conversion industry behind the scenes of your nearest boy's town. Then I suggest they use that conversion industry themselves and get themselves converted to becoming gay. They can then tell us how much they liked that. Funnily enough, insisting one can be converted is sort of interesting comment on the one doing the insisting.
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Post by DairyHeiress on Feb 28, 2017 22:44:08 GMT
Precisely. At the risk of being too simplistic here, I am under the impression that the same people who oppose gay marriage are the same who oppose especially Muslim immigration, arguing Muslims are not liberal, not 'Western' enough. And let's think about it again: How would we, especially the conservatives, react, if gays tried to impose their lifestyles on us? Right. And yet, we do it with them all the time' because it's right because it has always been this way'. Why is it thus impossible to put oneself in the other one's shoes? There are actually at least two posters here who have, in the past, expressed the stated belief that gays *are* trying to "impose their lifestyle on us". In addition, apparently, to adopting simply to convert, trying to convert school kids, etc. There's apparently a whole conversion industry behind the scenes of your nearest boy's town. If that were true, wouldn't we all have better taste? Better window treatments and lighting? Sadly the revolution didn't hit my hillbilly hometown.
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Post by awhina on Feb 28, 2017 22:50:13 GMT
and I don't have any influence over And no, the world doesn't revolve around the US, but the world's economy, the world's stability, and the world's attention does. Deal with it.[/quote]
It is your opinion that the stability of the world depends on the USA.
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Post by awhina on Feb 28, 2017 22:53:16 GMT
First you are assuming that everyone here is American. Your veep and your Scotus is irrelevant to me. Second you assume that Leviticus has something to do with it. Are you unaware that the New Testament also condemns homosexuality? Personally I don't care if homosexuals get married. But others do. Lol, Aduh claiming she doesn't care if homosexuals get married or not. Pathetic lie. Read the thread Joffrey it's what I have said all along.
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Post by jillmcbain on Feb 28, 2017 22:57:20 GMT
Then I suggest they use that conversion industry themselves and get themselves converted to becoming gay. They can then tell us how much they liked that. Funnily enough, insisting one can be converted is sort of interesting comment on the one doing the insisting. It's called 'Equality in Injustice'.
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Post by progressiveelement on Feb 28, 2017 23:22:36 GMT
and I don't have any influence over And no, the world doesn't revolve around the US, but the world's economy, the world's stability, and the world's attention does. Deal with it. It is your opinion that the stability of the world depends on the USA. [/quote] When they sneeze, everyone catches a cold. To paraphrase a corrupt Wall Street banker with connections to Colombian drug barons in an episode of Miami Vice. It was in fact that creepy Reverend fellow in Poltergeist 2.
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