|
Post by Power Ranger on Jul 7, 2019 11:34:41 GMT
After a good Captain Marvel and an OK Endgame, Marvel delivers an Ant-man level bad kids adventure. Killer drones lol. The Avengers gave up on Europe where the hell were all the other heroes? Marisa Tomei the only redeeming thing in Far From Home. The action was terrible, felt like i was watching someone play the new PS4 game. Captain Marvel was excellent. Very disappointed in Endgame Far From Home was good. A- What is it with expecting other heroes? Good god, do you pick up a Batman book & wonder where is Superman? Its the idea behind comic books. Everyone is doing their stuff. I never expected to see The Avengers show up in Defenders. Hulk is convalescing I suspect. That arm is permanent damage according to the Russos which likely means we won't be seeing Professor Hulk again. I suspect he will go back to Savage Hulk which has an enhanced healing ability. Hawkeye? He's getting a Plus series so we'll see. Falcon & Winter Soldier? Isnt the usual excuse the various heroes are busy doing their own things? Battling their own villains? The Avengers probably aren’t allowed in Europe because Europe doesn’t want an incident of thousands of innocents dead. At least Spider-Twerp doesn’t chimp-out like Banner or side with terrorists like Cap.
|
|
|
Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 7, 2019 12:12:02 GMT
Sure dude. Whatever you say. I think he means he saw a manatee.🥳 Been a lot of sightings recently.
|
|
|
Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 7, 2019 12:21:21 GMT
Sure dude. Whatever you say. sorry if you can't afford to see movies in a theater Maybe he should do what you did and see a matinee to get a discount. You say “killer drones” as if the idea of a drone killing someone was preposterous. That’s what really deserves a great big (all lowercase) “lol” complete with stabby exclamation marks. lol!!! I’m not so much worried that you didn’t see the movie so much as you not paying attention to modern warfare. It’s a thing now, drones kill. The era of the peace-loving drone is over.
|
|
|
Post by Vassaggo on Jul 7, 2019 13:29:57 GMT
sorry if you can't afford to see movies in a theater Maybe he should do what you did and see a matinee to get a discount. You say “killer drones” as if the idea of a drone killing someone was preposterous. That’s what really deserves a great big (all lowercase) “lol” complete with stabby exclamation marks. lol!!! I’m not so much worried that you didn’t see the movie so much as you not paying attention to modern warfare. It’s a thing now, drones kill. The era of the peace-loving drone is over. Modern Weaponized Drones are scary enough. Lets throw some Sci-Fi elements into them. Yeah doesn't make them scarier at all...
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Jul 7, 2019 17:12:31 GMT
if FFH not featuring the Avengers constitutes a plot hole does that make Aquaman's entire do it alone plot also a plot hole? Aquaman not seeking help from the Justice League isn't a plothole because (unlike MCU, which gives lame excuses such as "not available" or "on vacation"), there's a legitimate reason for the rest of the Justice League to not be involved in the war in Aquaman. Since you've demonstrated that you're slow at understanding things, you probably don't understand why the Justice League shouldn't be involved in the war in Aquaman. So I'll explain it to you slowly. You're probably too young to know the story of the Trojan War. The ancient Greeks were separate city-states with their own kings and often couldn't agree on most things. But when Paris took Helen to Troy, that united the Greeks together and the Greeks went to war with Troy. It would've been similar in Aquaman. Orm is trying to form an alliance with the other kingdoms to start a war between the Atlanteans and the "surface-dwellars". Orm even manipulates the other kingdoms by hiring Ocean Master to fake an attack against Atlantis. But some of the other kingdoms are hesitant to start a war against the "surface-dwellars". If Aquaman were to seek the help of super-powered "surface-dwellars" such as Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Cyborg, that would most likely result in the other kingdoms of Atlantis uniting against the "surface-dwellars" and make things worse. Arthur had to prove to the Atlanteans that he wasn't siding with the "surface-dwellars" against the Atlanteans and his goal was peaceful co-existence between the Atlanteans and "surface-dwellars". That was something that Arthur had to do alone, without any help from super-powered "surface-dwellars" such as Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Cyborg. So No, it's not a plothole in Aquaman because it makes more sense that the Justice League wasn't involved in the war. Does it also make the ending of Wonder Woman a plot hole? Wonder Woman's story ended in 1918. Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Flash, and Cyborg weren't around in 1918. So No, it's not a plothole.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Jul 7, 2019 17:14:22 GMT
Captain Marvel was excellent. Very disappointed in Endgame Far From Home was good. A- What is it with expecting other heroes? Good god, do you pick up a Batman book & wonder where is Superman? Its the idea behind comic books. Everyone is doing their stuff. I never expected to see The Avengers show up in Defenders. Hulk is convalescing I suspect. That arm is permanent damage according to the Russos which likely means we won't be seeing Professor Hulk again. I suspect he will go back to Savage Hulk which has an enhanced healing ability. Hawkeye? He's getting a Plus series so we'll see. Falcon & Winter Soldier? Isnt the usual excuse the various heroes are busy doing their own things? Battling their own villains? The Avengers probably aren’t allowed in Europe because Europe doesn’t want an incident of thousands of innocents dead. At least Spider-Twerp doesn’t chimp-out like Banner or side with terrorists like Cap. Good points. That could explain why the Avengers didn't show up in Far From Home.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Jul 7, 2019 17:17:06 GMT
sorry if you can't afford to see movies in a theater Maybe he should do what you did and see a matinee to get a discount. You say “killer drones” as if the idea of a drone killing someone was preposterous. Killer drones aren't preposterous. What's preposterous is the US government allowing a non-government entity like Stark Industries to stockpile killer drones that can so easily be used to target civilians, like the kid in Peter's class who took the photo of Peter with his pants down. Then again, it's also preposterous that a federal agency would trick civilians, may of whom are minors, into going to a place where they know an attack is going to happen.
|
|
|
Post by ThatGuy on Jul 7, 2019 18:56:44 GMT
After a good Captain Marvel and an OK Endgame, Marvel delivers an Ant-man level bad kids adventure. Killer drones lol. The Avengers gave up on Europe where the hell were all the other heroes? Marisa Tomei the only redeeming thing in Far From Home. The action was terrible, felt like i was watching someone play the new PS4 game. Didn't they say it outright that the Avengers weren't coming? Also, the Sakovia Accords is still a thing. The Avengers can't just go to Europe. And after getting through the red tape, they would have been too late.
|
|
|
Post by ThatGuy on Jul 7, 2019 19:00:22 GMT
Maybe he should do what you did and see a matinee to get a discount. You say “killer drones” as if the idea of a drone killing someone was preposterous. Killer drones aren't preposterous. What's preposterous is the US government allowing a non-government entity like Stark Industries to stockpile killer drones that can so easily be used to target civilians, like the kid in Peter's class who took the photo of Peter with his pants down. Then again, it's also preposterous that a federal agency would trick civilians, may of whom are minors, into going to a place where they know an attack is going to happen. What federal agency? You do know SHIELD is not a government entity anymore, right? That's why SHIELD is now in an old safe house on the show. Also, those drones were out in space. What could the US government do to him?
|
|
|
Post by dazz on Jul 7, 2019 19:38:32 GMT
if FFH not featuring the Avengers constitutes a plot hole does that make Aquaman's entire do it alone plot also a plot hole? Aquaman not seeking help from the Justice League isn't a plothole because (unlike MCU, which gives lame excuses such as "not available" or "on vacation"), there's a legitimate reason for the rest of the Justice League to not be involved in the war in Aquaman. Since you've demonstrated that you're slow at understanding things, you probably don't understand why the Justice League shouldn't be involved in the war in Aquaman. So I'll explain it to you slowly. You're probably too young to know the story of the Trojan War. The ancient Greeks were separate city-states with their own kings and often couldn't agree on most things. But when Paris took Helen to Troy, that united the Greeks together and the Greeks went to war with Troy. It would've been similar in Aquaman. Orm is trying to form an alliance with the other kingdoms to start a war between the Atlanteans and the "surface-dwellars". Orm even manipulates the other kingdoms by hiring Ocean Master to fake an attack against Atlantis. But some of the other kingdoms are hesitant to start a war against the "surface-dwellars". If Aquaman were to seek the help of super-powered "surface-dwellars" such as Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Cyborg, that would most likely result in the other kingdoms of Atlantis uniting against the "surface-dwellars" and make things worse. Arthur had to prove to the Atlanteans that he wasn't siding with the "surface-dwellars" against the Atlanteans and his goal was peaceful co-existence between the Atlanteans and "surface-dwellars". That was something that Arthur had to do alone, without any help from super-powered "surface-dwellars" such as Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Cyborg. So No, it's not a plothole in Aquaman because it makes more sense that the Justice League wasn't involved in the war. Does it also make the ending of Wonder Woman a plot hole? Wonder Woman's story ended in 1918. Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Flash, and Cyborg weren't around in 1918. So No, it's not a plothole. I am not the one with a clear learning disability, you are the idiot who thinks a 1980's sci-fi comedy is the definitive word on time travel after all.
And asking for help to overthrow Orm wasn't my point, glad to see you are too stupid to get that, Arthur doesn't care about Atlantis for 95% of the movie or being king, he just wants to stop Orm and the others from destroying the surface world, so why does he not give any of the League a heads up, not so they can interfere with Atlantean business but to prepare for invasion?
Why don't the League show up either when a freak tidal waves destroy shitloads of land, wrecking lord knows how much property and killing god knows how many people? or show up when Black Manta and the Atlanteans attack them on that coastal town in Italy or wherever they were?
As for Wonder Woman the ending contradicts the story set up in BVS, the two stories having to be ham fistedly tried to be explained away in JL, in BVS Diana says she hasn't been a apart of our world in almost a century or something to that effect, in WW she ends the film wanting to still work with the team formed in WW to help people, they contradict each other, they are narratively inconsistent with one another there by being plot holes, as is Cyborg being created already in BVS prior to Supermans death and yet it being said the mother box was inactive until after Superman died in JL, again narratively inconsistent.
Arthur not telling the JL about Atlanteans wanting to wage war is inconsistent from a character perspective, he wants to protect the surface world yet he doesn't warn them, his despite him being ready enough to do the team up thing in JL when the world needed it, the world needed it in Aquaman also and yet he doesn't prepare the surface for an attack, instead going along with Atlantean traditions and laws which hew has no regard for until the final act of the movie, making it inconsistent to the character and there by a plothole, Superman is also established as a global hero appearing where and when needed so him not being around during the massive destruction in Aquaman is also narratively inconsistent, unlike with Marvel where it is actually consistent that outside of global threats which usually bring the team together before the big battles that the heroes are relatively isolated.
Also in FFH Talos isn't a government agent he's a sub for Fury as is his wife for what's her name, they aren't meant to be operating like Fury does, that's the point, that's how Mysterio fools them because Fury would see past that shit, so this complaint is fucking dopey on your part, what soret of government agency would do this? one that's not really being run by a government agent but a shape shifting alien with only the most recent knowledge Fury possesses hence the only person he knows to contact is likely Spider-Man, you fucking putz.
|
|
|
Post by dazz on Jul 7, 2019 19:52:28 GMT
Maybe he should do what you did and see a matinee to get a discount. You say “killer drones” as if the idea of a drone killing someone was preposterous. Killer drones aren't preposterous. What's preposterous is the US government allowing a non-government entity like Stark Industries to stockpile killer drones that can so easily be used to target civilians, like the kid in Peter's class who took the photo of Peter with his pants down. Then again, it's also preposterous that a federal agency would trick civilians, may of whom are minors, into going to a place where they know an attack is going to happen. None of that is preposterous you dipshit, it's not right but not preposterous, the government cant stop Stark Industries from making and stocking Iron Man suits for fuck sake you honestly think drones are something they wont allow?
Also private companies do build and stockpile weapon ready drones, who do you think make them for the government? And what makes you think the government would even know about them having such things? Tony built a fucking time machine and the government didn't know shit about it, a fucking time machine, you would think he maybe a time machine sticks out more than drones which could easily be de-weaponised if needed to not draw suspicion should the circumstances call for it.
Federal agencies do a bunch of dodgy shit, they do so if the reward outweighs the risk, if they can pass the buck or they just aren't held accountable, also Shield/Fury aren't government agencies anymore, hell that wasn't even Fury you spanner, and even if it was and they were guess what their priority is protecting their governments interest, guess what they don't really give too much of a shit about? protecting another country when it doesn't benefit them.
Also even if they were preposterous that's in the real world, this is the MCU they have different standards, sort of like how in the real world no metropolitan police force would allow some freak dressing like a bat the right to brutally beat and cripple criminals, even murder them as the films repeatedly show Batman doing, but it's a DC movie therefor we let it slide because he's Batman, so why don't you take issue with this? oh yeah I forgot you are a hypocrite...fuck you.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Jul 7, 2019 20:06:16 GMT
the government cant stop Stark Industries from making and stocking Iron Man suits for fuck sake you honestly think drones are something they wont allow? Yes, the government can stop them. Simply by seizing the Iron Man suits and the drones. Do you actually think the government would allow private citizens to stockpile dangerous weapons that are a threat to public safety? Just look at Waco. The government didn't like that Branch Dividian was stockpiling all those guns and ammo so the government lay siege to the compound. private companies do build and stockpile weapon ready drones, who do you think make them for the government? They build them under contract for the government and the government has auditors and inspectors to make sure every weapon is tracked and no weapons are illegally sold to terrorists. Any killer drones built that are not part of the government contracts would be considered illegal possession of weapons of mass destruction. what makes you think the government would even know about them having such things? They had a satellite in space launching hundreds of killer drones. The government would see that. even if it was and they were guess what their priority is protecting their governments interest How the fuck is ordering a killer drone to target a high school kid protecting the government's interest?how in the real world no metropolitan police force would allow some freak dressing like a bat the right to brutally beat and cripple criminals, even murder them as the films repeatedly show Batman doing This is the MCU board and this thread is about an MCU movie. Why are you bringing Batman into a thread about an MCU movie on an MCU board and always trying to turn every thread into an MCU vs DC thread?
|
|
|
Post by poutinep on Jul 7, 2019 21:28:28 GMT
the government cant stop Stark Industries from making and stocking Iron Man suits for fuck sake you honestly think drones are something they wont allow? Do you actually think the government would allow private citizens to stockpile dangerous weapons that are a threat to public safety? Yes LOL
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Jul 7, 2019 21:43:15 GMT
Do you actually think the government would allow private citizens to stockpile dangerous weapons that are a threat to public safety? Yes LOL
I'm not referring to handguns and rifles, idiot! I'm referring to killer drones that can be used to target high school kids. The government would never allow a non-government entity to stockpile those and only idiots would think that they would allow it.
|
|
|
Post by poutinep on Jul 7, 2019 21:47:44 GMT
I'm not referring to handguns and rifles, idiot! I'm referring to killer drones that can be used to target high school kids. The government would never allow a non-government entity to stockpile those and only idiots would think that they would allow it. lawl so handguns and rifles aren't dangerous or able to be used to target high school kids?
and the government will allow anything..all you've got to do is 'lobby' (bribe) a few congresspeople.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Jul 7, 2019 21:56:31 GMT
I'm not referring to handguns and rifles, idiot! I'm referring to killer drones that can be used to target high school kids. The government would never allow a non-government entity to stockpile those and only idiots would think that they would allow it. lawl so handguns and rifles aren't dangerous or able to be used to target high school kids? If they know that someone is stockpiling illegal firearms or explosives (like C4) without the proper permits, yes, they will go in and seize those firearms. Just look at Waco. The problem for the government is that they don't always know when someone is doing that. That's when cases like Columbine happen, because the government didn't know the 2 shooters had those weapons. But Stark Industries had a satellite in space launching hundreds of killer drones that were programmed to target high school kids. The government would see a hundreds of killer drones being launched from a satellite in space and only an idiot would think the government would allow that. the government will allow anything..all you've got to do is 'lobby' (bribe) a few congresspeople. No, that's just the BS excuse Cap used for refusing to sign the Accords. But Cap made up that BS excuse because he really wanted to be a tyrant who ruled over the people rather than answering to the people.
|
|
|
Post by dazz on Jul 7, 2019 22:08:56 GMT
the government cant stop Stark Industries from making and stocking Iron Man suits for fuck sake you honestly think drones are something they wont allow? Yes, the government can stop them. Simply by seizing the Iron Man suits and the drones. Do you actually think the government would allow private citizens to stockpile dangerous weapons that are a threat to public safety? Just look at Waco. The government didn't like that Branch Dividian was stockpiling all those guns and ammo so the government lay siege to the compound. private companies do build and stockpile weapon ready drones, who do you think make them for the government? They build them under contract for the government and the government has auditors and inspectors to make sure every weapon is tracked and no weapons are illegally sold to terrorists. Any killer drones built that are not part of the government contracts would be considered illegal possession of weapons of mass destruction. what makes you think the government would even know about them having such things? They had a satellite in space launching hundreds of killer drones. The government would see that. even if it was and they were guess what their priority is protecting their governments interest How the fuck is ordering a killer drone to target a high school kid protecting the government's interest?how in the real world no metropolitan police force would allow some freak dressing like a bat the right to brutally beat and cripple criminals, even murder them as the films repeatedly show Batman doing This is the MCU board and this thread is about an MCU movie. Why are you bringing Batman into a thread about an MCU movie on an MCU board and always trying to turn every thread into an MCU vs DC thread? Well the government in the MCU hasn't stopped Tony from building his suits, his Iron Legion, Vision or a time machine, pretty sure the government in the MCU cannot stop Tony doing shit, that's not a plot hole it's a narrative consistency within that fictional world, which means that event though the world does not conform to our worlds rules, so long as it is consistent to it's owns doesn't make it an issue or a plot hole, you simple minded fool.
And what in the real world no companies create surplus stock or ever illegally sell or dispose of these things right? because everyone follows the letter of the law and the spirit of the law at all times, and government incompetence or bureaucracy never causes an issue...idiot.
Also stop trying to quote me out of context to pretend you have a point, you feeble minded little fucktard, if you cannot argue a point just shut your worthless fucking trap, you god damn embarrassment, also try to actually word things that cannot be obviously made to look so stupid as "How the fuck is ordering a killer drone to target a high school kid protecting the government's interest?" simple that high school kid could be homegrown terrorist carrying a dirty bomb, maybe if you wrote innocent high school kid you wouldn't look so damn retarded, because that would make some sense, but even then a government agency could be wiling to assassinate a foreign diplomats child in order to frame a rival nation where in said agency on behalf of their government brings to "justice" the "guilty" party solidifying relations between their government and said diplomats whilst also straining the relationship between theirs and the rival nations, they are extremes I grant you but they aren't that outside the realms of possibility, not when you think US law enforcement officers have murdered children just because of the colour of their skin in the recent past, so actually killing a child for tangible reasons is hardly a stretch.
And I brought up Batman for a reason explaining how because how the DC universe has established Batman's role and world him being allowed access and free reign to do his thing despite the illegal nature of it in OUR world does not make it stupid or a plot hole, I wasn't making it a DC Vs. MCU argument I was using another comic book series and movie premise's deviation from the real world as a comparison, you just see it as a DC Vs. Marvel issue because you have the brains of a boiled turkey's arsehole.
Now please do us all a favour and go lick a battery you fuck knuckle.
|
|
|
Post by dazz on Jul 7, 2019 22:14:20 GMT
the government will allow anything..all you've got to do is 'lobby' (bribe) a few congresspeople. No, that's just the BS excuse Cap used for refusing to sign the Accords. But Cap made up that BS excuse because he really wanted to be a tyrant who ruled over the people rather than answering to the people. It literally isn't, he even says that's not what he is saying in that scene, within that scene itself, he was saying governments, politicians and agenda's change, just because their interest are aligned right now doesn't mean they will always be aligned, so what happens when they get told you cannot help when they need to help, or they get told you need to fix a problem they don't see as a problem, that signing away their right to make their own choices is dangerous.
Actually watch a movie before commenting on it in future you pillock.
|
|
|
Post by Skaathar on Jul 7, 2019 22:22:33 GMT
Captain Marvel was excellent. Very disappointed in Endgame Far From Home was good. A- What is it with expecting other heroes? Good god, do you pick up a Batman book & wonder where is Superman? Its the idea behind comic books. Everyone is doing their stuff. I never expected to see The Avengers show up in Defenders. Hulk is convalescing I suspect. That arm is permanent damage according to the Russos which likely means we won't be seeing Professor Hulk again. I suspect he will go back to Savage Hulk which has an enhanced healing ability. Hawkeye? He's getting a Plus series so we'll see. Falcon & Winter Soldier? Isnt the usual excuse the various heroes are busy doing their own things? Battling their own villains? The Avengers probably aren’t allowed in Europe because Europe doesn’t want an incident of thousands of innocents dead. At least Spider-Twerp doesn’t chimp-out like Banner or side with terrorists like Cap. So you're saying European spiders cause the deaths of thousands of innocent chimps? Huh. You learn something new everyday.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Jul 7, 2019 22:29:40 GMT
No, that's just the BS excuse Cap used for refusing to sign the Accords. But Cap made up that BS excuse because he really wanted to be a tyrant who ruled over the people rather than answering to the people. It literally isn't, he even says that's not what he is saying in that scene, within that scene itself, he was saying governments, politicians and agenda's change, just because their interest are aligned right now doesn't mean they will always be aligned, so what happens when they get told you cannot help when they need to help, or they get told you need to fix a problem they don't see as a problem, that signing away their right to make their own choices is dangerous.
1st, they weren't signing away their choices. They had a choice to sign the Accords or retire. 2nd, signing the Accords doesn't mean they're not allowed to help. It just means they have to do things by the book. For example, if a cop decides that he won't follow the orders or do things by the book and just searches a suspect's house without a warrant, all that results in is the evidence being thrown out and the suspect going free and unpunished for his crime because the cop thought he didn't need to follow orders or do things by the book. The Accords are ensure that they don't act recklessly and unnecessarily endanger civilian lives, like what Cap's team did in Civil War when they chased Crossbones through a crowded market during the day and then Scarlet Witch caused a bomb to blow out the side of a building and kill dozens of civilians. The Accords were there to ensure that things were done by the book so that justice could be done and also to ensure accountability for reckless actions and selfish decisions, which the Avengers are known to always make. But Cap refused to sign the Accords because he wanted to be a tyrant who ruled over the people rather than have to answer to the people.
|
|