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Post by dazz on Jul 7, 2019 22:52:14 GMT
It literally isn't, he even says that's not what he is saying in that scene, within that scene itself, he was saying governments, politicians and agenda's change, just because their interest are aligned right now doesn't mean they will always be aligned, so what happens when they get told you cannot help when they need to help, or they get told you need to fix a problem they don't see as a problem, that signing away their right to make their own choices is dangerous.
1st, they weren't signing away their choices. They had a choice to sign the Accords or retire. 2nd, signing the Accords doesn't mean they're not allowed to help. It just means they have to do things by the book. For example, if a cop decides that he won't follow the orders or do things by the book and just searches a suspect's house without a warrant, all that results in is the evidence being thrown out and the suspect going free and unpunished for his crime because the cop thought he didn't need to follow orders or do things by the book. The Accords are ensure that they don't act recklessly and unnecessarily endanger civilian lives, like what Cap's team did in Civil War when they chased Crossbones through a crowded market during the day and then Scarlet Witch caused a bomb to blow out the side of a building and kill dozens of civilians. The Accords were there to ensure that things were done by the book so that justice could be done and also to ensure accountability for reckless actions and selfish decisions, which the Avengers are known to always make. But Cap refused to sign the Accords because he wanted to be a tyrant who ruled over the people rather than have to answer to the people. And if they signed they would have no agency over their actions, they would have to only go where they were sent, their actions decided by people with agenda's and political aspirations, the Avengers would become assets to be bartered with between politicians.
Also I wasn't even arguing that, I was just saying you are a lying sack of shit saying Steve said this when he specifically says that's not what he is saying during that actual scene, you utter plonker.
And you still don't know what a tyrant is, despite your overuse of the word, my god you are fucking dumb.
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Post by poelzig on Jul 7, 2019 23:40:03 GMT
Nigerian, please... you’re all played out. Who here is from Nigeria?
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Post by merh on Jul 7, 2019 23:58:45 GMT
Captain Marvel was excellent. Very disappointed in Endgame Far From Home was good. A- What is it with expecting other heroes? Good god, do you pick up a Batman book & wonder where is Superman? Its the idea behind comic books. Everyone is doing their stuff. I never expected to see The Avengers show up in Defenders. Hulk is convalescing I suspect. That arm is permanent damage according to the Russos which likely means we won't be seeing Professor Hulk again. I suspect he will go back to Savage Hulk which has an enhanced healing ability. Hawkeye? He's getting a Plus series so we'll see. Falcon & Winter Soldier? Isnt the usual excuse the various heroes are busy doing their own things? Battling their own villains? The Avengers probably aren’t allowed in Europe because Europe doesn’t want an incident of thousands of innocents dead. At least Spider-Twerp doesn’t chimp-out like Banner or side with terrorists like Cap. Black Widow-deceased Captain America-off world/dimension Iron Man-deceased Hulk-disabled. Retired? Hawkeye-retired? Spending time with family? Thor-off world. Vision-deceased Scarlet Witch-in mourning? Widowed War Machine-disability retirement What Avengers? Antman-technically free lance. Falcon-tended to work with Cap so probably not up to speed. Winter Soldier-Captain America's friend is probably still seen as a war criminal/laying low. So what Avengers?
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Post by merh on Jul 8, 2019 1:56:48 GMT
Very disappointed in Endgame loved the first 90 minutes of Endgame, peak MCU, but everything else was disappointing They didn't need the 5 yr bit. DC fan bitched they were going to erase it, killing babies born in the 5 year period, but they really only included it to show "real world impact" which is ultimately messier. Russo's line about the date-crying through different courses. But now their significant others would be back. So turn off the new romance? Dump the old love? Spouse dusted? You re-marry. Boom. Bigamist? And by not doing "the blip", we might have had just one movie, not 2.
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Post by merh on Jul 8, 2019 2:05:29 GMT
Nope. I thought you liked Supergirl. You are both wrong, in my opinion, Captain Marvel was fine, it was meh, mediocre, passable but unspectacular, no real reason to love it no real reason to hate it just a perfectly middle of the road superhero movie...which would have been lauded as a masterpiece about 18 years ago but today is just like the baseline for what a superhero movie should be. As a woman who was in her 20s in the 80s, what Carol experienced resonated with me. It was glorious when she realized she didnt need to work on the terms of her kidnappers, those who sought to use & control her. She could live by her own rules, not those of the supreme Intelligence or Yon-rogg
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 8, 2019 4:14:05 GMT
Maybe he should do what you did and see a matinee to get a discount. You say “killer drones” as if the idea of a drone killing someone was preposterous. Killer drones aren't preposterous. What's preposterous is the US government allowing a non-government entity like Stark Industries to stockpile killer drones that can so easily be used to target civilians, like the kid in Peter's class who took the photo of Peter with his pants down. Then again, it's also preposterous that a federal agency would trick civilians, may of whom are minors, into going to a place where they know an attack is going to happen. I have only seen the movie once at this point but, for the sake of clarity, Beck staged incidents in Mexico, Italy, and Prague before having access to EDITH.
William Ginter Riva designed the drones for Stark Industries while in Tony's employ and was later fired at some undisclosed date and time. Riva would then repurpose his drone design for Quentin Beck's use in deceiving the nations of the world into believing an attack on the Earth, perpetrated by extra-terrestrial beings (i.e., the elementals), was in progress. As such, the first three elemental attacks are primarily the work of a pseudo-terrorist organization (co-opting Stark tech they designed).
Actual Stark munitions do not play into Beck's plan until the third act of the movie. You are correct in that Stark Industries, and thus Tony Stark is responsible (by proxy) for an attack on an American civilian. Your concern for verisimilitude in MCU films is teetering on obsession. That said, we all need hobbies and, who am I to judge? Availing myself of my once-monthly privilege to entertain your particular brand of psychosis, let's explore the nearest real-world analog to Stark Industries we have - the revered and supremely patriotic, Lockheed Martin. Lockheed Martin is a multinational conglomerate operating in the defense, propulsion, advanced technologies, and security industries, just to name a few. Neither Stark Industries nor Lockheed Martin is a 'governmental entity' they are corporations that are publically traded on the American stock market. Both companies manufacture and stockpile dangerous weapons that could be used to kill... well... anyone - at almost anytime. The U.S. government allows this via an apparatus called regulations (I know you'll dig those as you seem to be a fan of big government in general). The stockpiling of weapons is usually done in service of the interests of the U.S. government and/or her allies. In the MCU, the U.S. government is likely the primary beneficiary of Stark Industries, "killer drones" either through monetary compensation or some sharing arrangement. An SI drone was indeed misappropriated in Far From Home and, by a civilian asset no less (ouch). Believe it or not, similar situations do unfold in the real world (minus the comedic effect but sadly, not the civilians), such as when satellite resources or pending drone strikes are retasked without a proper notification chain being adhered to. This usually happens when there is difficulty or ambiguity in determining the integrity of a so-called legitimate target or when theater conditions change rapidly. All the MCU did was take this tendency and push it to an (admittedly) illogical extreme. It's called creative articulation (otherwise known as fiction).
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Post by dazz on Jul 8, 2019 5:51:43 GMT
You are both wrong, in my opinion, Captain Marvel was fine, it was meh, mediocre, passable but unspectacular, no real reason to love it no real reason to hate it just a perfectly middle of the road superhero movie...which would have been lauded as a masterpiece about 18 years ago but today is just like the baseline for what a superhero movie should be. As a woman who was in her 20s in the 80s, what Carol experienced resonated with me. It was glorious when she realized she didnt need to work on the terms of her kidnappers, those who sought to use & control her. She could live by her own rules, not those of the supreme Intelligence or Yon-rogg That's the thing to me, that doesn't happen it's just what they say happens, Carol was always doing things her way, she wasn't repressing her true self or playing by other peoples rules, the only thing that changes is she realises their deception, that they weren't the ones who gave her the power and there by he control disk wasn't helping but hindering her.
I actually think had they done the story the way they act like they did it would have been a far more engaging film and Carol a much more sympathetic character, I also think that the whole woman in the 80's thing was so superficially glossed over, yes the being talked down to thing feels very true of the time but that's it really, they don't show us Carol being exceptional even for her role which to be a female air force pilot back then she would need to be, she would need to be so much better than her male counter parts that their would be no choice but to recognise her skills.
Instead the only thing we get about her that's a strength is the she gets back up when she's been knocked down or fallen down, that's it really, but that's also true of every superhero, Carol doesn't have anything special about herself in that regard, which is why I say she and the film are fine, theres nothing wrong with the film, but it's just kind of ok, imo atleast.
Glad you liked it though.
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