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Post by skribb on Jul 28, 2019 9:59:46 GMT
i think the MCU Spidey movies have been fun to watch, however I am "offended" that Marvel turned their foremost hero into an errand boy for The Avengers.
He doesn't seem very crafty. He's always told what to do or what not to do.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 28, 2019 10:28:38 GMT
i think the MCU Spidey movies have been fun to watch, however I am "offended" that Marvel turned their foremost hero into an errand boy for The Avengers.He doesn't seem very crafty. He's always told what to do or what not to do. Isn't his whole arc in the mcu about learning to do the right things for the right reasons I.E not to be an Avenger?
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Post by skribb on Jul 28, 2019 15:58:48 GMT
If it is, i'm too stupid to have noticed.  in Far From Home, he is kidnapped by SHIELD in order to carry out a James Bond-esque mission, even having rendezvous points with other SHIELD agents lol. |
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Post by dazz on Jul 28, 2019 17:02:03 GMT
i think the MCU Spidey movies have been fun to watch, however I am "offended" that Marvel turned their foremost hero into an errand boy for The Avengers.He doesn't seem very crafty. He's always told what to do or what not to do. Isn't his whole arc in the mcu about learning to do the right things for the right reasons I.E not to be an Avenger? I would think and I haven't seen FFH yet, but by the sounds of the story the thing with these new Spidey films are essentially lessons about growing up, Homecoming is Peter trying to grow up too soon, FFH is Peter trying to ignore responsibility and just have fun over the summer, in both cases Peter figures things out, sets things right and saves the day.
Homecoming also had the message about believing in yourself, Peter only succeeds in that once he stops relying on Tony's suit, proving he is special not the suit.
This makes sense since this version of Peter was specifically picked to be a kid still, so having his theme be with him dealing with typical teenager issues just pushed to an extreme makes sense.
But this is basically his becoming a fully formed hero, he's learning as he goes, people seem to get a bit annoyed because he isn't just like he is in the comics, but Spidey in the comics doesn't normally seem to be 10 years behind everyone else, he emerges as a hero around the same time as the others, making him more a peer, in the MCU due to the rights issue Peter grew up with the Avengers as heroes so him taking orders makes more sense.
Also why would Disney write the one character they do not own the outright rights to as superior to their other heroes, Sony could always take the character back and if they do Marvel basically served up their own characters to fatten up Sony's cash cow, which would be silly imo.
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Post by poutinep on Jul 28, 2019 18:38:42 GMT
Well he is a teenager. Wouldn't it be ridiculous if he had the same confidence as older, veteran superheroes? Wouldn't it be ridiculous if he didn't act like he had anything to learn from others?
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jul 28, 2019 20:24:06 GMT
This kind of just makes me realize how similar Spider-Man and Shazam! are.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 28, 2019 22:06:40 GMT
Iron man jr
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Post by hobowar on Jul 28, 2019 22:09:48 GMT
When did he wear an Iron Man suit?
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 28, 2019 23:34:42 GMT
When did he wear an Iron Man suit? Well he wore the suit stark made so.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jul 29, 2019 2:45:29 GMT
When did he wear an Iron Man suit? Well he wore the suit stark made so. And Superman wore a suit his dad made.. Daredevil wore a suit Melvin Potter made.. Shazam wore a suit that a wizard made.. the X-Men wore suits definitely not made by them.. Lex Luthor wore a suit probably made by Armani or in BVS maybe Urban Outfitters.. Green Lantern wears a suit that comes out of a ring of alien origin. Batman in the comics has made and paid for so many things the Justice League uses. Nobody thinks they are all “Batman Jr.”. That’s literally the absolute most ridiculous criticism I’ve ever heard about anything lol. |
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 29, 2019 2:48:14 GMT
Well he wore the suit stark made so. And Superman wore a suit his dad made.. Daredevil wore a suit Melvin Potter made.. Shazam wore a suit that a wizard made.. the X-Men wore suits definitely not made by them.. Lex Luthor wore a suit probably made by Armani or in BVS maybe Urban Outfitters. That’s literally the absolute most ridiculous criticism I’ve ever heard about anything lol. Spidey is smart enough to make his own tech in the books. False Equivalence and hes not screaming mr stark every 10 seconds
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jul 29, 2019 2:59:27 GMT
And Superman wore a suit his dad made.. Daredevil wore a suit Melvin Potter made.. Shazam wore a suit that a wizard made.. the X-Men wore suits definitely not made by them.. Lex Luthor wore a suit probably made by Armani or in BVS maybe Urban Outfitters. That’s literally the absolute most ridiculous criticism I’ve ever heard about anything lol. Spidey is smart enough to make his own tech in the books. False Equivalence and hes not screaming mr stark every 10 seconds If you want to complain about him screaming for Mr. Stark a good amount then that makes sense because that definitely happens in the first movie. But Barbara Gordon is smart enough to make her own tech but she still gets a lot of it from Wayne Industries. Superman has Kryptonian education from the Fortress or Solitude but originally got his suit made by Martha Kent. Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins gets his tech from Wayne Industries instead of creating it himself. Spider-Man is a broke teenager from Queens who has to dumpster dive for computer parts. Are you saying you aren’t going to take some next level tech from a billionaire genius to help you keep people safe? |
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 29, 2019 3:11:14 GMT
Spidey is smart enough to make his own tech in the books. False Equivalence and hes not screaming mr stark every 10 seconds If you want to complain about him screaming for Mr. Stark a good amount then that makes sense because that definitely happens in the first movie. But Barbara Gordon is smart enough to make her own tech but she still gets a lot of it from Wayne Industries. Superman has Kryptonian education from the Fortress or Solitude but originally got his suit made by Martha Kent. Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins gets his tech from Wayne Industries instead of creating it himself. Spider-Man is a broke teenager from Queens who has to dumpster dive for computer parts. Are you saying you aren’t going to take some next level tech from a billionaire genius to help you keep people safe? Did Tony Stark make all his costumes in the books? Peter is very smart in the books. I d understand accepting a suit if he had a significant amount of time with his own costumes
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 29, 2019 5:47:43 GMT
If you want to complain about him screaming for Mr. Stark a good amount then that makes sense because that definitely happens in the first movie. But Barbara Gordon is smart enough to make her own tech but she still gets a lot of it from Wayne Industries. Superman has Kryptonian education from the Fortress or Solitude but originally got his suit made by Martha Kent. Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins gets his tech from Wayne Industries instead of creating it himself. Spider-Man is a broke teenager from Queens who has to dumpster dive for computer parts. Are you saying you aren’t going to take some next level tech from a billionaire genius to help you keep people safe? Did Tony Stark make all his costumes in the books? Peter is very smart in the books. I d understand accepting a suit if he had a significant amount of time with his own costumes This isn't the comic books, this is the Marvel Cinematic Universe; a different continuity established in a different medium of art and entertainment. They needed to establish their own version of Peter Parker that was unlike what had come before with Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield but still feel recognizable enough to the average consumer which meant tying him into other characters like Iron Man. This isn't just a creative choice it is also a legal choice as it avoids brand confusion telling the person seeing the product that this iteration is not at all connected to others like, say, the PS4 video game or the latest cartoon on Disney XD. Have the MCU's Spider-Man been something like an Iron Man Junior at times? Sure, I guess, but this is him when he's just starting out to be a superhero in High School where he's still learning to be a totally independent hero in a world full of supers, the more movies he's in the larger his own little world within the world of gods and monsters will be to where eventually he'll need not have to reach out to any other existing hero for advice or help - as the plan has been largely speculated, as it would make the best sense.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jul 29, 2019 21:01:20 GMT
Did Tony Stark make all his costumes in the books? Peter is very smart in the books. I d understand accepting a suit if he had a significant amount of time with his own costumes This isn't the comic books, this is the Marvel Cinematic Universe; a different continuity established in a different medium of art and entertainment. They needed to establish their own version of Peter Parker that was unlike what had come before with Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield but still feel recognizable enough to the average consumer which meant tying him into other characters like Iron Man. This isn't just a creative choice it is also a legal choice as it avoids brand confusion telling the person seeing the product that this iteration is not at all connected to others like, say, the PS4 video game or the latest cartoon on Disney XD. Have the MCU's Spider-Man been something like an Iron Man Junior at times? Sure, I guess, but this is him when he's just starting out to be a superhero in High School where he's still learning to be a totally independent hero in a world full of supers, the more movies he's in the larger his own little world within the world of gods and monsters to where eventually he'll need not have to reach out to any other existing hero for advice or help - as the plan has been largely speculated, as it would make the best sense. I'm so happy you responded to that because I feel like they just ignored most of what I said and said something else entirely that seemed almost nonsensical. And I just really didn't feel like dealing with that.
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Post by skribb on Jul 30, 2019 4:41:49 GMT
Did Tony Stark make all his costumes in the books? Peter is very smart in the books. I d understand accepting a suit if he had a significant amount of time with his own costumes This isn't the comic books, this is the Marvel Cinematic Universe; a different continuity established in a different medium of art and entertainment. They needed to establish their own version of Peter Parker that was unlike what had come before with Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield but still feel recognizable enough to the average consumer which meant tying him into other characters like Iron Man. This isn't just a creative choice it is also a legal choice as it avoids brand confusion telling the person seeing the product that this iteration is not at all connected to others like, say, the PS4 video game or the latest cartoon on Disney XD. Have the MCU's Spider-Man been something like an Iron Man Junior at times? Sure, I guess, but this is him when he's just starting out to be a superhero in High School where he's still learning to be a totally independent hero in a world full of supers, the more movies he's in the larger his own little world within the world of gods and monsters will be to where eventually he'll need not have to reach out to any other existing hero for advice or help - as the plan has been largely speculated, as it would make the best sense. Good points Now the question remaining is, if Spidey has the iron spider suit, why not use it all the time and stuff? |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 30, 2019 13:00:46 GMT
This isn't the comic books, this is the Marvel Cinematic Universe; a different continuity established in a different medium of art and entertainment. They needed to establish their own version of Peter Parker that was unlike what had come before with Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield but still feel recognizable enough to the average consumer which meant tying him into other characters like Iron Man. This isn't just a creative choice it is also a legal choice as it avoids brand confusion telling the person seeing the product that this iteration is not at all connected to others like, say, the PS4 video game or the latest cartoon on Disney XD. Have the MCU's Spider-Man been something like an Iron Man Junior at times? Sure, I guess, but this is him when he's just starting out to be a superhero in High School where he's still learning to be a totally independent hero in a world full of supers, the more movies he's in the larger his own little world within the world of gods and monsters will be to where eventually he'll need not have to reach out to any other existing hero for advice or help - as the plan has been largely speculated, as it would make the best sense. Good points Now the question remaining is, if Spidey has the iron spider suit, why not use it all the time and stuff? Because he wants to be his own man and live life on his terms. He didn't even want to bring his regular suit on his class trip. He isn't ready to be 'the next Iron Man' yet.
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Post by skribb on Jul 30, 2019 14:16:45 GMT
Good points Now the question remaining is, if Spidey has the iron spider suit, why not use it all the time and stuff? Because he wants to be his own man and live life on his terms. He didn't even want to bring his regular suit on his class trip. He isn't ready to be 'the next Iron Man' yet. True, in the sense that he hesitated to use the Night Monkey suit |
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Post by thenolan on Jul 30, 2019 17:10:40 GMT
Mysterio had a past relationship with Tony Stark that is more important than Spiderman. Spiderman is too sucked in with Iron Man. He is more Ironman's sidekick than Spiderman.
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