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Post by hobowar on Jul 30, 2019 12:25:04 GMT
I'm not talking about the ones that got blipped, but people who were killed in things like plane crashes and things like that.
Do you think Marvel are ever going to address this or will they just leave it to us to fill in the gaps?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 30, 2019 12:57:31 GMT
I doubt they're going to address it. I think it was the Russos who confirmed Hulk is smart enough to have people brought back in safe locations as opposed to in midair if they were in aircraft, or the middle of the road, in an elevator shaft, etc. The implications of 'the blip' are far reaching, as we've discussed on this board, but that isn't what the films are supposed to be about. That would make an interesting tv series, but it's not the kind of subject matter Disney Plus is looking for.
In the end it's up to us to decide exactly what happened and the problems the world would be facing, and it's probably better that way. It's like the cleanup process after a superhuman battle. They only touch on it in Homecoming, we don't need a detailed account of how the entire process plays out to understand this fictional world has a way of dealing with it. They acknowledged the issues with 'the blip' in FFH, now they're ready to move on to phase 4.
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Post by poutinep on Jul 30, 2019 16:30:37 GMT
Not relevant enough to address.
How would they address that anyway?
Sam: You're saying people in planes died when the pilots got snapped?
Bucky: Yeah...
Sam: That sucks...
Bucky: ...
Sam: So what the fuck is Zemo doing?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 30, 2019 18:12:51 GMT
People who died in plane crashes and the like probably wouldn’t have been brought back. Only the people who were turned to dust by the Gauntlet were brought back.
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Post by dazz on Jul 30, 2019 23:24:41 GMT
I think someone said something along the lines of the snap was intuitively done as to not take people in times where they would kills more people, which kind of makes sense as everyone didn't turn to dust in the same instance, the snap travelled but was seemingly doing so everywhere at the same time, so I dunno, with that I would also assume then it wouldn't hurt half the people Thanos already culled from but it seemingly did so who knows.
unless people who died due to others being blipped away counted towards the half the universe being erased so they to would have been brought back?
Oh fuck it who knows we are talking about untoled trillions or more people dying due to a magical glove and stones, they all came back with belly's full of ice cream and angel dust farts for all I know.
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Post by sostie on Jul 31, 2019 8:59:04 GMT
I think someone said something along the lines of the snap was intuitively done as to not take people in times where they would kills more people, But you do see a plane (or was it a helicopter) crash into a building in the Infinity War post credits. Chances are there was collateral damage there. If it was intuitive then it could have been more selective dusting those that were the biggest drain on resources. Nah. The snap took half, full stop. What happens after that happens.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 31, 2019 9:22:59 GMT
If the collateral damage wasn't fixed by Tony's Snap, it could be used as motivation for another villain. Could be fuel for someone like Alfre Woodard character in Civil War. Her character wasn't a villain but I could see someone blaming the Avengers again because their loved one didn't get brought back. Imagine how it would feel if you saw people get dusted but your wife/daughter/husband/son died because a helicopter hit them. Then after 5 years you have dealt with your emotional baggage decently enough. Then everyone else around you is brought back, but your loved one stayed dead. That damage could push someone over the edge.
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Post by dazz on Jul 31, 2019 9:28:03 GMT
I think someone said something along the lines of the snap was intuitively done as to not take people in times where they would kills more people, But you do see a plane (or was it a helicopter) crash into a building in the Infinity War post credits. Chances are there was collateral damage there. If it was intuitive then it could have been more selective dusting those that were the biggest drain on resources. Nah. The snap took half, full stop. What happens after that happens. Well it was meant to be impartial, completely random, but randomly selecting people to take doesn't mean taking them at random, but yeah the idea is flawed because Thanos takes out half of all life, so he took away half the food sources, half of natures balance, you know half the bee population means half the pollination which means half the vegetation and stuff.
Like I said magical glove powered by mystical stones, wielded bv a man with a purple scrotum for a chin...who fucking knows the sense this should make.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 31, 2019 9:47:53 GMT
But you do see a plane (or was it a helicopter) crash into a building in the Infinity War post credits. Chances are there was collateral damage there. If it was intuitive then it could have been more selective dusting those that were the biggest drain on resources. Nah. The snap took half, full stop. What happens after that happens. Well it was meant to be impartial, completely random, but randomly selecting people to take doesn't mean taking them at random, but yeah the idea is flawed because Thanos takes out half of all life, so he took away half the food sources, half of natures balance, you know half the bee population means half the pollination which means half the vegetation and stuff.
Like I said magical glove powered by mystical stones, wielded bv a man with a purple scrotum for a chin...who fucking knows the sense this should make.
I was talking to my Cousin about the food supply aspect. He owns a decently sized farm about 25 miles from me. (It was a long meandering conversation while we were cooking out. The Avengers Conversation morphed into how much the Government pays farmers not to grow things. To help stabilze markets as to not have another Dust Bowl and Great Depression) He told me that the most Western Countries keep 4 months of wheat, corn, sorghum, and rice in reserve. That's enough of to feed every man woman and child in the country for 4 months. The US keeps that plus we keep 5 metric tons of each of those staples to give out as humanitarian Aide to other countries. We do the same for oil and other staples other than food. So right off the bat Most Western Cultures and especially the US would have enough food to feed every citizen in the US left for 8 months on just the reserves. The Humanitarian Grains we store would extend that number for a few more months or so. So there would be a cushion to hold off starvation for around a year which would give people time to organize. That's not to mention all the canned, preserved, and processed food stuffs already on the shelves. Same with the oil/gas. We have enough in reserve to get us through 6-12 months. That's not counting all the oil, diesel, and gasoline that's in all the gas stations tanks and oil refiniery tanks already. I think there would be more harm done to people psychologically than physically or nutritionally. I couldn't imagine what seeing half the population of the world and animal life just die at once would feel like. It would be a crushing blow. Edit: Especially because no one would've known what caused it, why it happened, and if the other shoe was going to drop and the rest were going to get dusted too. It would be chaos until the Avengers could explain what happened. And I doubt communication would be in tip top shape right after the snap either. So it could possibly take a while to let everyone know what happened. And after seeing that massive of a die off you know people would invent all kinds of theories, conspiracies, and hypotheticals to explain it even after the Avengers told everyone.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 31, 2019 10:06:14 GMT
But you do see a plane (or was it a helicopter) crash into a building in the Infinity War post credits. Chances are there was collateral damage there. If it was intuitive then it could have been more selective dusting those that were the biggest drain on resources. Nah. The snap took half, full stop. What happens after that happens. Well it was meant to be impartial, completely random, but randomly selecting people to take doesn't mean taking them at random, but yeah the idea is flawed because Thanos takes out half of all life, so he took away half the food sources, half of natures balance, you know half the bee population means half the pollination which means half the vegetation and stuff.
Like I said magical glove powered by mystical stones, wielded bv a man with a purple scrotum for a chin...who fucking knows the sense this should make.
Also didn't Tony say something about "Smart Crops" or some such thing in Ironman? When the reporter called him a merchant of death he came back with how he created smart crops... With Tony being part of the half that lived he would come up with ways to secure the worlds nutritional needs. knowing him he would also create little tiny ironman suits that would fly around pollinating plants. Which I don't know if seeing a swarm of tiny 1 to 2 inch tall ironmen' pollinating plants would be cute or terrifying.
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Post by sostie on Jul 31, 2019 11:42:52 GMT
I don't think the "half of living things" should be taken too literally. The snap enforced Thanos's will and intention, the same way in enforced Hulk's to undo the snap and Iron Man's to destroy Thanos & his army. If it was Thano's intention to destroy everything living then the plants, all animals etc would have been included. But in Wakanda, in a forest we saw no plants turn to dust.
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Post by dazz on Jul 31, 2019 11:44:38 GMT
Well it was meant to be impartial, completely random, but randomly selecting people to take doesn't mean taking them at random, but yeah the idea is flawed because Thanos takes out half of all life, so he took away half the food sources, half of natures balance, you know half the bee population means half the pollination which means half the vegetation and stuff.
Like I said magical glove powered by mystical stones, wielded bv a man with a purple scrotum for a chin...who fucking knows the sense this should make.
Also didn't Tony say something about "Smart Crops" or some such thing in Ironman? When the reporter called him a merchant of death he came back with how he created smart crops... With Tony being part of the half that lived he would come up with ways to secure the worlds nutritional needs. knowing him he would also create little tiny ironman suits that would fly around pollinating plants. Which I don't know if seeing a swarm of tiny 1 to 2 inch tall ironmen' pollinating plants would be cute or terrifying. Yeah but that's all just how that would effect us, on a universal stage if you wipe out half of all life you fuck with the ecosystems, like half of all sentient life is atleast sort of understandable, but he wiped out half of the bumblebee's what was the point in that?
Not to mention what about the species that are down to a handful, if it's impartially random if you could wipe out too high a portion of the female population and quicken the extinction of many species for no real reason.
As Carol says lots of places got it worse than Earth after the snap, atleast Earth had the Avengers most places didn't have that.
Atleast the reserves and Tony's crop stuff would balance out things for when everything got snapped back, otherwise suddenly doubling the population may cause a strain on things just as the world got accustomed to under 4 billion people.
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Post by dazz on Jul 31, 2019 11:48:07 GMT
I don't think the "half of living things" should be taken too literally. The snap enforced Thanos's will and intention, the same way in enforced Hulk's to undo the snap and Iron Man's to destroy Thanos & his army. If it was Thano's intention to destroy everything living then the plants, all animals etc would have been included. But in Wakanda, in a forest we saw no plants turn to dust. If not then why was birds chirping and stuff a sign that Hulk turned things back? I think it was living creatures they intended it to mean, but yeah living things would include planets* also right, that would have been kind of funny to just see everywhere get patchy.
* Plants not planets dammit, though Ego was a planet and he was alive so I guess that could fit if he weren't already dead, god dammit, now I feel like a ninny.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 31, 2019 12:09:13 GMT
I don't think the "half of living things" should be taken too literally. The snap enforced Thanos's will and intention, the same way in enforced Hulk's to undo the snap and Iron Man's to destroy Thanos & his army. If it was Thano's intention to destroy everything living then the plants, all animals etc would have been included. But in Wakanda, in a forest we saw no plants turn to dust. I'm with Dazz on this one. I think Widow phrased it Half of all creatures. The s"sign" was the large number of birds in the trees right outside the window. That was the Writers/Russos clue to the characters and us audience member that it was half of all animals/creatures.
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Post by sostie on Jul 31, 2019 13:11:30 GMT
Guess he don't like birds
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Aug 2, 2019 18:21:31 GMT
It’s actually interesting to think of the number of people that died as a result of the snap. It’s a seriously dark thought but not just people who were killed in any sort of crash but imagine the people who more than likely killed themselves? And the aftermath of the snap had to be filled with some globally crime ridden streets of people majorly freaking out and the fact that it’s possible that more than half of law enforcement, military, or government was blipped from existence.
I know some people don’t think it’s interesting but I would love to watch a show exploring the aftermath of the snap. It worked for The Leftovers.
Basically Thanos still kind of won in a big bad way.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 3, 2019 0:38:59 GMT
People who died in plane crashes and the like probably wouldn’t have been brought back. Only the people who were turned to dust by the Gauntlet were brought back. Oh they can’t have that. Let’s get the retcon! |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 3, 2019 9:57:35 GMT
It’s actually interesting to think of the number of people that died as a result of the snap. It’s a seriously dark thought but not just people who were killed in any sort of crash but imagine the people who more than likely killed themselves? And the aftermath of the snap had to be filled with some globally crime ridden streets of people majorly freaking out and the fact that it’s possible that more than half of law enforcement, military, or government was blipped from existence. I know some people don’t think it’s interesting but I would love to watch a show exploring the aftermath of the snap. It worked for The Leftovers. Basically Thanos still kind of won in a big bad way. You brought up an interesting point about the suicides. Imagine being the one who got dusted and you come back only to find out that your love ones took their own life because of your apparent death. But if we want to get real dark here's another scenario: Imagine a woman giving birth and right when Thanos snaps his fingers the infant turns into Ash or the mother holding the child turns to Ash. |
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Aug 3, 2019 10:00:39 GMT
Leave it alone. It's just a family movie.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 3, 2019 16:56:42 GMT
Leave it alone. It's just a family movie. Mass murder for the whole family to enjoy! 
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