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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 23:16:10 GMT
It's hard to imagine a better place for Oswald to work if he wanted to kill JFK than the Texas School Book Depository.
This is the one piece of evidence that has always stumped me, did he assume that the presidential motorcade would most likely pass by this key building, was it mere coincidence, or perhaps he was already chosen as a patsy and somehow placed there?
What do you believe is the key piece of evidence for or against Oswald acting alone.
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 14, 2017 0:19:12 GMT
Oswald was a patsy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 2:14:52 GMT
One look on Oswald's confused face certainly tells you quite a bit about the truth of the matter, shouldn't someone who assassinates a President for whatever political or social views, want to immediately rant or rave about their personal manifesto for vengeance? Then he himself is shot and assassinated almost immediately? Like clockwork planning on someone's part, not Oswald's.
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Post by koskiewicz on Apr 14, 2017 17:28:29 GMT
...I have corresponded with the now deceased Dr Harold Weisberg who was a foremost JFK assassination theorist. He stated to me (in correspondence) that it was an impossibility for Oswald to have acted alone. He may have been involved, but he was NOT the lethal triggerman.
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Post by MCDemuth on Apr 14, 2017 18:04:28 GMT
This is what I said in another post: imdb2.freeforums.net/post/203862 ... ... in another thread: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/13332/conspiracies-believeWhat I wonder about, is why didn't Oswald take a shot a JFK, when the car was on that other street coming towards the Building. He would have had a better luck... But no, he waits, until the car turns on to another street, and he still sits there and waits until the car goes down the street a piece, away from the building, and is picking up speed too... At the very least, Oswald should have taken a shot at JFK, from directly above, when the car had just finished turning, and the car was directly beneath the window. But No, he just waits. Everyone knows, the first shot will always be the best one, and he waits until it is more difficult? Then with the rest of the shots, they will not only be harder from reloading and taking aim, but it will also be harder from the fact the car is moving away from him, and speeding up. I know this guy wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but come on. Why wait until JFK is leaving the area, instead of coming into it? I can only think of one reason to wait... He waits to start shooting, until JFK's car reaches a location, where it is much easier for more than one shooter to target him.
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Post by hi224 on Apr 16, 2017 9:26:22 GMT
I believe he did until more compelling evidence is investigated and found as well.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 19, 2017 9:30:27 GMT
Never been 100% sure, but I would say Oswald acted alone. Two points...
1. Look at Oswald. He was an ignorant, wife-beating lump. Would you involve him in any kind of conspiracy?
2. The big point for conspiracy in Jack Ruby. "He shut Oswald up!". But... On 11/24, Oswald was to be turned over to Federal custody at 9 am. Up until then, he was only charged with killing Officer JD Tippet, a state crime. At 9 am, he would be charged with the assassination, turned over to Federal marshals and taken to DC. In the morning, Dallas PD wanted to interrogate LHO one more time. They had one of the best in the nation (name escapes me), he had thought LHO was close to spilling something on the 23rd and wanted another go. The Justice Department said OK, Oswald was grilled, they got nothing and Oswald was to be turned over three hours later. What does this have to do with anything? If LHO was to be turned over and taken from Dallas at 9 am, why wasn't Ruby at Police HQ before 9? Ruby was home until 11 am. He couldn't shoot Oswald from there. No one knew LHO was to be staying longer.
I'll admit, the Zapruder film does look like a 2nd shot. But that's the only evidence for me of a 2nd shooter. On Oswald's side, you have his gun, his print on the gun, his shooting as police officer minutes after Kennedy is shot, his leaving all his worldly possessions at his apartment before he went to work, and a guy with nothing left to live for. He's at a dead end job, his wife left him, his other love, Communism, rejected him. Classic assassin
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 2:15:52 GMT
Having spent the week reading up on Oswald, have come to the conclusion that one must make a decision based upon the fact: 'Could Oswald have assassinated Kennedy from the shots that were fired?' Examining his personal life or past history still does not clear him from opportunity. No one will ever step up and say that Oswald was our Patsy- so could he have made the shot or not? Oswald 'had no time to fire all Kennedy bullets' In fresh tests of the Mannlicher-Carcano bolt-action weapon, supervised by the Italian army, it was found to be impossible for even an accomplished marksman to fire the shots quickly enough. The official Warren Commission inquiry into the shooting concluded the following year that Oswald was a lone gunman who fired three shots with a Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle in 8.3 seconds But when the Italian team test-fired the identical model of gun, they were unable to load and fire three shots in less than 19 seconds - suggesting that a second gunman must have been present in Dealey Plaza, central Dallas, that day. Two of the bullets hit Kennedy, with the first - the so called "magic bullet", ridiculed by conspiracy theorists - also wounding the governor of Texas, John B Connally, after it had struck the president. In a further challenge to the official conclusions, the Italian team conducted two other tests at the former Carcano factory in Terni, north of Rome, where the murder weapon was made in 1940.They fired bullets through two large pieces of meat, in an attempt to simulate the assumed path of the magic bullet. In their test, the bullet was deformed, unlike the first bullet in the Kennedy assassination, which remained largely intact.The second bullet is thought to have missed its target. According to the commission, the third disintegrated when it hit Kennedy's head. The new research suggests, however, that this is incompatible with the fact that Oswald was only 80 yards away, in a book depository, when he fired. The Italian tests suggest that a bullet fired from that distance would have emerged intact from Kennedy's head, implying that the third shot must instead have come from a more distant location.The findings will encourage conspiracy theorists who hold that Oswald could not have fired three shots in time. For each shot, he would have had to push up the gun's bolt handle, pull the bolt backwards to eject the spent cartridge case and then forward to slide the next round into the chamber, before turning down the bolt handle to lock it in place. The Italian findings will be hotly contested by those who believe that Oswald was a lone gunman - not least because they contradict firing tests previously conducted, using Oswald's actual rifle, by the FBI and the US Marines, and another study by Washington police marksmen using an identical gun. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1556184/Oswald-had-no-time-to-fire-all-Kennedy-bullets.htmlForensic pathologist Cyril Wecht- proceeded to explain the gyrations and changes in direction required for one bullet to have hit JFK, passing up through JFK’s body from the entrance wound in the back, to exit through JFK’s neck (moving upward at an 11 degree angle), to enter Connelly’s back, break a rib, exit Connelly’s chest and break Connelly’s right wrist, only to end embedded in Connelly’s left thigh. “The explanations are ridiculous,” Wecht challenged. “Was JFK bending over tying his shoe when he got shot? Not if you look at the Zapruder film. JFK was sitting upright, and the entrance wound in his back was lower than the supposed exit wound in this throat. How is it possible that a bullet fired from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository moved in an upward direction transiting through JFK’s body?” www.wnd.com/2014/09/oswald-dismissed-as-lone-gunman-in-jfk-killing/
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Post by MCDemuth on Apr 20, 2017 15:53:10 GMT
with the first - the so called "magic bullet", ridiculed by conspiracy theorists - also wounding the governor of Texas, John B Connally, after it had struck the president. One... big problem with the "magic bullet"... as shown in the movie JFK... is based on the interpretation that JBC, was sitting directly in front of JFK, and the bullet had to make some impossible turns in order to hit JBC the way it did. I have seen a documentary that has suggested that JBC was sitting a bit more toward the center of the car, and perhaps at a slight angle to the right, and JFK was sitting to the far right side of the car... With these sitting positions the bullet could have traveled in more of a straight line. It's interesting that over 50 years, we can't even figure out how these two people were even sitting in the car, and we have film of the them in the car to help with that analysis. But still, that one bullet would have to go through two men and still hit the second again in the wrist (Did it go through his wrist too?) That's one powerful and tough bullet. But yes, that weapon was difficult to fire multiple rounds from, and people have always questioned if ANYONE could fire three shots in that very short amount of time. Even if it was mechanically possible, could LHO have taken good aim on the last two shots in that amount of time as well? It's no wonder so many people believe that there was more than one shooter. Even after 50 years, analysts still can't even come up with a realistic 50/50 possibility that with just dealing with some of these basic issues, that LHO could have done it. And after 50 years, analysts are still arguing, that there was a fourth shot...
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 20, 2017 22:08:57 GMT
Always a hoot to see the "experts tests". The ones where they shoot, pull the rifle up to vertical, eject the spent, chamber a new round, place the gun down, acquire a target and shoot. The thing is, you don't need that rigamarole. With the shooters nest, Oswald could shoot, reload and shoot again without having to lose his target. Once you aim and "lead", keep the gun moving with the target, it might take 3 seconds, 4 tops, to shoot and reload. And the first shot is already loaded, so its only two that have to be reloaded. I can do it, I have done it with a rifle similar to the Mannlicher. You can probably do it. Could I make two head shots, more than likely no. I wasn't in the USMC either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 2:25:32 GMT
Yes. Oswald shot Kennedy, all by his lonesome. No huge conspiracy, just a lone nut.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 17:33:57 GMT
The Jack Ruby thing has always baffled me. Why would he assassinate Harvey? It makes no sense.
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Post by mecano04 on Apr 22, 2017 16:41:41 GMT
The Jack Ruby thing has always baffled me. Why would he assassinate Harvey? It makes no sense. It doesn't if Oswald is a lone wolf. Otherwise that leads to the fact something bigger was happening behind the curtain.
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Post by koskiewicz on Apr 22, 2017 18:36:03 GMT
...read a copy of "ZR Rifle" written by Claudia Furiati...(C-1994)
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Post by mecano04 on Apr 22, 2017 19:22:05 GMT
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Post by koskiewicz on Apr 23, 2017 20:40:57 GMT
Weisberg also wrote the book "Case Open"
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Post by bicks on Apr 24, 2017 10:07:04 GMT
I think I have seen every documentary ever made about JFK and I do not believe Oswald acted alone.
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Post by tarathian123 on Apr 24, 2017 13:17:44 GMT
I have too, and have read numerous books on the subject, plus the movies made. I do think Oswald was involved in the situation, but not in the killing. He was a patsy set up to take the fall. But he also knew or had figured out too much and had to be silenced hence his killing by Jack Ruby, a lesser member of the mob. Oswald was guilty of nothing more than being (a boon for the conspirators) in the right place at the right time. I doubt that Oswald even knew about the planting of the rifle or that he was being set up...until it was too late.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 24, 2017 17:06:54 GMT
I have too, and have read numerous books on the subject, plus the movies made. I do think Oswald was involved in the situation, but not in the killing. He was a patsy set up to take the fall. But he also knew or had figured out too much and had to be silenced hence his killing by Jack Ruby, a lesser member of the mob. Oswald was guilty of nothing more than being (a boon for the conspirators) in the right place at the right time. I doubt that Oswald even knew about the planting of the rifle or that he was being set up...until it was too late. Two respectful questions... 1. If Oswald never shot, why did he kill Officer JD Tippit? Sorry, but there's not much doubt that Oswald shot Tippet. 12 witnesses and LHO in possession of the murder weapon. It Oswald has done nothing wrong, why does he commit a capital crime. 2. How do the conspirators know that Oswald wouldn't spill his guts three seconds after arrest? Why wait three days to silence him? If you want to shoot the President, I want better people around me than a white trash wife beater and a titty bar operator.
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Post by koskiewicz on Apr 24, 2017 17:51:19 GMT
1) The description of Officer Tippet's killer never matched the description of LHO. Very conflicting descriptions here.
2) Ruby had the Dallas police in his pocket. The so called 3 days enabled Ruby his entrance to perform the deed on behalf of his bosses.
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