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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 10, 2019 10:49:51 GMT
If the content that the OP has posted is correct then it doesn't seem like much of a discussion to me. Saying that Allah is the one true God is part of the Shahada: how a person becomes a Muslim. To say that Muslims have more faith than Christians, if not in a discussion, is wrong. If that was reversed and they said that Christians have more faith than Muslims, you can bet there would be a huge outcry in the press. Saying that Allah is the one true God violates Christianity. You keep pretending that she was required to say a prayer to Allah. Why? By your logic, if you said the sentence you typed out loud, you would be violating Christianity.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 10, 2019 10:54:16 GMT
So how many school syllabuses have you looked at, exactly? Since that's almost certainly not happening, no big deal. Well it was either verbally recite the Shahada or get an automatic fail. www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-1438/99431/20190513130751933_Wood%20Petition.pdfShe was simply asked to write down a pillar of Islam. Are you seriously trying to pretend that she is thinking correctly that discussing any other religion is in and if itself a sin? If so, why do you talk about Muslims so much?
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Post by Cody™ on Oct 10, 2019 11:44:55 GMT
Again if she feels it’s a sin to profess such an antichrist creed and is obligated to do so then it’s infringement on her constitutional rights to religious freedom. Good on her for standing by her convictions.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 10, 2019 12:05:18 GMT
Again if she feels it’s a sin to profess such an antichrist creed and is obligated to do so then it’s infringement on her constitutional rights to religious freedom. Good on her for standing by her convictions. So schools should be run on the basis of one individual’s views? That should make things interesting at Xmas time!
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Post by Cody™ on Oct 10, 2019 12:09:11 GMT
Cody™, you seem to like opinion pieces about kids. You forward one now and you've done so many times in the past. Are you a fucking paedo? Grabbing any news story about kids written by jaffa paedos such as yourself? Fucking Paedo scum! See what I did there? I took an innocuous event (your lame-arsed agenda click-baiting) and twisted it how I wanted it to be perceived. A.K.A fake news. I have no moral qualms about generating fake news because I'm not some mindless gobshite with an agenda and can sniff out bullshit a mile away but it does amaze me how anyone can succumb to such nonsense. But then again you have admitted that you don't even run a critique on anything you forwarded and this is your problem, not your pathetic attempt of conjuring imaginary enemies such as liberal left boogeymen. Do I come across as some liberal lefty boogeyman..... ...you fucking paedo? Are you drunk?
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Post by amyghost on Oct 10, 2019 12:22:45 GMT
In shorter words, you're a bigot who has no problem condemning anyone who does't worship you preferred savior. If you actually followed his teachings you'd know he takes a dim view of that, but you're no more of a Christian than the people you rail against. In some salient respects, far less so. The chief danger posed to 'Christians' like yourself lies in their own ignorance and stupidity, but you're far too ignorant and stupid to recognize that. Yes yes anybody who criticises any worldview that doesn’t happen to be Christianity is a bigot, and a racist, and prejudiced, and a regressive, and an extremist. Go away you’re boring. No--when you criticise any worldview that doesn't happen to be Christianity, you're a bigot, a racist and prejudiced, and a regressive, and an extremist. You can't read your own posts, obviously--but everyone else can.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 10, 2019 12:24:08 GMT
Some will never get over feeling coerced, whenever they find themselves in a setting that requires them to open up their minds to something other than their preconceived notions. No help for that, and I'm not in favor of restricting the curriculum to accommodate those types anyway. It's not about learning or opening up their minds to something other than their preconceived notions. Otherwise, non-christians would be guilty of it themselves, for making this exact same complaint when Christianity was being promoted in the public school system. World religions can be taught without forcing non-adherents to accept belief in them, if their religious background forbids them from doing so. Believe me. It can be done, & should be done so. We have no fundamental (pardon the pun) disagreement on that point.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 10, 2019 13:21:59 GMT
Assuming this story is true, after it came from the WND I have to say this:
This is completely subjective.
This one is bs. Or at least as true as Christianity is at heart a peaceful religion.
This one is incomplete as it can also mean armed struggled against the unbelievers.
Again this came from the WND, so I take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by Cody™ on Oct 10, 2019 13:48:00 GMT
Saying that Allah is the one true God violates Christianity. As you are violating ISLAM, by saying that Allah isn't. Works both ways sunshine and both religions are wrongheaded. No, because I am not a Muslim.
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Post by Cody™ on Oct 10, 2019 13:52:48 GMT
Yes yes anybody who criticises any worldview that doesn’t happen to be Christianity is a bigot, and a racist, and prejudiced, and a regressive, and an extremist. Go away you’re boring. No--when you criticise any worldview that doesn't happen to be Christianity, you're a bigot, a racist and prejudiced, and a regressive, and an extremist. You can't read your own posts, obviously--but everyone else can. In other words “You’re a bigot, a racist, and prejudiced, and a regressive, and en extremist because I say so!!!” LOL
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Post by Isapop on Oct 10, 2019 14:16:49 GMT
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Post by amyghost on Oct 10, 2019 14:27:03 GMT
No--when you criticise any worldview that doesn't happen to be Christianity, you're a bigot, a racist and prejudiced, and a regressive, and an extremist. You can't read your own posts, obviously--but everyone else can. In other words “You’re a bigot, a racist, and prejudiced, and a regressive, and en extremist because I say so!!!” LOL Well, when someone's as obvious as you, that's a given.
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Post by clusium on Oct 10, 2019 14:28:26 GMT
We go to post secondary school to train for careers, do we not. At post secondary schools (both college & university levels), there are a wide, wide variety of career choices. If satanism should be a religious choice in the public spectrum, then so should criminal activities be in the public spectrum, in the education industry. How does being a Satanist, make one comparable to criminal behavior though? Satanism is an ideal, like any belief of religion, criminality is born out of attitude and behavior. That said, religious beliefs can have criminality attached to the belief. Satanism is about rejecting what traditional religion deems as good. Criminality is about disobeying --even rejecting--anything or perhaps even everything that is legal.
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Post by Cody™ on Oct 10, 2019 14:40:02 GMT
No, because I am not a Muslim. And a Muslim is not Christian. The belief that is held onto by either religion is of course going to claim that their belief is the only true and valid one. It is just belief and non-existent, except in the deluded mind of the beholder. False equivalence, dummy. A Muslim professing that Jesus is God and saviour and died for his sins and rose again is more comparable.
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Post by rizdek on Oct 10, 2019 15:06:58 GMT
What evidence do you have that 'they' are not? If they are, then the lawsuit makes no sense. But there seems to actually BE a law suit about this. So far, lower justices have ruled in favor of the school and it is supposedly going to...or someone is hoping it goes to...the supreme court. If the school is actually trying to get some kid to convert...to anything...then a) I think it's wrong and b) I have a hard time believing ANY lower court would rule in favor of that. I am not at all convinced this is what was going on. Schools have enough trouble getting kids to learn so why would they go out of their way to make things difficult for them? I think it's a "snowflake" kind of situation where perhaps they were studying Islam among the many world religions and the students were told to read/write/speak some ritualistic words from Islam along with, probably, some other religions.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 10, 2019 17:27:46 GMT
If the content that the OP has posted is correct then it doesn't seem like much of a discussion to me. Saying that Allah is the one true God is part of the Shahada: how a person becomes a Muslim. To say that Muslims have more faith than Christians, if not in a discussion, is wrong. If that was reversed and they said that Christians have more faith than Muslims, you can bet there would be a huge outcry in the press. Saying that Allah is the one true God violates Christianity. Never the less it is true that Muslims say that they worship the same God as Christians and the Jews - something Cody has been told before. And some Jews and Christians accept this.
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Post by maya55555 on Oct 10, 2019 17:48:29 GMT
Tell me why are they pushing an Islamic agenda? Tell me why you are such a gullible moron first. After you tell me why you are a talking turd.
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Post by Isapop on Oct 10, 2019 18:07:35 GMT
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your answer. Could you put it in plain unambiguous terms for simple folk like me? We go to post secondary school to train for careers, do we not. At post secondary schools (both college & university levels), there are a wide, wide variety of career choices. If satanism should be a religious choice in the public spectrum, then so should criminal activities be in the public spectrum, in the education industry. Your own negative opinion of a religion (whether it's the Church Of Satan or some other) couldn't keep it out of a prayer rotation when the state is not allowed to favor one religion over another. Better for the public schools to just dispense with the organized prayers altogether, and leave praying a private matter.
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Post by clusium on Oct 10, 2019 18:41:20 GMT
We go to post secondary school to train for careers, do we not. At post secondary schools (both college & university levels), there are a wide, wide variety of career choices. If satanism should be a religious choice in the public spectrum, then so should criminal activities be in the public spectrum, in the education industry. Your own negative opinion of a religion (whether it's the Church Of Satan or some other) couldn't keep it out of a prayer rotation when the state is not allowed to favor one religion over another. Better for the public schools to just dispense with the organized prayers altogether, and leave praying a private matter. That's what they do today (at least here in the GTA).
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Post by general313 on Oct 10, 2019 18:49:35 GMT
So you don’t see it as a problem for a Christian to be obligated to recite the Islamic declaration of faith which endorses a distinct false pagan god and an antichrist false prophet who denied the death, burial and resurrection of Christ? Granted it was odd to suggest that Muslims had more faith if that version is accurate, but the error was not life altering in any way. If fervency is an indicator of strength of faith, it's not unreasonable to assume that Muslims have more of it, at least these days. It's pretty hard to find a Christian willing to blow themselves up for their cause.
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