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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 16, 2017 19:31:18 GMT
The comments by General Wesley Clark at the end of the video reveal that the destabilization of the Middle East didn't just happen on its own. It was planned.  |
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 17, 2017 1:36:07 GMT
The comments by General Wesley Clark at the end of the video reveal that the destabilization of the Middle East didn't just happen on its own. It was planned. Didn't watch the whole video, but watched enough of it to know that the author has a lot of his "facts" wrong. 1) The Air Base in Qatar cost way more than "a billion dollars" in construction and associated assets. But the US didn't "build it", the Qataris did! And it's not a US base, it's owned by the Qatari Air Force. And the US Central Command didn't move there until 2003, not 2000. Before then, it was a tent city, not a real base. And it was done partially at the request of the Emir of Qatar Sheikh Hama (a more moderate ally), not because we just unilaterally decided to have a base there to get some oil. We already had a base in Saudi Arabia! 2) The author is correct in that the Bush administration tried to tie in Saddam Hussein with Osama Bin Laden without any credible evidence, however that tie in was not perpetuated by the mainstream media (in fact, it was questioned by it), nor was the media a proponent for Bush or advocating war. So that is one of the most ridiculous things he says. 3) Some of what General Clark says is taken out of context, while the important parts are essentially ignored. He said that the plan originated from the office of the Secretary of Defense (Rumsfeld at the time), but never was that unnamed officer's second hand story validated. His comment that "these people" took control of a policy is never qualified. So we don't even know who Clark is talking about in this video. And by the way, Rumsfeld was fired shortly thereafter! So all his comments really prove is that MAYBE the Bush administration had a plan to invade the middle east for oil (which is something that most people have already suspected for years), and that has largely been bolstered by mainstream media -- completely invalidating the authors point about it. 4) Finally, what "we" did in Syria recently has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that the US right now has a very confused and misguided President who is basically flip-flopping everyday and essentially making it up as he goes along. Suggesting that he is participating in a master plan is to suggest that he is competent enough to know what the plan is in the first place. And that's giving him WAY too much credit! If the state of the US tells us anything at the moment, it's that THERE IS NO PLAN. And that's part of the problem! |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 17, 2017 2:11:46 GMT
If anyone can turn this thread into a political partisan fight, it's our old friend Captain Bryce.  |
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 17, 2017 22:50:38 GMT
If anyone can turn this thread into a political partisan fight, it's our old friend Captain Bryce. Where are the partisan politics here? I didn't say that all of his points were invalid; indeed parts of his argument are actually sound. I'm just correcting some FACTS, and pointing out there there is some context missing. The author of the video made some erroneous statements and drew a couple of faulty conclusions based on misleading or missing information. If you choose to accept everything someone says in a video at face value, by all means do so. For the record, you had no "thread" before I replied!  I thought you posted this video because you wanted to generate discussion concerning the topic. My input is this, YES the destabilization of the Middle East was "planned", but that's not a revelation, it's a known fact when you consider all relevant factors. It was not "planned" merely by one person, one regime, one government, or one ideology, but several conflicting ones simultaneously. In other words, it wasn't just one person, or President, or country that made Middle Eastern plans. And it has certainly not been the consistent master plan required by your conspiracy theory. The plan has been altered, reconsidered, reconstructed, rejected, changed, and adapted into different, newer plans so many times that it's impossible to pin exactly what is happening now onto one mastermind. Nobody could have predicted the state of the world as it looks in 2017 back in 1999. The only medium that was capable of predicting that Donald Trump would become President of the United States is a satirical cartoon called "The Simpsons". And since it is satirical in nature, that "prediction" wouldn't really count as a prediction at all, but rather as a possibility that was so remote and ridiculous, that it could only amount to comedy. |
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