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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 12, 2017 21:44:12 GMT
There was more than one copycat in the film, and Bruce implied that he ran into quite a few of them in the past. What story did the Joker have in the movie? Batman was the one who's perspective we were seeing the movie from, and he had far more screen time than the Joker. It wasn't the Joker or even Dent's story, it was Batman's story. He was the guy we knew the most about. He was the guy who made the important decision at the end of the film. We only saw one though.
It's nominally Batman's story, but Joker and Dent are the focus of the plot. All Batman did was react to them instead of being proactive.
Of course, this is how it goes in the comics too. DC's heroes have always been more reactive than proactive.
We saw others near the beginning as well. You've pretty much been repeating the same thing. All heroes are reactive. That's usually how it works. The bad guys do something bad, and the heroes try to stop them. It's like that for Marvel heroes too.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 12, 2017 21:47:34 GMT
No, with the MCU the heroes tend to be more proactive and doing stuff with the villains usually being a reaction to them. It's why it got critiqued for "causing damage", because they're actually proactive.
A proactive Batman would be doing stuff like digging up dirt on Corrupt Cops to force them out of the GCPD, funding better prisons, conflicting more with Gordon and Alfred, etc.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 12, 2017 22:42:57 GMT
He was going after the mob in the Nolan films. That was his reason for becoming Batman. He also conflicted with Alfred several times throughout the movies.
You're also not really giving any real examples of this so called "pro-activeness" from the MCU heroes. They mostly just stop whatever evil plan the bad guys are up to.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 13, 2017 3:21:35 GMT
He was going after the mob in the Nolan films. That was his reason for becoming Batman. He also conflicted with Alfred several times throughout the movies. You're also not really giving any real examples of this so called "pro-activeness" from the MCU heroes. They mostly just stop whatever evil plan the bad guys are up to. A few minor disagreements aren't conflict, he's never had significant conflict with Alfred or Gordon. And his attempts at fighting the mob weren't doing much, real progress wasn't made until Dent entered the scene in TDK. By contrast, you see stuff int he MCU like Thor proactively going after his enemies, Tony always proactively working on new tech or thumbing his nose whenever anyone like the Government gets in his way, Steve disobeying orders to proactively get his people back in First Avenger or refusing to go along with SHIELD's plans in Winter Soldier, etc. Sure, being proactive causes problems but it's better than sitting around and letting the villain steal the show.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 13, 2017 4:24:26 GMT
He had a pretty major conflict with Alfred in TDKR. Also, like Tony, he too regularly improved his gadgets. Why do you think he had a more mobile suit in TDK? Aside from that, he also regularly went after members of the mob in those films, and he interrogated several people, such as Flass (a dirty cop). Sounds pretty proactive to me.
He wasn't being upstaged by the villains either. Just because someone like the Joker is considered a more memorable character, doesn't mean that the films wasn't about Bruce Wayne/Batman.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 13, 2017 12:30:24 GMT
He had a pretty major conflict with Alfred in TDKR. Also, like Tony, he too regularly improved his gadgets. Why do you think he had a more mobile suit in TDK? Aside from that, he also regularly went after members of the mob in those films, and he interrogated several people, such as Flass (a dirty cop). Sounds pretty proactive to me. He wasn't being upstaged by the villains either. Just because someone like the Joker is considered a more memorable character, doesn't mean that the films wasn't about Bruce Wayne/Batman. That came too little, too late. Plus Alfred just left, meaning nothing came of it. Yes, if the audience leaves thinking more about Joker than Batman then the writer didn't think Wayne was worth being the lead and made someone else the focus of the movie.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 13, 2017 17:01:28 GMT
Bruce was the focus of the movie. Again, he had far more screen time than the Joker, and the film focused on his own struggles. The Joker wasn't the focus at all. Just saying that he is over and over again doesn't suddenly make it true.
By your logic, Loki must've been the true focus of the Thor movies, since he's often considered a more interesting character than Thor himself. While we're at it, I guess Darth Vader must've been the main focus of the original Star Wars trilogy, since he was the most iconic character in those films...
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 13, 2017 17:41:45 GMT
Bruce was the focus of the movie. Again, he had far more screen time than the Joker, and the film focused on his own struggles. The Joker wasn't the focus at all. Just saying that he is over and over again doesn't suddenly make it true. By your logic, Loki must've been the true focus of the Thor movies, since he's often considered a more interesting character than Thor himself. While we're at it, I guess Darth Vader must've been the main focus of the original Star Wars trilogy, since he was the most iconic character in those films... Screen time doesn't count for much if it's all about how he's merely reacting rather than acting. Yes, Luke isn't a very interesting protagonist in Star Wars and Vader stands out more. And Loki to an extent too but at least they TRY to make Thor proactive.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 18:08:17 GMT
Bruce was the focus of the movie. Again, he had far more screen time than the Joker, and the film focused on his own struggles. The Joker wasn't the focus at all. Just saying that he is over and over again doesn't suddenly make it true. By your logic, Loki must've been the true focus of the Thor movies, since he's often considered a more interesting character than Thor himself. While we're at it, I guess Darth Vader must've been the main focus of the original Star Wars trilogy, since he was the most iconic character in those films... In the case of Thor and Loki, it's all down to their actors. Hemsworth is a GOOD actor with a lot of charm and charisma, but Hiddleston is an EXCELLENT actor with barrels and barrels of the stuff.
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Post by scabab on Mar 14, 2017 19:01:45 GMT
Apparently this is supposed to be shit. Finn Jones even tried to blame Trump for it...how pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 19:31:18 GMT
Holy thread derailing batman!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 19:33:04 GMT
It's a trap!
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 14, 2017 20:30:29 GMT
Yeah Finn Jones should have kept his mouth shut. I know he was just trying to defend his show, but he's starting to come off as a jackass. I'm still going to give the show a shot, despite all the bullshit.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2017 21:49:35 GMT
Well, we need to see it before Defenders starts. So I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 15, 2017 3:06:24 GMT
I have a question, this whole iron fist series reception, do you think it's getting negative reviews because it's actually piss poor or because danny isn't Asian.
because reviews have stated that the show is dull and aimless, that rand should have been Asian, or simply both.
also do you think it's too early to make proper comments regarding the reception, picking camps before watching the series?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 15, 2017 5:52:41 GMT
Given that Doctor Strange also involved a white guy traveling to an Asian country and adopting Eastern philosophies and teachings, in addition to having garnered significant controversy for casting Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One, the argument that critics hate Iron Fist because they're "SJWs" (God I hate that term), doesn't hold a whole lot of merit.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 15, 2017 13:13:57 GMT
I have a question, this whole iron fist series reception, do you think it's getting negative reviews because it's actually piss poor or because danny isn't Asian. because reviews have stated that the show is dull and aimless, that rand should have been Asian, or simply both. also do you think it's too early to make proper comments regarding the reception, picking camps before watching the series? From what I've read from the early reviews the 6 out of 13 episodes are mostly boring, but supposedly pick up at the end of 6. There was a review from someone who saw 8 episodes and said episode 7 and 8 were good episodes. So it's possible the show has a terrible start, but picks up later in the season, kinda like Agents of shield season one. As for the race issue, im sure it might be a reason for some of the reviewers to hate it, but im assuming that their just virtue signalling. I mean if the show has the issues their claiming, than i doubt a race swap would make it better. But we'll find out for ourselves come friday.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 15, 2017 13:43:34 GMT
So basically it's the opposite of the usual Netflix Marvel thing, instead of fizzling out at the end with a strong start it starts off weak and gets better?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 16, 2017 19:40:13 GMT
Thoughts on the clip? His delivery of "I am the weapon" felt weak.
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Post by Jesse Custer on Mar 16, 2017 19:56:52 GMT
I can not wait, to see the Show. I dont care what stupid critics say, they doesnt have no idea what they talking about. And people who cry here about whitewashing, are dumb as hell, and should read an IF comic.
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