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Post by ck100 on Oct 19, 2019 18:00:52 GMT
www.yahoo.com/news/coppola-backs-scorsese-row-over-marvel-films-173112180.htmlFrancis Ford Coppola jumped into a controversy over the Marvel superhero movies Saturday, not just backing fellow director Martin Scorsese's critique of the films but denouncing them as "despicable". Earlier this month Scorsese, director of classics such as "Taxi Driver" and "Goodfellas", described the Marvel universe films as more theme parks than cinema, even if they were well made. His remarks made waves across social media for days, as fans of his work and the Marvel hits such as the Avengers films, argued the merits. But Coppola, speaking to journalists in the French city of Lyon, where he has just been awarded the Prix Lumiere for his contribution to cinema, backed his fellow Italian-American Scorsese. "When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he's right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration. "I don't know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over and over again," the 80-year-old filmmaker said. "Martin was kind when he said it's not cinema. He didn't say it's despicable, which I just say it is." Coppola also said he was working on his biggest project yet: "Megalopolis", a film about a utopia, a project he has nurtured for two decades. "I wanted to make a film about a human expression of what really is heaven on earth. "I would say it's the most ambitious film (I've worked on) -- more than 'Apocalypse Now'. That's the problem," he added. "Apocalypse Now", his 1979 war epic starring Martin Sheen and Marlon Brando, is notorious for the vast amount of time and money it ate up during production. "I think it would cost more than 'Apocalypse Now'," said Coppola. "It would be the biggest budget I ever had to work with." Coppola, the director of the "Godfather" films, joins an illustrious list of film-makers and actors to have received the Prix Lumiere, including Scorsese, Pedro Almodovar and Milos Forman.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Oct 19, 2019 18:05:54 GMT
Despicable? Lighten up, Francis.
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Post by Caesium137 on Oct 19, 2019 19:01:28 GMT
He is entitled to his opinion.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Oct 19, 2019 19:02:25 GMT
That’s pretty harsh.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 19, 2019 19:02:26 GMT
As despicable as “Jack” (1996)?
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Post by 博:Dr.BLΔD€:锯 on Oct 19, 2019 19:03:47 GMT
"When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he's right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration."
Just a small point regarding the pompous bores that Coppola and Scorcese are becoming or perhaps have always been.....fine filmmakers that they undoubtedly are.
I am just wondering what we have 'learned', 'gained', been 'enlightened' by, received 'knowledge' from and been 'inspired'' from:
Godfather
Apocalypse Now
Goodfellas
Godfather part 3
Gangs of New York
Taxi Driver
Ca$ino
Cotton Club
The Irishman
Cape Fear
Godfather Part 2
Raging Bull
Mean Streets
I know that there are some other strings to their bows....and Some great films there. Showing us that gangsters are cool, crime and stylish violence pays, crime and stylish violence doesn't pay....and gangsters are still cool.
I feel so enlightened.
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Post by ck100 on Oct 19, 2019 20:29:35 GMT
Not every film has to be enlightening, inspiring, knowledgeable, etc. Sometimes we just want to watch a dirty movie or see Charles Bronson blow away street trash.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 19, 2019 20:40:05 GMT
Not every film has to be enlightening, inspiring, knowledgeable, etc. Sometimes we just want to watch a dirty movie or see Charles Bronson blow away street trash. This is the problem with their critique. They are the wrong people to do it. Ask Verhoeven or McTiernan how they rate the MCU films. They did action films so their opinion matters more.
Scorsese and Coppola are like wine makers complaining that bad quality beer is getting the shelf space. Wrong experts to ask.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 19, 2019 20:51:08 GMT
Only quote I could find by Verhoeven:
“I’m not positive about the further development of all [this] science-fiction stuff,” Verhoeven said. “I have a feeling that everything has been said and done and I think we should go back to a bit more normality. All these big superheroes and whatever, I don’t know what dream this is of the United States, but I feel that we lost contact completely with normal people, and that the story of us is more interesting than that of a superhero.”
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 19, 2019 21:02:57 GMT
Neither Verhoeven or McTiernan focus on the technical aspects: collider.com/captain-america-john-mctiernan-criticism-die-hard/“All they’re making are comic book adaptations. There’s action but no human beings, they’re films made by fascists. They’re making all the kids in the world think that they’ll never be important enough to have a film made about their life. And it’s a unique moment in the history of cinema, it didn’t used to be like this. A kid used to be able to learn how a man or a woman should act by watching films. Morals. Comics make heroes for businesses”. LOL @ the fascist claim. The closest thing to a fascist superhero would be the Adventures of Captain Marvel 1941 in which the moral of the story is that people of different tribes are made to fight each other by sinister manipulators hiding behind the scenes and stirring them to fight. Superheroes in the corporate era are not nationalistic at all. Captain America is a globalist. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 19, 2019 23:39:30 GMT
Of course, their good friend George is what set Hollywood on this path with Star Wars and Franky even inspired the character Han Solo.
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 20, 2019 0:12:39 GMT
Of course, their good friend George is what set Hollywood on this path with Star Wars and Franky even inspired the character Han Solo. Star Wars 1977 was nominated for Best Picture, no MCU movie ever has or ever will.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 20, 2019 0:29:42 GMT
Of course, their good friend George is what set Hollywood on this path with Star Wars and Franky even inspired the character Han Solo. Star Wars 1977 was nominated for Best Picture, no MCU movie ever has or ever will.  oscar.go.com/nominees |
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Post by politicidal on Oct 20, 2019 0:34:27 GMT
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Post by janntosh on Oct 20, 2019 0:36:09 GMT
One of the most underserved nominees ever or what. Infinity War should have been nominated instead |
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 20, 2019 0:48:01 GMT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
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Post by petrolino on Oct 20, 2019 0:55:15 GMT
My problem with Marvel is the conveyor belt. It's like with genre sequels - the best ones tend to be made by the original maker, an artist, or somebody with a real feel for genre. You can't go from Steven Spielberg to Colin Trevorrow and expect invigorating results. I watched a documentary that suggested Marvel seek to hire capable "yes" men who will turn out technically proficient product on time and on budget. And I think much of the Marvel audience is there for the story arc, like watching their favourite tv shows. My sister hardly goes to the cinema anymore, but she does regularly turn out for Marvel (she's a comics fan) and she told me she found 'Avengers : Infinity War' mind-blowingly brilliant (she said it earned a standing ovation at the screening she attended).
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 20, 2019 0:56:54 GMT
What Scorsese and Coppola seem to ignore or not care about, is that there is room for every type of movie.
I have a feeling that it is mostly because they have made it hard for better more thoughtful and artistic films to get made and that "theme park" movies are taking over and suffocating movies that are smaller and more intelligent.
I agree to an extent that the MCU/Disney and comic book films in general have set a bad precedent.
I am not going to pretend I don't enjoy these kinds of movies, but I would give them up in a second for more artistic and thought-provoking films.
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Post by janntosh on Oct 20, 2019 1:05:09 GMT
While they are being somewhat elitist hope this causes some people to reflect and realize the MCU isn’t all that great. Sure they make some really good films, but are you going to sit here and tell me movies like Doctor Strange or Captain Marvel
Or Ant Man 2 are great movies? lol
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Post by vegalyra on Oct 20, 2019 2:01:27 GMT
I'm not a fan of these films but the money they generate hopefully allows for smaller productions to get greenlit. There are films for everyone.
In the 1940s, for every Citizen Kane there were probably 100 Westerns being made.
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