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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 17, 2017 8:05:03 GMT
I'm not too bad when it comes to ingenious ways that humans have developed to knock off the enemy, but in this case I will defer to the expert.  ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/grand-slam-v-moab.46604/page-3The MOAB is so big that no bomber can carry it, so it has to be dropped from a cargo plane, yet in WWII the British seem to have had a heavier bomb called the Grand Slam which could easily be dropped from a Lancaster bomber. I have difficulty explaining this. Can Americans not duplicate something that was done by British people all those years ago? Or have they just found a more efficient method to croak the enemy while avoiding the nuclear option which might lead to retaliation in kind? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 12:14:48 GMT
You may have noticed that there aren't too many heavy bomber types around today. The biggest in service is a design that dates back over 60 years.
Lancasters couldn't fit Grand Slams into their bomb bays. They had to carry them sticking out :
Not so bad when you're in a propellor plane that does 200 mph. But not something you want to do in a B-52 that does 520 mph.
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Post by progressiveelement on Apr 17, 2017 13:37:50 GMT
B-29s could carry the US version of the Grand Slam.
A larger weapon required modifications, even a redesign of the B-36.
Bombing missions now are usually carried out by fighter bombers/strike aircraft. The USA's biggest bomber, B-52, has mostly been a cruise missile platform in later years. Obviously, it isn't capable of carrying the MOAB. The only other dedicated bombers still around are the B-1B, B-2, and in Russia, Bears, Backfires and Blackjacks.
The MOAB's predecessor, the Daisy Cutter, was also deployed by C-130s.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 17, 2017 17:16:50 GMT
You may have noticed that there aren't too many heavy bomber types around today. The biggest in service is a design that dates back over 60 years. Lancasters couldn't fit Grand Slams into their bomb bays. They had to carry them sticking out : Not so bad when you're in a propellor plane that does 200 mph. But not something you want to do in a B-52 that does 520 mph. Doesn't the C-130 fly even slower than the B-52?  EDIT -- Okay, I see what you mean now. I thought you meant that the slower speed would be a liability. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 17, 2017 17:19:07 GMT
B-29s could carry the US version of the Grand Slam. A larger weapon required modifications, even a redesign of the B-36. Bombing missions now are usually carried out by fighter bombers/strike aircraft. The USA's biggest bomber, B-52, has mostly been a cruise missile platform in later years. Obviously, it isn't capable of carrying the MOAB. The only other dedicated bombers still around are the B-1B, B-2, and in Russia, Bears, Backfires and Blackjacks. The MOAB's predecessor, the Daisy Cutter, was also deployed by C-130s. Thanks. I am guessing the B-52 could handle the weight but not the size, yes? |
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Post by progressiveelement on Apr 17, 2017 17:41:40 GMT
B-29s could carry the US version of the Grand Slam. A larger weapon required modifications, even a redesign of the B-36. Bombing missions now are usually carried out by fighter bombers/strike aircraft. The USA's biggest bomber, B-52, has mostly been a cruise missile platform in later years. Obviously, it isn't capable of carrying the MOAB. The only other dedicated bombers still around are the B-1B, B-2, and in Russia, Bears, Backfires and Blackjacks. The MOAB's predecessor, the Daisy Cutter, was also deployed by C-130s. Thanks. I am guessing the B-52 could handle the weight but not the size, yes? Yeah, it could carry it without difficulty. However, it was designed specifically to be dropped by a Hercules. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 22, 2017 7:15:52 GMT
Thanks. I am guessing the B-52 could handle the weight but not the size, yes? Yeah, it could carry it without difficulty. However, it was designed specifically to be dropped by a Hercules. Maybe you can tell me how much the damn thing costs. This chap was unable to find it. He pronounced it like MOBE. I've always heard it pronounced MO-AB. You know, like the Land of Moab in the Bible. Never mind. I'm digressing. If I remember correctly, the seismic bomb, or earthquake bomb was invented in WWII by Wallis Barnes, who designed the bombs that 617 Squadron used to take out the Ruhr Valley dams and the battleship Tirpitz. One of the comments on YouTube was from someone who said that he regularly checks a seismic website, and there was nothing from Afghanistan on the day that MOAB was reportedly dropped. Apologies to the ladies on the board. What can I say? Guys like bombs. So, how do we know that MOAB was dropped? Simple. Because the mainstream news said it was. That's all. They reported it, and it's incontrovertible. Yet, no one seems to know how much it cost. The cost of the Tomahawk cruise missiles that were stupidly launched against Syria was quickly tabulated. Does anyone know how much one MOAB costs? |
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Post by progressiveelement on Apr 22, 2017 15:50:26 GMT
Yeah, it could carry it without difficulty. However, it was designed specifically to be dropped by a Hercules. Maybe you can tell me how much the damn thing costs. This chap was unable to find it. He pronounced it like MOBE. I've always heard it pronounced MO-AB. You know, like the Land of Moab in the Bible. Never mind. I'm digressing. If I remember correctly, the seismic bomb, or earthquake bomb was invented in WWII by Wallis Barnes, who designed the bombs that 617 Squadron used to take out the Ruhr Valley dams and the battleship Tirpitz. One of the comments on YouTube was from someone who said that he regularly checks a seismic website, and there was nothing from Afghanistan on the day that MOAB was reportedly dropped. Apologies to the ladies on the board. What can I say? Guys like bombs. So, how do we know that MOAB was dropped? Simple. Because the mainstream news said it was. That's all. They reported it, and it's incontrovertible. Yet, no one seems to know how much it cost. The cost of the Tomahawk cruise missiles that were stupidly launched against Syria was quickly tabulated. Does anyone know how much one MOAB costs? $170,000 per bomb 😎 |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 23, 2017 0:41:35 GMT
Maybe you can tell me how much the damn thing costs. This chap was unable to find it. He pronounced it like MOBE. I've always heard it pronounced MO-AB. You know, like the Land of Moab in the Bible. Never mind. I'm digressing. If I remember correctly, the seismic bomb, or earthquake bomb was invented in WWII by Wallis Barnes, who designed the bombs that 617 Squadron used to take out the Ruhr Valley dams and the battleship Tirpitz. One of the comments on YouTube was from someone who said that he regularly checks a seismic website, and there was nothing from Afghanistan on the day that MOAB was reportedly dropped. Apologies to the ladies on the board. What can I say? Guys like bombs. So, how do we know that MOAB was dropped? Simple. Because the mainstream news said it was. That's all. They reported it, and it's incontrovertible. Yet, no one seems to know how much it cost. The cost of the Tomahawk cruise missiles that were stupidly launched against Syria was quickly tabulated. Does anyone know how much one MOAB costs? $170,000 per bomb 😎 That's a more realistic figure than the earlier ones. |
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Post by Jonesy1 on Apr 23, 2017 2:07:42 GMT
Yeah, it could carry it without difficulty. However, it was designed specifically to be dropped by a Hercules. Maybe you can tell me how much the damn thing costs. This chap was unable to find One of the comments on YouTube was from someone who said that he regularly checks a seismic website, and there was nothing from Afghanistan on the day that MOAB was reportedly dropped. Well the AB in MOAB stands for 'Air Burst', that would explain the lack of seismic readings. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 23, 2017 2:11:52 GMT
Maybe you can tell me how much the damn thing costs. This chap was unable to find One of the comments on YouTube was from someone who said that he regularly checks a seismic website, and there was nothing from Afghanistan on the day that MOAB was reportedly dropped. Well the AB in MOAB stands for 'Air Burst', that would explain the lack of seismic readings. Yes, perhaps so, which wouldn't make it the best bomb for knocking off people in tunnels and caves. |
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