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Post by politicidal on Oct 31, 2019 15:36:21 GMT
I agree. Sometimes, a villain can make or break a movie. I understand Shane Black was highlighting that people think of terrorists as foreigners when they can actually be average people like you and me, but instead we get another run-of-the-mill CEO villain. I would have settled for a politically correct but somewhat faithful rendition of the Mandarin. Which ironically I thought they nailed it for the Kingsley version. He's a terrorist. The IM movies already had terrorists so it's not a huge PC deal. I definitely would had preferred that to Guy Pearce whom I do like when he's playing villains. But as you said, we saw this type of character before.
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 31, 2019 15:46:53 GMT
I agree. Sometimes, a villain can make or break a movie. I understand Shane Black was highlighting that people think of terrorists as foreigners when they can actually be average people like you and me, but instead we get another run-of-the-mill CEO villain. I would have settled for a politically correct but somewhat faithful rendition of the Mandarin. Which ironically I thought they nailed it for the Kingsley version. He's a terrorist. The IM movies already had terrorists so it's not a huge PC deal. I definitely would had preferred that to Guy Pearce whom I do like when he's playing villains. But as you said, we saw this type of character before. What's interesting is that the trailer acted as part of the movie experience for us. Based on the trailer, we were led to believe as well that Ben Kingsley's character was the Mandarin.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 31, 2019 15:51:23 GMT
I loved it. The Real Mandarin is a racist cliché, and the character as advertised was (as many people pointed out when the trailer was first released) a TDK Joker knockoff. Turning him into a clown and a distraction was a bold but clever choice in my book.
Killian is one of the best MCU villains if you actually listen to any of his dialog. He wasn't just mad that Tony stood him up, he wanted to prove his ideas were superior to the guy who dismissed him so casually. During the final fight, he mocks Tony for being a scared man in a clunky suit while extremis has made Killian into a living weapon. He used fear on both ends of the political spectrum to fool everyone and further his own ends, which are purely misinformation for its own sake that he gets to profit from. He's trolling the world and achieving his life/career goals with his technology at the same time.
I can't convince anyone it's a good movie, you either like the story or you don't. But the Mandarin twist and Killian's motivation both receive far too much criticism in my view.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 31, 2019 16:25:48 GMT
And the twist basically revealing "Hey guess what? Iron Man has another CEO villain. Cool."Get rid of Aldrich Killian and make Ben Kingsley's Mandarin the legit villain and it would be one of the best MCU films. Yep. I hated that the second Killian became the main villain. And especially because Ben Kingsley was absolutely killing it as the Mandarin. He was creepy, charismatic, and seemed like a legitimate threat. Not to mention, the whole theme of the past coming back to bite you in the ass would've worked so much better if the reason the Mandarin became such an infamous terrorist was because of the power vacuum Tony created in the first Ironman when the took out a bunch of 10 Rings members. That's much better and actually connects with the audience more than "Tony left some nerd we've never seen before on some rooftop before the MCU even got started."
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 5, 2019 11:12:58 GMT
I only watched IM3 once and I remember I really digging Ben Kingsley as the villain and then that twist happened and basically didn't care that much about it afterwards. I think it's the worst movie of the IM trilogy.
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